I know these both happened in Buckleming episodes, and this is our second reference to the idea that there are no women in the Apocalypse world. Or am I reading too much into Kevin's "hot women" and that other guy's "haven't seen a woman in a long time" lines?
Nope, I’m thinking there are very, very few women in that world. In 3.02, when Mary tells the guy that she’s a hunter:
HUNTER: I ain’t never met a female Hunter. Not many women, period, since the wars began.
So it seems logical that for a kid who grew up in that world would have an entirely different set of priorities than one that grew up in the regular world.
In 12.23, when Cas is describing that AU to Sam and Dean:
CASTIEL: As I said, it's– it’s Earth. But this Earth is locked in eternal war between Heaven and Hell. There are armies of angels fighting hoards of demons, and the few humans that remain are caught in between.
“The few humans that remain…” are going to have raised in a war zone. I mean, as the Prophet, it’s likely Kevin Tran has been raised entirely by angels for his own protection from demons and even other humans who’d be suspicious of any human with a connection with angels.
I have another anon asking several questions in the same vein, so I’m gonna append it here for easy reference purposes :P
okay but do we know WHY women are like… rare or whatever is going on in the AU world? Is there a reason?? or is it spn’s excuse for inventing a whole 2nd world and having no female characters over there either??
I love this, I tried to answer the how above, so where’s some thoughts on the why. :)
As I said to the other anon, we’ve known that humans in general are in short supply in the AU. Fascinating how they’ve paralleled it to a near-identical situation in “our world’s” Heaven with the angels going extinct, since that was also a major plot point in this episode.
The angels were trying to capture Cas because they believed they could use him as either bait to lure Jack in, or that after they apprehended Jack, they could use Cas to convince Jack to help them replenish their ranks.
One thing I’ve thought may be Jack’s eventual endgame is that he’d voluntarily choose to go to the AU, and everything I’ve seen so far this season is leading me to believe that’s a distinct possibility. Jack’s whole deal since he gave Cas that vision in 12.19 was to bring “paradise” to Earth.
Now in the AU, Michael and Kevin referred to the SPN ‘verse AS PARADISE. And they both intended to come through the portal because they HAD the apocalypse in the AU, and then failed to end up with the promised paradise… Michael did kill Lucifer, and God’s still gone. There was no reward except more war.
Well, what if Jack’s purpose is to bring paradise to that world apparently forsaken by God? Where Michael considers himself the ranking deity? Where humanity has suffered nearly to the brink of extinction and all that natural wonder has just turned to dust? What if Jack’s power could bring life and hope back to that world that’s completely devoid of it now? What if that’s why his power even opened a rift into that world in the first place?
The same way the angels want to use Jack’s power to generate more angels and repopulate Heaven, and Asmodeus wants to use Jack’s powers to unleash the worst of Hell on the world to begin the sort of war in the regular SPN ‘verse that destroyed the planet in the AU, what if Jack CHOSE to end all that fighting and suffering in the AU? I mean… THEEEEMES.
So yeah, I think the lack of women in the AU is important for this fact.
That’s the watsonian perspective. Now on to the doylist perspective, because you can’t mix these perspectives and come up with rational thoughts:
I’m honestly RELIEVED there aren’t more women in the AU. I want characters like Eileen and Charlie back, but I want OUR Eileen and Charlie back, you know? I really don’t want entirely different AU versions of them.
The fact that Ketch is alive, and Rowena is also alive, means there’s an excellent chance that Charlie is ALSO alive. And the fact that Ketch was also responsible for Eileen’s death, and his return brings her death specifically up for the same sort of potential for resurrection…
I mean, narratively, all of Ketch’s actions are now up for critical review. That’s how these sorts of things work within a story’s structure.
We know Ketch had somehow compelled Rowena (a witch, whom we know he hunts for funsies, but is willing to let her live specifically because she has this particular power… so he lets her live for selfish reasons, even though he’s still on the “all monsters must die” bandwagon, and seems to have found a kindred spirit (or at the very least an employer with goals he can appreciate) in Asmodeus.
Honestly, I’m thinking of Ketch and Asmodeus as the characters Dabb told Bucklemming to focus on this season so they’d largely be able to just fuck with them however they wanted, because we’re SUPPOSED to hate these characters anyway. Like the rest of the writers are handling all the “good stuff” of the season, and Dabb’s just found a way to keep the dreadful duo going in their own little circle.
I’m just talking to Lizbob about this, and she’s agreed, suggesting Dabb just gave them this little playpen with a few toys in it that if they break them, it’s not gonna break the larger narrative. She mentioned she’s annoyed that Mary seems to have got caught up in that playpen, so the fact Mary wasn’t in this episode at all is actually a relief.
Dabb might be stuck with Bucklemming in the writer’s room, but I honestly do think he’s found the best possible way to keep their nonsense contained. Does that make sense? I hope so. Because regardless of the wtf-ery of the details, and the atrociousness of the whole Asmodeus thing, they at least managed to stick to the overarching themes. For bucklemming, that’s a feat in itself.