probably the big bad for the next series

If you ever feel bad about yourself remember that if you were a fictional character people would probably love you for all your flaws and quirks and mannerisms that you probably hate.

anonymous asked:

kylo killed his father in cold blood, how do you see him realistically making reparations for that in the film?

Well, I think you’re looking at a fictional story too literally if you believe these actions are one-to-one related to the real world. They are terrible - for SURE! Kylo Ren, as he is now, is a dumbass and a jerk. No arguments there. But those of us who like his character see a potential for masterful storytelling here. Obviously if this were the real world… I’d be terrified of someone like Kylo. But we are talking about a SPACE OPERA here… not your next-door neighbor.

I think one thing anti-Kylo people do is look at these stories through a real world lens… but that’ just bad story and character analysis. You’re not looking at his characterization as a DEVICE for the plot - and ultimately for the core morals and lessons involved in that overarching plot.


Fairy tales and particularly Star Wars are not tales about perfect people who make all the right choices. It’s about people making mistakes, and learning from those mistakes, to ultimately do the right thing IN THE END. It’s about the central messages and themes we take away from it all. Characters serve a specific purpose - to make us learn things and see things anew. You better bet Kylo has that purpose.


And of course, there is even precedent in the Star Wars universe teaches us that anyone can be saved. Just look at the actions of Darth Vader. His actions were at least - and not limited to -

-turning on the Jedi Order and becoming a literal Sith Lord

-killing dozens and dozens of children in cold blood (far more chilling than two old dudes if you ask me)

-accusing his pregnant wife of cheating with his best friend

-accusing his pregnant wife of being a traitor and committing treason

-Force choking his pregnant wife

-killing his pregnant wife

-trying to kill his best friend, who was his father figure

-mass genocide on a grand, galaxy-wide scale

-kidnapping and torturing his daughter

-killing his own father figure and former best friend - Obi-wan

-kidnapping and torturing his daughter’s boyfriend

-freezing his daughter’s boyfriend in carbonite

-kidnapping and cutting off his son’s hand

-trying to manipulate his son to join the Dark Side

-kidnapping his son and taking him to the most evil man to have ever lived in the galaxy - the Emperor

That’s not even everything but I’m tired already. Vader was busy y’all. Yet Vader was redeemed in the end - through the love of his son.


But beyond that, in the context of Star Wars, Kylo Ren’s actions are bad - but they’re not irredeemable bad. I’m not excusing anything he’s done, and I think his character HAS to suffer dearly for it. And I think he will, in many intimate and personal ways.


But, I gotta say, you’re looking at his action out of context. We have seen much more vicious, unrepenting characters in SW, and that Kylo is already showing guilt and shame is a pretty big tip off he’s headed for redemption. And, also, I think this action - being dramatic and horrific as it was - has to MEAN something, in the greater story. More than just, “KYLO IS EEEEEVIIIIL MWAHAHAHA!!!”

First, if you’re a Han Solo fan, you should want his death to mean something - and that’s was Harrison Ford wanted all along too.

But Han’s death is meaningless if he couldn’t actually save his son - like he went there to do. If Ben Solo doesn’t come back, Han died for nothing.

I think Ben Solo - for the sake of the story - had to kill his father to realize that Snoke is lying to him and manipulating him. JJ himself has confirmed that Kylo didn’t want to kill his father but thought he had to. We don’t know why that is yet… but, he thought it was the only way to further whatever cause (which we the audience have not entirely been made aware of yet - keep that in mind) he is trying to accomplish.

The thing is: JJ confirms it didn’t actually help him get further to the Dark Side. Can you imagine how that’s going to play out in his character?? How his trust with Snoke will be shaken? How his interactions with Rey will inform his character arc from here on out?

Why y’all think he failed his fight so poorly against Rey? You think he’s that bad of a Force user that he can lose to a total n00b?? Nah, he was grief-stricken and horrified at what he’d done - Adam’s excellent acting skills should tell that story, even without JJ’s commentary.

NOT SAYING that makes it ok - but in the CONTEXT of a fictional universe, showing your bad guy grief stricken over a terrible act he’s just committed is a huge sign he is not a big bad. It’s a huge sign he’s going to change.

Kylo realized he fucked up, and Snoke is a liar. Now, he will probably stay in denial for a little bit, but eventually he’ll have to come to terms with this. And I think he’s probably going to want to go after Snoke with a passionate vengence - and ultimately help Rey do that.

And that brings me to the next point. SPOILERS FOR AFTERMATH AND BLOODLINE BELOW.

We know from the Aftermath series that Ben Solo had been manipulated, groomed, and preyed upon by Snoke since he was a FETUS. Now, I want you to imagine that. A FETUS is being touched by the Dark Side IN THE WOMB from this terrible dark energy - which Leia confirms is Snoke in TFA. Again, Kylo is responsible for his decisions, but to say that he cannot learn and grow past a lifetime of abuse and manipulation, that he cannot escape that no matter what he tries to do if he learns his lesson… y’all that is some fucked up thinking, not gonna lie.


Finally, and this is the most important part:

WE DON’T KNOW BEN SOLO’S STORY YET.

WE DON’T KNOW WHY HE IS DOING WHAT HE IS DOING.

We are led to believe he thinks what he is doing is ultimately RIGHT and GOOD.

Again - not excusing his behavior - but if we are to understand Ben Solo, I think we have to understand that he thinks his actions are necessary to save the galaxy. Something has happened to convince him that what he’s doing is the only way.

If you thought killing your father would save the galaxy… wouldn’t you do it? I’m sorry, but I probably would if I thought it would save BILLIONS OR TRILLIONS of people. I would hate myself - as Kylo Ren presumably does. But I would probably do it.

Remember, it’s a war, and even in the real world, family on opposite sides of war kill each other. It’s sad and tragic… but it is even a part of our world. There’s no excuse that can make up for what Kylo did… but I do hope it forces him to stop doing the wrong things and realize his way is NOT going to save people, like he may think he is doing.


And, not only that, but

Han himself knew the sacrifice he was potentially making.

As a father, he wanted to make that sacrifice, no matter the risks. I, for one, don’t want to see his sacrifice go in vain. I’d like to see it be Ben’s turning point back toward the light.



Also, we know from Bloodline that when the New Republic learned of  Leia and Luke being Vader’s children, they went after Leia. She even faced an assassination attempt and openly worries what could happen to Luke and Ben - that someone might go after them.

We don’t know what happened to turn Ben Solo to the Dark Side. We are all assuming he found out about Vader and went batshit crazy and killed a bunch of younglings a la Anakin 2.0.

But we don’t actually KNOW that. Wait for the story! Until we know everything, we are shooting in the dark to assassinate a character we know nothing about!

We also know Rian Johnson helped Claudia Gray write certain aspects of Bloodline - that he gave suggestions to plot points to help inform the audience in preparation for TLJ!

My speculation, based on what I read in Bloodline,  is that someone in the New Republic didn’t like that Vader’s son and grandson were playing around with the Force and targeted them - possibly trying to destroy anything and everything Jedi-related, including people.

A betrayal like this from the New Republic to Ben would be everything - it means his home, his family who lied to him for years, his justice system - ALL OF IT - cannot be trusted.

It would explain why Luke went into hiding, too. Luke is a pacifist who would rather walk away than confront an entire government. Even if the government as a whole didn’t do anything, it’s possible individuals in the New Republic would based on such shocking news. I imagine a significant amount of people would be terrified of Vader’s offspring and descendants furthering their legacy in the Force.

Regardless of speculation, we don’t know Ben Solo’s story yet. Wait for the story, see what happens. And, sure, if by the end of it, Kylo Ren is still running around with clenched fists and ramming his sword into every old man and console that comes along his path…

Sure, then we can say, “that guy is an irredeemable asshole!!!”

But, I for one, think they’re going to build a pretty epic story and the big “twist” for TLJ will be something that changes our opinion of Ben and his actions entirely - to the point that he will be redeemable and sympathetic.

The fact is, I think even most anti-Kylo people will be able to accept his character if he starts making good decisions and gets a well told back story. Let’s trust the almighty Lucasfilm gods to give us a great story that challenges our expectations and assumptions - which THEY ALWAYS do! And I also think Rey is going to be integral to that change and they will NEED each other to figure it all out.

The cast of EVERY SCI FI SHOW EVER

(I write this with love as somebody who watches way too much Sci Fi)

Mr. Leader: Snark™ but also gets all the ladies and can be Extremely Serious when the situation requires it. Probably bad with feelings and if he isn’t actually in charge, he acts like he is.
Examples: James T Kirk(Star Trek), Jack O’Niell(Stargate Sg-1), Cameron Mitchell(Stargate SG-1), John Shepperd(Stargate Atlantis), John Crichton(Farscape), Han Solo(Star Wars), Malcom Reynolds(Firefly), Will Riker(Star Trek Next Generation), Tom Paris(Voyager)

Wise Leader: Sometimes Mr. Leader comes second to Wise Leader who is older and more seasoned. They do not let loose very often but when they do its HILARIOUS.
Examples: Jean-Luc Picard(Star Trek Next Generation), Benjamin Sisco(Deep Space Nine), Katheryn Janeway(Voyager), George Hammond(Stargate Sg-1), Hank Landry(Stargate SG-1), Elizabeth Weir(Stargate SG-1), William Adama(Battlestar Galactica), Laura Roslin(Battlestar Galactica), Leia Organa(Star Wars)

Right Hand Man/Woman: This one is all in the title. Loyal and dedicated backup but will also question the leader if necessary. Serious.
Examples: Chakotay(Voyager), Zoey Washburn(Firefly), Kira Nerys( Deep Space Nine), Saul Tigh(Battlestar Galactica)

HONOOOOOR: In my experience this is often a male person of color, or possibly the only POC if this show took place during the 90s. This is the character who comes from a very war-like society that is all about HONOR and COMBAT. If they don’t come from a society based on that, they have still somehow ended up being the most hypermasculine fight-y type. One word description? Grrr
Examples: Worf from Star Trek Next Generation, Teal’c(Stargate SG-1), Ronan Dex (Stargate Atlantis), D’Argo(Farscape), Aeryn Sun(Farscape), Kara “Starbuck” Thrace(Battlestar Galactica)

Bill Nye the Science Guy: This is the one where I can actually say I’ve seen both men and women play this character! This is the hard science one, who maybe isn’t good with people, kind of an outsider. Sometimes its just a character flaw and sometimes its because they’re a literal robot. This is usually the smartest most grounded character on the show until some alien pollen sends them haywire.
Examples: Spock(Star Trek), Data(Star Trek: Next Generation), Sam Carter(Stargate SG-1), Rodney McKay(Stargate Atlantis), Simon Tam(Firefly), Seven of Nine(Voyager), The Doctor(Voyager), Tuvok(Voyager)

Feelings™: This is the one with all the Feelings AKA the heart of the group. This is the one who just wants to understand everybody and be friends with everybody and/or fix everybody. Sometimes they can be a little bit grumpy about being in this role but they do do it the second they’re called upon by a story to Feel Things.
Examples: Leonard “Bones” McCoy(Star Trek), Deanna Troi(Star Trek Next Generation), Julian Bashir(Deep Space Nine), Daniel Jackson(Stargate SG-1), Teyla Emmagan(Stargate Atlantis), Shepherd Book(Firefly), Zotoh Zhaan(Farscape)

The Kid: This is the young naive innocent who shouldn’t be out here with all these big bad scaries. Should probably go back home to mom and dad if they’re still alive or if home hasn’t been somehow destroyed. Can be either the most adorable or the most annoying character. Might mature into something very different by the end of the series or remain The WORST for 7 SEASONS.
Examples: Wesley Crusher(Star Trek Next Generation), Harry Kim(Voyager), Luke Skywalker(Star Wars), Lee “Apollo” Adama(Battlestar Galactica), Kaylee Fry(Firefly),

The Asshole: There is no I in team but there is in survive. This character is all about self preservation and coming out on top. Gives no fucks about other people’s well being but maybe will a little by the end of the series.
Examples: Jayne Cobb(Firefly), Quark(Voyager), Rygel(Farscape), Gaius Baltar(Battlestar Galactica)

Can you tell I watch a lot of Sci-Fi? Feel free to add your two cents

This  mini series was amazing. The ending a little rushed but overall some of the strongest story driven AT episodes imo. I loved that lsp was still all hot and bothered by Finn. I also liked LSP, a character who really hasn’t done anything with her life,  was the key to saving the day. I like how Normal man was scolding Betty in the end. And i liked ice kings little speech to Betty about being his own person. Also WTF that ending with Jake? On one hand I’m happy Jake’s shape shifting parent seems to be the next story thing, i was afraid that was one they wouldn’t have time for. on the other hand I’m so worried about Jake. What if something bad happens to him? I know they probably wont kill him for obvious reasons, but also a big part of the series has been Finn growing up while Jake gets older Soooooooo????!? Plus AT has gotten away with some pretty dark shit. Like Finn loosing his arm twice, some heavy emotion stuff involving Finn’s parents, and pretty much every Lich episode. Like i said, i don’t think they’d make Jake croak, but there is a little part of me that says they may be gutsy enough to do it. 10/10 mini series. Not as emotional as Islands but every bit as good.

The way that Moffat runs the show, it really only warrants two full watch-throughs.

Like, all of his seasons are anchored on these big reveals, and once you know the reveal, you just watch it one more time to notice foreshadowing, and then that’s it. Once you know the big reveal, it kind of ruins all the buildup on subsequent watches.

Series 5 you have the question of what the cracks are, once you get the ‘final’ answer, there’s no mystery, but the season depends on that mystery.

Series 6 had ‘Who is River Song?’ and ‘Who killed the Doctor?’ and once you get those answers, watch it one more time and the story is uninteresting.

Series 7A had…nothing, really, just showed the Ponds having fun with the Doctor.

Series 7B had the ‘Impossible Girl’ mystery.

Series 8 had Missy (though one of the first guesses people thought of turned out to be true, so it wasn’t much of a mystery), though this one is the most innocent, as it didn’t really matter who Missy was for the season, this one is more like RTD’s way (talked about next).

I much prefer how RTD did it. His series barely ever worried about what was happening in the finale. There were brief mentions, quick references, and that was it.

Series 1 had the Bad Wolf stuff.

Series 2 had the Doctor and Rose constantly talk about how they’ll be together forever, and had them occasionally be torn away from each other briefly before meeting up again, though you’d probably only realize that theme is important after finishing the series.

Series 3 had Harold Saxon mentions.

Series 4 had Rose show up every now and then.

The big mysteries are minute details throughout the series, as opposed to things that are constantly beaten into your head for how important they are. They’re just there, and make you think a little as to why it showed up all the time. I much prefer that way.

Let’s not have mystery novels that are spoiled when you know the ending.

Let’s have other novels that just have a bit of foreshadowing here and there.

“My name is not Mara Dyer, but my lawyer told me I had to choose something. A pseudonym. A nom de plume, for all of us studying for the SATs. I know that having a fake name is strange, but trust me—it’s the most normal thing about my life right now. Even telling you this much probably isn’t smart. But without my big mouth, no one would know that a seventeen-year-old who likes Death Cab for Cutie was responsible for the murders. No one would know that somewhere out there is a B student with a body count. And it’s important that you know, so you’re not next.”