pro choicer

It really irks me when people dehumanize pregnant people and/or the embryo/fetus

I see the former mostly from pro-lifers, who compare pregnant people to houses, cars, life support machines, incubators, or other inanimate objects or locations

And the latter from my fellow pro-choicers, who say an embryo/fetus is “not actually human” or “isn’t human yet” or some variant

Pregnant people and the embryo/fetus are human. To say otherwise is disingenuous.

how choice-splaining works
  • pro-life woman: when i had a high risk pregnancy that could have killed me, no one was supportive of my refusal to abort and my doctors were cold to me
  • pro-life woman: i got pregnant in high school, and every one treated me like a dropout even though i worked hard to graduate
  • pro-life woman: no one told me about where i could get access to baby supplies, only where the closest PP was
  • pro-life woman: my doctor pressured me to abort when my unborn child was diagnosed with DS and i had a hard time finding a supportive OB/GYN
  • pro-life woman: i had to fight for my Title IX rights when i had a baby and my professor wouldn't let me redo a test i missed due to labor
  • pro-life woman: i really think abortion has negatively affected women's welfare for these reasons
  • pro-choicer: ummm actually, abortion has nothing to do with those things and pro-choicers care about other stuff besides abortion too????? so shut up :)

one of my biggest problems with pro-choicers (just fyi: I am one myself, this is a pro-choicer criticizing other pro-choicers) is that a lot of pro-choice arguments are being made by the same people who parade around that phony ‘pro-science’ attitude and superficially fetishize science - and then they turn around and make arguments like this:

Fun fact: we sorta are.

Our biological purpose is to make babies. This is not to say that we should demonize women who can’t have children nor should we chastise those who opt not to. 

But to deny that women exist to make babies is blatantly anti-science.

Dear Anti-choicers, consider this.

Forcing someone to maintain a pregnancy they are unable or unwilling to have is EXACTLY as traumatic as forcing a person who has a planned, wanted, loved, and viable pregnancy to have an abortion.

The difference is pro-choicers will NEVER force someone to give up their pregnancy, while pro-lifers will always try to force someone to be permanently traumatized by an unwanted, unplanned, and/or unviable pregnancy.

I think we’ve empowered people opposed to abortion by being mute or defensive about the biological realities of pregnancy termination. We’ve allowed them to create a narrative that is patently false, and yet, without any competing narrative, it bares a truth that doesn’t exist within it. I think people are able to handle the truth. The numbers show that most people can conceptualize pregnancy termination in some form or another. Many people approve of abortion. Even if they don’t approve of it in all cases, they can certainly understand where it might be necessary. I think if we’re going to shift the culture around this very important service, we’ve got to trust people that they are capable of dealing with the substance of it, and maybe developing the compassion to handle the nuance. I’m not a big fan of euphemisms, because at the end of the day, whatever we call it, we’re doing it. If we’re going to have honest disagreements, we have to put facts in the arena.

saving this for posterity forever because I seriously cannot stop laughing at it.

“give me a CREDIBLE source! not that government biomedical research facility source, that isn’t credible! 

my sources are AbortionIsPerformedBySatanists.wordpress.org and ProChoicersSacrificeInfants.com! Checkmate pro choicers!”

Arguments We Need to Stop Using as Pro-Choicers

When scrolling through the abortion tag, I see a lot of posts where the poster definitely has their heart in the right place and is fighting the good fight, but doesn’t have the correct information or is using an argument that doesn’t do much to further the pro-choice movement because it can easily be twisted or debunked by pro-lifers.

1. “It’s just a clump of cells,” or variants referring to the fetus as anything other than a fetus (parasite, etc).

Technically, it’s not wrong to say a fetus is a clump of cells. But technically, it’s not wrong to say that you and I are clumps of cells. 

Using the term “clump of cells,” or other variants is wrong because it is emotionally manipulative, in the same way that pro-lifers calling fetuses “innocent babies,” is emotionally manipulative. It’s easy for a pro-lifer to instantly take the argument less seriously, and use this argument as a strawman in the future. 

It’s important to stay factual and correct in our terminology by using words like “embryo,” or “fetus,” that don’t allow pro-lifers to detract from our argument by playing games with semantics and ignoring the larger message.

I think this can also be looked at as insensitive to some people who have had miscarriages, or may not have had the best experience with their abortions. To say that they only lost a “clump of cells” may be hurtful.

2. “It’s not alive.”

Zygotes, embryos, and fetuses are living things. They are not living in the same way that you and I are living, as sentient and autonomous beings with thoughts and feelings, but they are living. To say that they are not is not truthful, and again, makes it easy for pro-lifers to latch onto this statement and think that they’ve defeated the entire pro-choice argument by providing evidence that fetuses are living.

This doesn’t mean abortion is wrong. Simply being alive does not grant a fetus (or any other living person or thing) rights over another person’s body. 

Abortion is not okay because a fetus is not alive, abortion is okay because the pregnant person is also a living being with a right to bodily autonomy. 

3. “It’s not human/a human being/a person.”

Fetuses are, in fact, human. Humans do not gestate insects, reptiles, or cattle. They gestate other humans. To say that a fetus is not human is not truthful or beneficial.

The “human being,” argument is a little more tricky. This educational post by proteg-et-servio goes into the differences between human, human being, and person. Because “being” (as a noun) is defined as either “a living thing,” or “the state of existing,” it’s technically not correct to claim that a fetus is not a human being. It is in fact human, and it is in a state of existence. 

It is factually correct to say that a fetus is not a person. But, this shouldn’t really matter. Pro-lifers can argue all day long that a fetus is, or should be considered a person, but regardless of that fact, no person has rights over another person’s body.

I actually hate the abortion debate because both sides refuse to see the other sides point of view. Like pro life people are pro life because they see a fetus as a living human being at the point of conception while pro choice people are pro choice because they think the fetus isn’t human until later. But instead, Pro-lifers seem to see pro-choicers as evil people who want to kill children while pro-choicers see pro-lifers as wanting to control a womans body. It’s a complete mess 

An actual argument that an anti-choicer is making in my messages (I’m paraphrasing, slightly): 

Having sex is a luxury only rich people can afford. Poor people seeking publicly-funded birth control/contraception is like me going to the French Riviera and expecting others to pay for it.

Anti-choicers are something else.

Pro-choicers have //literally// the worst logic.

Bodily autonomy?

Great – not your body. Sex = consent to the possibility of pregnancy = you literally put that thing there you have no right to revoke it’s being there when you are the one responsible.

(also… bodily autonomy literally doesn’t exist except in very small things like the right to get tattoos or go skydiving. Drugs are illegal. Public indecency is illegal. Driving recklessly is illegal. You can’t even donate an organ to save someone’s life if losing that organ would kill you. Killing a developing human //should// be illegal.)

Which brings me to the second and most ignorant: “it’s not a human/alive/a person”.

Why, because it’s small? Short people have no right to live.

Because it’s not capable of surviving on it’s own? Babies, the very old, and the handicapped have no right to live.

Because it’s not human? You literally have no grasp of how biology works.

Because it’s not alive? …I’ve actually seen morons make this argument and I just laugh until I cry.

How about the rape argument? That a woman shouldn’t be forced to bring to term the result of a horrific attack?

Rape is horrible. No argument there. But… why in the world should a child pay for the crimes of its parent?

How about the “to save the life of the mother” argument?

I’m not even going to go here except for one simple consideration: in a day and age where Caesarean-sections are common, how hard is it to attempt to save both lives? If a child dies in the midst of trying to save them, that’s tragic. If a child dies because someone actively poisoned them and ripped their body to shreds, that’s evil.

How about the “if it’s going to be poor/disabled/etc it’s kinder to abort” argument?

…how… horrifically classist and ablist is that? Someone’s life is worth LESS somehow because they are poor or disabled? What even? I can’t even formulate an argument against that I can only squawk in disbelief.

There is not a single pro-choice argument that holds any water, and not a single argument in the world that will ever justify the deliberate destruction of a human life.

…*sigh* I’m done now.

anonymous asked:

Here's the thing: no matter what pro lifers do, abortion will not cease to exist. So you must pick. Safe abortions that are easy to access, or abortions done unsafely and painfully at home. What do you prefer? - a fed-up pro choicer

What if I said that child trafficking will always exist, so you have to choose between legal, regulated, “safe” child slavery and illegal, “back-alley” child slavery?

We can’t keep the mass killing of human children legal simply because it will “happen anyway.”

We must do everything we can to protect human rights. That includes not just banning abortion, but also providing the resources and support that mothers need to be able to choose life for their children. It also means educating people on human development in the womb and what abortion does to that developing human.

Beyond making abortion illegal, we need to make it unthinkable. Will it still happen sometimes? Maybe. But if we can reduce the numbers from 43 million per year worldwide to a few isolated incidents here and there, that would be some progress.

I love it when pro-choicers talk about “compassion” and mention something along the lines of “but the baby will come out disabled” in the next breath.

Don’t even talk to me about “compassion” if your idea of “compassion” is getting rid of disabled people because death is apparently better than living life with a disability. Fuck you.

When a pro-choicer asks “So what do pro-lifers do for the mother?!”

I just

Originally posted by southwestcollectionarchives

The following masterposts are all resource lists for women in crisis pregnancies.  Even if you are not facing such a challenge, please at least save the links and names of these master posts so that you can refer to them in the future if a friend or family member could use them!

http://patron-saint-of-smart-asses.tumblr.com/post/137383171944/pro-lifers-dont-care-about-the-mothers

http://patron-saint-of-smart-asses.tumblr.com/post/121136026549/making-choosing-life-a-viable-option

http://patron-saint-of-smart-asses.tumblr.com/post/131900649954/resources-for-pregnant-women-who-need-help

And this list doesn’t include all the other local organizations and compassionate individuals out there who work to help mother and child life with dignity!

CAN YOU GUYS DO SOMETHING FOR ME? PRO-CHOICERS PLEASE!!!

My Classmate wants to educate people on being Pro-Choice to the conservatives of Texas. She wants the to be REALLY impactful but She is giving up hope. She wants to stop botched abortions and help Planned Parent Hood have a good name and not be defunded.

HERE IS THE LINK https://twitter.com/WeFightTheWire

WHAT YOU CNA DO TO HELP HER SPREAD THE WORD AND HELP HER.

  • FOLLOW HER (IT WOULD REALLY SHOW THAT YOU WOUDL CARE AND WATCH OVER HER AND IF SHE EVER GOT HATE YOU WOULD DEFEND HER WITH FACTS. )
  • LINK HER ARTICLES TO SHOW PLANNED PARENTHOOD AND ABORTIONS ARE NEEDED AND SAFE AND THE AGENDA THAT PEOPLE WHO GET ABORTIONS ARE NOT BAD BUT NEEDED FOR THEIR SAFETY AND HEALTH. 
  • PROMO ON YOUR OWN TWITTER AND NEVER SPEAK OF IT AGAIN IS ALSO OK! SOMEONE MAY DO ALL OF THE ABOVE FOR YOU.

or

  • @ HER AND TELL HER SHE CAN DO IT! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DON’T LET HER BELIEVE SHE NEEDS TO NOT FUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD AND FEEL BAD. HELP HER REALIZE WHAT SHE IS DOING IS A DENT IN OPPRESSION

Reblog this! Oh please I beg of you for what you stand for to help women in these trying times I beg of you oh god please reblog!

THANK YOU! 

I think it’s very striking in that almost every video of a pro-lifer and a pro-choicer debating you can see the difference in attitude. The pro-lifer is almost always very calm and respectful, and the pro-choicer is standing there screaming, cursing and interrupting them with every other word. 

It really shows the difference in the sides, doesn’t it?