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I hate to break it to those of you that are advocating sea pens, but they can also be detrimental to the health of the killer whales currently in captivity. These animals haven’t been in the ocean and as such their immune systems would not be prepared to handle ocean water.

If you support the captivity of whales and dolphins and porpoises for the purpose of human entertainment, I have a question for you.

How can you not know? Especially those of you who frequently visit marine parks and regularly participate in the interaction programs, camps, etc. I know you love those animals and you spend so much time with them and you enjoy every minute of it. I did too. But how can you not know that there is a better life for those animals, how can you not know that they deserve better?

Or alternatively, how can you know and still not care?

Ten questions for pro caps.

Because I’m genuinely curious and cannot understand your point of view. I would like to get some honest answers, if anyone is brave enough. And possibly by the end of it, we can understand one another better.

1. Do you believe SeaWorld should be held accountable for the deaths of  many whales under their care, none of which could be deemed “natural deaths”? If not, why?:

2. Do you believe SeaWorld should have willingly changed its business model decades ago, when they realized the orcas were not thriving? If not, why?:

3. SeaWorld’s orcas suffer from many mental/physical problems as a result of captivity. (Do not dispute this, that is a fact. it isn’t up for debate). Do you believe keeping them on display to “inspire” the public is more important then the welfare of the animals?:

4. Do you believe SeaWorld should have to explain themselves and apologize for telling so many blatant lies to the public? (Again, this fact is not up for debate.) If not, why?:

5. Do you still trust SeaWorld to be transparent and honest, after they have been caught in so many lies? If so, why?:

6. What do you think about a SeaWorld rep saying “You ban them, you buy them” in response to AB2140? Does it bother you that that statement seems to be a direct contradiction to “We couldn’t love these animals more”?:

7. Research has shown orcas are too intelligent, complex, large, and free-ranging to live a quality life in captivity. Captive orcas health seems to reflect that research. Why don’t you believe this?:

8. Why don’t you support a slow phase-out of captivity?:

9. Do you believe SeaWorld has a reputable breeding program? If so, why?:

10. SeaWorld claims to do important research that benefits wild whales. Can you give an example of this?:

You know what sucks? No matter how often you point out that releasing animals that have spent the majority of their lives in captivity will result in their deaths and is essentially a slow form of murder, anticaps still scream “free the whales”.

I really wanted to touch on the fact that orcas, including Kiska, are self-aware and sentient animals. These are not creatures that you can just stick in an empty tank and expect them to be fine.

Kiska was violently ripped from her family in 1979 and has been held at Marineland Canada ever since. According to a former employee, she has never been a strong whale and is constantly on medication. Her condition only worsened after the deaths of all 5 of her calves, the oldest only surviving six years. Kiska has also suffered the loss of every one of her tankmates. She now lives entirely alone, and is the only captive orca in the world without another cetacean companion.
The saddest sight to be seen at Marineland, Kiska’s life consists of swimming listlessly in circles day in and day out. Occasionally, she is given a toy to play with for a few minutes. Former employees have also described Kiska as “starved for attention” and say she vocalizes a lot, as if calling out for someone.
Allowing such a magnificent animal to languish in these conditions is nothing short of abusive.
There is an ongoing campaign to help Kiska, and all you have to do is sign here and spread the word. Please help us help the world’s loneliest orca!

I am looking for an educated pro-cap to answer these questions/provide some insight on the following points, for me.

-My main objection to orca captivity is the relatively small, barren tanks and circus-like performances they’re prompted to do daily (usually with sound at a very high volume.) Do you agree or disagree that these are extremely poor living conditions for these animals? Why or why not?

(Most zoo and aquarium habitats I can think of/have encountered at least somewhat resemble the animal’s natural habitat + have some distinctly “away from the public” spaces for the animals to retreat to at all times, if desired. Those animals are also not expected to perform tricks daily yet still receive appropriate stimulation. This, to me, represents a huge difference between how many zoo animals are kept vs. cetaceans in particular.)

-Orca captivity is not sustainable as-is due to its severe genetic bottleneck – it requires fresh blood in the population, for the same stated reasons that SW and the Georgia Aquarium are trying to import belugas. What are your thoughts on this? Do you find the conditions that Kshamenk and Morgan are being kept in acceptable? (Asking about them in particular because Sea World “endorses” these conditions.)

-Do you find the inbreeding acceptable? Do you find the young ages at which orcas are bred acceptable?

-What are your thoughts on SW potentially doing business with the parks containing the Russian orca?

-What are your thoughts on sea pens?

-What are your thoughts on cetacean rights?

-Which park (not necessarily Seaworld, any orca-keeping facility) do you find to be practicing the best overall husbandry? And the worst? Why?

-For people who are specifically anti-Blackfish, what ‘research’ would you have me do? Caveat: the answer can’t have anything to do with non-cetacean fauna that Seaworld rescues, as that is irrelevant to Blackfish’s message. Please point me to the information that falsifies, debunks, or otherwise runs counter to material presented in Blackfish.

I’m sorry if any of these seem like “traps”, they truly aren’t, I just literally cannot understand where you are coming from and would at least like some insight on these particular points?

Thank you.

anonymous asked:

How can you say your procap when all you do is complain about seaworld and join the free morgan clan. i call you out as a hypocrite, I will be reporting you to seaworld for advocating the free morgan logos on the underwater viewing area. Your a disgrace to the procap community. your more of a anticap using your "sickness" to get to others. its idiots like you that make me angry about people who are true procaps and people like you who say yu are but are nothing but liars!

Oh look, another defensive procap. Probably some teenaged Seaworld groupie with their arse in a corner because they’re realizing how horrid SeaWorld really is.

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Report me to SeaWorld all you want. They can’t do anything, as I am an American citizen and am simply practicing my first amendment rights on a small-scale, peaceful, non-disruptive manner.

Do you realize how many anti-SeaWorld people are allowed into the park each day? All the park (and any other major business) cares about is seeing their profits rise. Doctor Ingrid Visser, one of the world’s foremost orca researchers and founder of the Free Morgan Foundation. recently visited SeaWorld San Diego, where she was able to buy a ticket and got to see Nakai after he wounded his chin:

I therefore decided get on a plane to San Diego to go and see Nakai for myself and to also try and talk to the trainers and find out what had happened. When I was in the park the trainers and security guards were not happy with me trying to photograph Nakai and had me stop photographing from certain points. They obscured other observation points by moving sun umbrellas and outdoor gas heaters in front of viewing spots and they moved Nakai to prevent me taking photos at all. The security guards would not let me talk to the trainers either.

I also cannot take you seriously unless you use proper grammar and syntax, as I have pointed out with anonymous questions so many times before; come off of anon if you’d like to chat some more, if you’re not chicken.

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Thank you and good day!

It must be nice to be an arrogant anticap. As you make your little arguments and ignore my response and then strut around “Meh stop grouping us together meh” but then we explain ourselves and you ignore it and keep reblogging the posts calling us out like you are so great.

I am so fucking frustrated by my posts that are floating around with pouting anticaps and proud anticaps that then ignore my responses and any other responses that show them up. And please ask me for the evidence of these posts because I would love to provide some links, just like I did on my post about freeing Tilikum.