persehone

The Chrysaphe Relief

An ornamented throne, with lions-feet legs and a back ending in a palmette, contains two enthroned figures. The male, who is nearer to us, turns toward us. His hair is trained in four long braids which fall across his shoulders and back; he is wearing a heavy garment, which is apparently draped across his body (it leaves the left shoulder, the shoulder closest to us, bare), and sandals. In his left hand he holds a large cantharus; his right hand is held out above this with the palm flat toward us, as if in a gesture of greeting. The female figure behind holds up with her left hand her mantle beside her face in a familiar bridal gesture. In her right hand she holds a pomegranate.

Behind the throne, stretched out along the whole length of the back with its head thrust over the top, is a serpent. Beneath the cantharus are two tiny figures bearing offerings; the man has a cock in his right hand, the woman a stylized flower. Each has something else in the left hand, proabbly fruit.

The serpent places us in the underworld. (…) It would seem then that this is not a gravestone, and that the enthroned pair are the gods of the undeworld, Hades and Persehone (or the same figures by other names) ; we remember that the theoi melichioi were often a couple, chthonic Zeus and his consort.

(…)

The story of Persephone, represented on the Locrian pinakes, pictures marriage as death. The archaic Spartans (whose representations are echoed by the iconography on the pinakes) died, evidently, into an existence under the sign of marriage. The honored state of death is represented in both places by the enthroned couple The analogy between life and death, further, works in both directions, since death like marriage, is a telos, a perfection of the person. Gravestones and dedications in general are caught in the web of this double analogy, whereby the funeral is an initiation, and every initiation a death and rebirth. (Redfield, 377, 378)

The Force/Sexuality, Rey’s Vision, and Kylo/Persephone

Star Wars, Star Wars, Star Wars, the three s’s of star wars. (Prepare for a long meta and the occasional joke that makes no sense.)

Let’s finally talk about the force equalling sexuality, Rey’s vision, and a dumb extension of the Hades and Persephone theory. 

The Force = Sexuality

Yup, I’ve been talking about this meta for a while, just never really got to it because I didn’t have enough to put in it to justify writing it. But last night an idea came to me, so that’s what we’ll expand on.

(I have got to stop using 30 Rock gifs.) 

This isn’t a new concept for The Force Awakens, I’m fairly certain we all got that vibe, of the force meaning something similar to sexuality in this movie, and I belive it was intended this way. But as some people hadn’t thought about Star Wars just being a fairytale set in space, I think it’s fair to go over this as well, so no one is left in the dark.

The obvious place to start is the woods. Because this is out first glimpse of anything coded as sexual.

She’s taken away by our villain, after being chased down by him in the woods. The backdrop of masculine chasing feminine in the woods is a classic for fairytales or simply stories about sexual awakening. Obviously most people here reference red riding hood which is fine. But there are lots of stories that have to do with sexual awakenings, and as such it’s a regular subject for a story involving young girls as long as you don’t dress it directly.

What we’re exploring here, is how the sexuality in this fairytale/the force awakens, is replaced by the force. In the interogation scene we find that Rey is strapped down, and Kylo takes off his mask, making the scene more intimate. He then enters her mind, and she does the same to him.

They both do so though the force, kylo no expecting her to be able to do the same, or at least not as well. I’ve always looked at this as a place holder for sex if we’re thinking about the force eqaling sexuality. When I say place holder, I don’t mean intentionally coded sex. I mean the two of them have “entered” each other in an intimate way. But I honestly can’t think of a better short hand to refer to it by, so we’ll keep calling it coded force sex.

The movie it’s self is called The Force Awakens, and in this scene where they essentially have force sex, Rey comes into her powers with the force. Through our fairytale tinted glasses we can view this as Rey’s sexual awakening. Which in this scene she promptly takes charge of, by turning the tables on Kylo, and then on JB-007.

So, where do we go from here? We can talk about the fight at the end of the movie? Or perhaps their possible force bond? Let’s start with Rey’s vision. Specifically, the two most important parts when talking about Reylo. Her flash forwards to the woods, and her other view of Kylo stabbing someone. Oh man have I had some revelations about this scene.

Rey’s Vision

Please note that Kylo in the flash forward Rey has to the forest fight with Kylo, he is wearing his helmet, which is inconsistent with the actual final fight where he’s unmasked, seen below.

For a while I simply dismissed this as, the movie not wanting to reveal his face to us, and decidieng that the inconsitancy was fine. Or that minor details didn’t matter in the vision. But then I realsied that in all other examples of Rey’s vision she can’t interact with anyone. Proof of this is seen here, when she witnesses her self being placed on Jakku, and no one can see her. Further evidencee to support this is the fact that Rey is still wearing the same clothes in every instance.

So then why in these moments in the vision, does Kylo interact with her?

Perhaps it’s because he’s having these visions at the same time. And the reason he’s wearing his mask in the forest is because he is also being transported through them in the same attire he’s currently wearing, just as Rey is. Granted, I’m pushing it with this one. But now that I’ve pointed this out, let’s get back on track.

Hades/Rey And Persephone/Kylo

I don’t believe there’s much to discusses in the force = sexuality conversation when it comes to the final fight. Sure Kylo says he wants to teach her, and after looking very confused, she decides to essentially seek teaching else where. Sensible move if you ask me. And this is where the rest of the force = sexuality comes in. Or at least I expect it to in the second movie. This is where it might get a little dull for you guys since I don’t have gifs from the second movie, because I’m not a time traveler.

So, we’ve already discussed that Rey has to explore the dark side, she just has to. And Kylo will most likely be our conduit for that exploration. Rey and Kylo are regularly presented as two sides of the same coin, so they will at some point try to corrupt each other. Kylo will most likely continue his “obsession” with her, and present the dark side like the apple in the garden of eden, or the pomegranate Persephone eats on her way out of the underworld. Personally i prefer the pomegranate comparison, because a lot of people I know interpret the pomegranate as sex or sexuality, and this made her stay. Basically some people interpret the story of Hades and Persephone as, she stayed in the underworld because she really liked boneing Hades. Eh, I don’t know how true that is, it’s four in the morning, and i’m tired. But I think most of us can agree that the pomegranate represents something sexual.

In this theory crafting section of this meta, the pomegranate would be the force, and the force would be sexuality. This could easily lead to a devil on the shoulder kind of situation. Especially so if Rey and Kylo have a force bond. Something the Reylo fandom has discussed in length and seems genuinely plausible after their mind invasion, force pushing, and visions of each other. I’ll honestly feel like there was a huge missed opportunity if they don’t.

So Atnikangel wrote a meta about the Hades and Persephone theory, and pointed out that the snow at the end could be perceived as the changing of the seasons at the end of the Hades and Persephone story. if we take this apporch we could view various things as persephone eating the pomagrante. But the pomegranate should represent the dark side. It could be her use of a jedi mind trick against JB-007, which seems unlikely since Obi-Wan does this, and he shows no pull to the dark side because of it. perhaps it’s her willingness to gun down Kylo? Only, jedi kill people all the time, something I’ve always had a problem with… But whatever. It could be that the pomagrante in the story is an insigificant one, but that seems unlikely.

I feel inclinded to say that the pomagrante is yet to come, and that it’ll be represented in the next movie through Rey’s moral choice. Now normally this is where I’d stop the meta and say goodbye. But, let’s just go a little further and get really cracky with the whole Hades and Persephone thing. So, for the sake of making this meta longer, because, eh, why not? It’s not like i need sleep, RIGHT!?

What if Kylo is our persephone? Okay… Just hear me out. It’s pretty late, I’m on a sugar high, and I’m half watching a star wars tv show, so this is probably gibberish. But let’s go through the time line, and see if this works.

Hades kidnaps persephone. In our Rey/Persephone theory, she’s taken away during the bridal carry.

In this dumb ass theory, Kylo/Persephone is stolen away by Rey/Hades during her vision. As previously dicussed these parts of her vision would make more sense if Kylo was present for her vision.

The force-sex applies for both versions of the story. Rey/Persehone, or Rey/Hades. Which would mean Kylo’s pomegranate could be a few things.

I should really take this picture out because it’s awful, but like I said, it’s late. Screw it. I’m putting it in the meta.
The thing you’ve got to remember about the pomegranate in the story, is that it’s what keeps persephone coming back to the underworld. So I guess that means it’s probably something Rey does to solidify Kylo’s interest in her. So it could be the humility in losing the fight against her. The event that confirms that she’s one of the few people that can stand up to him. because no matter how you look at it, the way he acts around Finn is cocky, and relaxed.

It’s only when Rey picks up the lightsaber that his attitude changes. Maybe the scar on his face, maybe his defeat is the pomegranate that will make it impossible to go back. It could be that the force-sex is his pomegranate, since that could be the moment he realizes he has an equal, and someone who might be able to understand him. Or… Maybe Kylo’s pomegranate will be in the next movie. Or maybe I need to shut up and go to bed. How am I going to explain to my family I didn’t get any sleep because i was up late writing an analysis of Star Wars…

Okay, guh-bye! IT’S NAP TIME FOR ME.

Thank you to @the-angels-gonna-play for the gif I was looking for.