Because I’m genuinely curious and cannot understand your point of view. I would like to get some honest answers, if anyone is brave enough. And possibly by the end of it, we can understand one another better.
1. Do you believe SeaWorld should be held accountable for the deaths of many whales under their care, none of which could be deemed “natural deaths”? If not, why?:
2. Do you believe SeaWorld should have willingly changed its business model decades ago, when they realized the orcas were not thriving? If not, why?:
3. SeaWorld’s orcas suffer from many mental/physical problems as a result of captivity. (Do not dispute this, that is a fact. it isn’t up for debate). Do you believe keeping them on display to “inspire” the public is more important then the welfare of the animals?:
4. Do you believe SeaWorld should have to explain themselves and apologize for telling so many blatant lies to the public? (Again, this fact is not up for debate.) If not, why?:
5. Do you still trust SeaWorld to be transparent and honest, after they have been caught in so many lies? If so, why?:
6. What do you think about a SeaWorld rep saying “You ban them, you buy them” in response to AB2140? Does it bother you that that statement seems to be a direct contradiction to “We couldn’t love these animals more”?:
7. Research has shown orcas are too intelligent, complex, large, and free-ranging to live a quality life in captivity. Captive orcas health seems to reflect that research. Why don’t you believe this?:
8. Why don’t you support a slow phase-out of captivity?:
9. Do you believe SeaWorld has a reputable breeding program? If so, why?:
10. SeaWorld claims to do important research that benefits wild whales. Can you give an example of this?:
I hate to break it to those of you that are advocating sea pens, but they can also be detrimental to the health of the killer whales currently in captivity. These animals haven’t been in the ocean and as such their immune systems would not be prepared to handle ocean water.
tbh the whole thing that seaworld and procaps have about the ocean being a big scary place that orcas won’t survive in makes me laugh because they’re basically inadvertently admitting that captivity destroys orcas
I really wanted to touch on the fact that orcas, including Kiska, are self-aware and sentient animals. These are not creatures that you can just stick in an empty tank and expect them to be fine.
Kiska was violently ripped from her family in 1979 and has been held at Marineland Canada ever since. According to a former employee, she has never been a strong whale and is constantly on medication. Her condition only worsened after the deaths of all 5 of her calves, the oldest only surviving six years. Kiska has also suffered the loss of every one of her tankmates. She now lives entirely alone, and is the only captive orca in the world without another cetacean companion. The saddest sight to be seen at Marineland, Kiska’s life consists of swimming listlessly in circles day in and day out. Occasionally, she is given a toy to play with for a few minutes. Former employees have also described Kiska as “starved for attention” and say she vocalizes a lot, as if calling out for someone. Allowing such a magnificent animal to languish in these conditions is nothing short of abusive. There is an ongoing campaign to help Kiska, and all you have to do is sign here and spread the word. Please help us help the world’s loneliest orca!
And no, I didn’t include anything pre-20 years ago, which I guess is going to discredit this 100% in the eyes of pure anti-caps, but we simply didn’t have the same knowledge of their care 30, 40, 50 years ago as we do now. Same for all “new” animals.
Curious as to public opinion (particularly pro-caps and anti-caps) on whale watching?
I’ve seen a couple things (mainly from this post) on how whale watching tours can be invasive to wild dolphins and whales. I’ve also seen some proposals for whale watching as an alternative to visiting SeaWorld and the like, for people who what to see these animals in person.
Just wondering if people support or oppose whale watching, and in what form (boat tours, swim with, kayak tours, etc.)?
I don’t understand anticaps. Like, clearly I understand their concern. But a bit of research and conversation with people that are actually in the industry, not people that have left for no concrete reason, will show you that these animals are extremely well cared for, loved, and treated like animal royalty.
I’d be lying if I said y'all’s saltiness wasn’t fueling my life force. You were always so sure that the “Blackfish Effect” would never pan out, nothing would ever change, we were just “extremists” who watched one movie and considered ourselves educated - and look at what we accomplished.
The major flaw in the common procap argument is the assumption that all antis are against SeaWorld as a whole. That’s likely why things like rescue program and providing jobs are brought up so often.
The truth is the rescue program and job provision are good things in and of themselves but they are not relevant to the fact that tanks are not suitable environments for cetaceans. Many- if not most- anticaps are against orca/cetacean captivity only, not the whole of SeaWorld.
I think the thing that upsets me the most when captives die is the way people react to it. It’s always “omg the poor trainers! Poor SeaWorld!” Or “omg I’ll never see her again! I’ll never be her trainer!” It’s never “jfc this whale just died way too young of something that was probably related to their living situation and now the rest of their makeshift pod has to adjust to life without this important member”
You can tell that the majority of procaps really are a selfish as we thought when their response to the end of captive breeding is “Being a Shamu trainer was my dream! Why SeaWorld???” And “Now future generations don’t get to see them up close at SeaWorld!”
And then there are those that act like it’s such a travesty that eventually there will be an orca alone like they haven’t ignored Kiska and Kshamenk and Lolita for years.
And then you have the ones that are arguing for how important breeding and raising calves is to their lives. It’s “unnatural” to not let them. Because an unnatural environment, unnatural health issues, unnatural breeding, unnatural behaviors and more is o.k.
It’s about you - it always has been and it always will be.