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Whenever abortion comes up, I have a question I’ve been asking for ten years now of the “Life begins at Conception” crowd. In ten years, no one has ever answered it honestly. 1/

It’s a simple scenario with two outcomes. No one ever wants to pick one, because the correct answer destroys their argument. And there IS a correct answer, which is why the pro-life crowd hates the question. 2/

Here it is. You’re in a fertility clinic. Why isn’t important. The fire alarm goes off. You run for the exit. As you run down this hallway, you hear a child screaming from behind a door. You throw open the door and find a five-year-old child crying for help. 3/

They’re in one corner of the room. In the other corner, you spot a frozen container labeled “1000 Viable Human Embryos.” The smoke is rising. You start to choke. You know you can grab one or the other, but not both before you succumb to smoke inhalation and die, saving no one. 4/

Do you A) save the child, or B) save the thousand embryos? There is no “C.” “C” means you all die.

In a decade of arguing with anti-abortion people about the definition of human life, I have never gotten a single straight A or B answer to this question. And I never will. 5/

They will never answer honestly, because we all instinctively understand the right answer is “A.” A human child is worth more than a thousand embryos. Or ten thousand. Or a million. Because they are not the same, not morally, not ethically, not biologically. 6/

This question absolutely eviscerates their arguments, and their refusal to answer confirms that they know it to be true.

No one, anywhere actually believes an embryo is equivalent to a child. That person does not exist. They are lying to you. 7/

They are lying to you to try and evoke an emotional response, a paternal response, using false-equivalency.

No one believes life begins at conception. No one believes embryos are babies, or children. Those who claim to are trying to manipulate you so they can control women. 8/

~ @stealthygeek

[Note that this argument is an example of a logical fallacy called “Affirming a disjunct.” The fallacy takes shape as “A or B. A. Therefore, not B.” Thanks to James Taylor for pointing this out.]

You don’t have to love abortion. You can dislike it. Maybe it even makes you sad. The way you view abortion is up to you. If you don’t like abortion, you can advocate for proper sex education, access to birth control and other things that have been shown to lower unplanned pregnancies. You don’t have to like abortion.

But what you can’t do is disrespect somebody for having an abortion. You can’t take away that choice from women because you don’t like it. Your emotions are not somebody else’s responsibility. Your emotions aren’t more important than anyone else’s bodily autonomy. You don’t have to like abortion, but you have to respect other people’s rights and that includes the right to safe, accessible, abortion.

I hate people who reluctantly say they’re okay wth abortions but stipulate ~not late term abortions~

listen. no one spends eight months being pregnant and then wakes up one day like “nah nvm let’s kill it”

people getting late term abortions WANTED the baby! they’ve already picked out cute baby outfits! they’ve painted the nursery a cute pastel color! they’ve made lists of names!

if they’re getting an abortion at eight months it’s because they HAVE TO. because the baby is dying or killing them.

I don’t want to hear shit from y'all pro life assholes about these grieving parents.

Until there are literally 0 unwanted pregnancies in the entire world (100% of the population has affordable access to contraceptives, and those contraceptives are 100% effective 100% of the time, sexual assault never happens, and contraceptive sabotage never occurs), and until pregnancy is 100% safe and never presents medical risks or complications, and until pre and post-natal care is 100% affordable for 100% of the population: legal abortion will be needed. 

Never forget that. Abortion is a medical procedure that serves a wide variety of situations and may be needed for a wide variety of reasons. And until only people who want to be pregnant get pregnant, and only when all pregnancies are safe and affordable, and all pregnancies are carried safely to term, until that somehow happens, people will need abortion. 

If you want to reduce abortions numbers (and really, we ALL do) then we need to address the factors that make abortion needed. 

Just had one of the best lectures I’ve had in med school

It was on ‘The ethics of abortion’, and I was sorta expecting a lecture tip-toeing around the different viewpoints without offending anyone. But our lecturer slayed!

- she started out by saying how the ‘pro life’ side always get emotive pictures of babies and foetuses etc, and that there’s hardly any for pro choice. So she put up a photo of a woman lying dead on the floor, after bleeding out from an unsafe abortion her partner tried to perform on her

- she showed us statistics on how abortion rates are lower in countries with safe, legal access to abortion

- she showed us more statistics on how high maternal death rates and deaths from unsafe abortions became when countries made access to abortion more restricted 

- she put up photos of discarded babies in streets and rubbish bins in countries where abortion is illegal 

- she talked about a case in the US where a woman was ex-communicated from an ethics committee at a catholic hospital, after the committee allowed a woman with life-threatening complications to have an abortion, then our lecturer commented that ‘it’s funny how it was wrong for her to do that, yet child abuse is apparently ok’ 

- she went through cases of more women who were so desperate to have an abortion that they seriously harmed themselves

- she ended the lecture on the photo of the woman who died, and said ‘whatever your stance on abortion, the fact is that if a woman has made up her mind that she doesn’t want to be pregnant, she will do whatever she can to get an abortion, even if it puts her life at risk’

Originally posted by yourreactiongifs

Listen

If your argument for abortion is


-I can’t afford a baby


-I shouldn’t be forced to have it


-it will ruin my life/body


-I don’t want to be a parent


-putting up for adoption isn’t free


-I made/have no money


-my body my choice


-I really don’t want to have a baby

-I don’t want to be pregnant


-stop taking my rights


Then that’s okay and we completely support you because those are all 100% very valid.