Dodezielen said, in reply to this post“If they’re free to pick a different job, I wonder why I so often see creepy men in fancy cars driving past to check up on the women ‘on display’.
Living next to a street with regulated prostitution, I hear people joke all the time; probably so they don’t have to give the matter any actual thought.“

Probably. :/

But goodness gracious me, how do you deal with living there? I only pass a ‘tippelzone’ when I travel to my uni and it makes me so uncomfortable (and I only have to go to my university once a month). You must also get a lot of jokes from people about ‘how handy’ you’re located. :/

For non-Dutch people: a tippelzone is a particular street or outside area that has been appointed by the city or government to be legal for prostitution. Men can drive their car through the street and pick a woman, then that woman gets in the car and they drive to wherever to do whatever. Outside prostitution in other streets/areas is illegal.

The Tour de France passed through the city in which my uni is located. Normally the tippelzone has one regular, white street sign that says ‘tippelzone starts here’. Now they put up an extra, bright yellow street sign with ‘TIPPELZONE OVER THERE’ on the main road (to alert all the bicycle-tourists, I think). What.

So, today I decided to google the tippelzone, and I found an English website for sex tourism to the Netherlands, explaining all red light areas, tippelzones, brothels etc. The one I pass monthly was on it as well. It was described as a very humane area: there is a small reception room nearby where prostitutes can get coffee and even orange juice! And they can ask a person questions there about ‘condoms or things like motherhood’! And they get decent pay, the catalogue says: ‘blowjob + fucking (incl. condom) = 35 euros’! Wow! Privileged!

Now let’s get to business. I pass this area on my way to uni. Everyone should get a chance at uni. Will these people ever get a chance at uni?

A regular BSc + MSc = 180 + 60 EC = 240 ECs. 240 x minimum legal price for an EC = +/- 15.5K. Add half a K for travel expenses, maybe some extra books, a certain computer program. To get your MSc at my uni = +/- 16K.

These women get on average 35 euros for every “blowjob + fucking (incl. condom)” they give. This means that they would have to give 457 blowjobs and would have to have sex 457 times to ever reach my uni. 

That’s 914 sexual acts performed, to go to uni. Living expenses like a roof and food and health care excluded. Just to get a diploma. 

Endure 914 sexual acts. 

On the streets and in cars. In a very ‘humane’ situation.

For a MSc.




Originally posted by crimsonlippedbeast

But fortunately it’s a humane area and everyone in this country gets a chance at humane treatment and a bright future and dreams are made of sparkles and if you follow the rainbow there will be cake. :)

Then there’s Max with some of the permanent scars this crazy world has given him. His damaged knee and huge tattoo.This reminds me, even though the Mad Max franchise had a huge influence on post apocalyptic movies and inspired lots of copycats, the running theme of men as sexual objects is always left out of other movies. In the first Mad Max we see that men and women are in equal danger of rape, in Mad Max 2 Wez has his boytoy, in Beyond Thunderdome men selling their bodies is so normal people assume Max wants to work in the brothel when he says he has “skills”, and in Fury Road they tattoo “genitals intact” on Max’s back, indicating they put him through some very invasive examinations and probably intended to use him as more than just a bloodbag.

I saw Brittany on the same South Atlanta corner that I had originally met her on months earlier. I always keep an eye open for her because her condition seemed pretty grave the last time we talked. 

Brittany: I don’t got no more stories to tell. It’s self explanatory when you look at me, Goddammit. 

[Yells at man walking by] What the fuck you lookin’ at? You said what? Fuck me? I asked you what you was lookin’ at!

I look more fucked up than I did last time, right?

BW: I think so. The last time we talked, you told me that your face wouldn’t get better because you couldn’t stop drinking.

Brittany: Actually it had gone down cause I had gone and got my antibiotics and was taking them. but me and him [x-boyfriend] got into some shit and this wasn’t healed all the way so it fractured this side. But now he’s in jail cause he shot the motherfucker I was living with three times.

BW: So, he got out of jail after we talked the last time?

Brittany: Yeah, he got out. His mom or somebody paid for his bond. I was only renting a room from the guy I was living with. I seen him coming down the street. When he ran in there, I got away and climbed out the window and went to the bus stop. Later on, I seen it on the news and people called me and told me. It was true. He had shot the man three times. Someone else came in the house and he shot them too.

BW: So, he shot two people and that’s what he’s back in jail for now? And he still hasn’t gone to trial for the shit he did to you?

Brittany: Yeah.

— —- —

I had a sample Hidden South book printed out and laying on the floorboard. Brittany picked it up and started flipping through it. I tell everyone what the pictures and stories will be used for but I knew that seeing the pictures that I took of her, in print, may get a bad reaction. 

Brittany: Damn, you know her [pointing at a picture of another woman from the neighborhood]? You know, that bitch went to jail for murder and got off?

BW: No, I didn’t know that. You’re coming up on the next page.

Brittany: *Turns the page* Why… Why’d you do that? Fuck. Who gets these books? You just picked the ugliest fucking pictures of me.

BW: No I didn’t. That wasn’t my intent at all. You were moving around so much that I couldn’t use most of them. Besides, I love that picture.

Brittany: I want this book.

BW: That book’s just a sample. I’ll bring you a real one when they come out.

Brittany: I might be dead by then.

BW: I hope not.


“Everywhere, prostituted people are overwhelmingly poor, indeed normally destitute. There is no disagreement on this fact. Urgent financial need is the most frequent reason mentioned by people in prostitution for being in the sex trade. Having gotten in because of poverty, almost no one gets out of poverty through prostituting. They are lucky to get out with their lives, given the mortality figures. It is not unusual for the women in the industry to get further into poverty, deeper in debt. … Disproportionately, people in prostitution are members of socially disadvantaged racial groups or lower castes. In Vancouver, prostituted women are First Nations women in numbers that far exceed their proportion of the population. In India, although caste is illegal, there are still prostitute castes. Women members of the Nat caste, for example, are selected to prostitute by men in their families; men of this caste are supposed to prostitute women to higher caste men. As this example suggests, the structure of who is in prostitution often derives from colonialism and persists after it. No one chooses to be born into poverty or to stay in prostitution in order to stay poor. No one chooses the racial group or caste one is born into. No country freely chooses to be colonized or the post-colonial social pathologies that so often organize this industry. These circumstances, from the uncontested evidence of who the prostituted disproportionately are, most powerfully determine who is used in this industry. These circumstances are not chosen by any of them.” - (x, speech script)

Catharine MacKinnon @ Nordiskt Forum
(November 2014)

“Catharine A. MacKinnon is a lawyer, teacher, writer, and activist on sex equality issues domestically and internationally. She is Elizabeth A. Long Professor of Law at the University of Michigan and from 2008-2012 was the first Special Gender Adviser to the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court. Widely published in many languages, her dozen books include Sexual Harassment of Working Women (1979), Feminism Unmodified (1987), Toward a Feminist Theory of the State (1989), Only Words (1993), Women’s Lives, Men’s Laws (2005), Are Women Human? (2006), and her casebook Sex Equality (2001/2007). She conceived sexual abuse as a violation of equality rights, pioneering the legal claim for sexual harassment as sex discrimination in employment and education; with Andrea Dworkin, she recognized the harms of pornography as civil rights violations and proposed the Swedish Model to abolish prostitution. Her approach to equality has been largely accepted in Canada and elsewhere. Representing Bosnian women survivors of Serbian sexual atrocities, she established legal recognition of rape in genocide, winning with co-counsel a $745 million verdict at trial. She works with Equality Now, an international NGO promoting sex equality, and the Coalition Against Trafficking in Women (CATW).” - Catharine A. MacKinnon, Harvard Law School

Cyntoia Brown had a difficult upbringing: she lived in several foster homes before she was adopted by Ellenette Brown. Even though Ellenette provided a generally stable home, Cyntoia had not had sufficient stability in her life for proper emotional development and by 2004 had become a runaway. At the age of 16, she was convicted of manslaughter, after she shot and killed a punter in self-defence. Being forced into prostitution, she was fearful that 43 year old Johnny Allen would kill her, so she shot him, not intending to kill him.

She is currently serving a life sentence, but thousands of supporters have signed petitions to give Cyntoia a fair trial, after she was wrongly tried as an adult.


Should Prostitution Be Legal?

Making it illegal and the prosecutions, and the fact that it is driven underground, and the fact that they can’t call the police is actually making their terrible lives worse.  They problem with this particular example is, unlike a lot of victimless crimes like drugs and libertarian argument of victimless crimes, with prostitution we’re talking about people.  They’re the product and they’re suffering a great deal in a lot of cases.

So, I’m in favor of the legalization of it for a number of reasons.  Number one, there’s the philosophical, highfalutin, up-in-the-clouds, argument that I don’t have the right to tell anyone else what to do, which is a damn good argument.  But there’s also the fact that since it is criminalized it gives people who are in this life no options other than a pimp. They have nothing else.  It would be nice to think they could at the very least have the option to call the police.  To have the option to make a complaint.  The option to press charges.

Drake’s human trafficking buddy is out of jail.

Last year, Travis Savoury aka Baka aka Not Nice was charged with six crimes in connection to human trafficking after a 22-year-old woman was forced into prostitution and then made to hand over all of her money.

Baka just gout of jail and Drake is really excited about it.

I totally understand being happy your friend is coming out of lockup, but y’all Drake was out here talmbout declaring a holiday for when Baka gets out and that is just tacky and gross on all levels.

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