Listen, you gotta let my boy go. Hmm? You kill my partner, I gotta come after you. I don’t wanna do it, but how am I gonna look, you kill my partner, I don’t make a move? All right. But promise me that you’ll keep him under control. I promise. Cool. Put Butch on, please.
hello! i was wondering if you have any links to the fish meta about castiel? or if you wrote any yourself? i can't seem to find it
Hey! well I don’t remember reading anything specific recently, as I thought about it during my review for this episode after seeing this post cross my dash and having a good giggle. But when Cas was first called a fish by Rowena in 10x22 (Dabb episode) I think there was stuff floating around. I wasn’t actually active until season 11 started so I don’t have any archives of meta from around that time, however from my own memory about Cas and fish we have these lines from 6x20:
“I remember being at a shoreline, watching a little grey fish heave itself up on the beach and an older brother saying, “don’t step on that fish, Castiel. Big plans for that fish.”
“Those first weeks back in heaven were surprisingly difficult. Explaining freedom to angels is a bit like teaching poetry to fish.”
and this line for 10x22
“You’re just fascinating. An angel that rejected Heaven. That’s like a fish that wants to fly, or a dog that thinks he’s people.”
I’d be happy to kill her, she just called me a fish.”
(obviously these callbacks to 6x20 just go hand in hand with season 12 as Dabb is clearly as big a fan of 6x20 as we are.
I THINK these are the only two instances pre Season 12 but please someone correct me if I’m wrong.
Interestingly there is conflicting symbolism here. In 6x20 BOTH humanity and angels are referred to as fish. Humanity at first as the whole “big plans for that fish” implies that it would evolve into humans, but Cas refers to angels as fish as well in terms of how they cannot understand freewill.
In 10x22 Cas is really insulted at Rowena calling him a fish, (compared to humans? or Angels?) but Rowena had a point. Cas has been described (I think by Edlund) as the “fish out of water” by being the angel who rejects heaven and tries to be human. He doesn’t quite fit in, but he still tries. From 6x20s symbolically connecting fish to both Humans and Angels it makes sense that Cas is the “fish” in this respect. He is both Angel and Human in a way, or at least, he is the Angel of Humanity at this point.
I think 12x12 explored that imagery with Cas being the fisherman’s “catch” and I don’t think it was a random connection. 12x12 is FULL of references to 6x20 and therefore it just fits. Cas is the fish. Still desperately struggling to crawl onto the shoreline, to find his place in this new scary dry world full of new dangers. Just like humanity did long ago on that shoreline, Cas is finding his place. Thankfully by the end of 12x12 he had his place confirmed. There is no doubt anymore in his mind that he is a Winchester, and that he has a safe place to call home.
It just so happens that one episode prior to Cas being “the fish” Dean said this:
A really good example of a microaggression from systematic ableism in american society is that in public speaking classes you’ll lose points on graded speeches if you don’t make enough eye contact. As someone who’s autistic and struggles with sensory processing in addition to a very avoidant personality, it’s extremely unfair to take away points for my inability to make consistent and frequent eye contact with those in my audience. Even in one-on-one conversation, you can easily notice that I will spend more time looking in a different direction than making eye contact. It’s not because I’m disinterested in the conversation, or not trying to speak directly to others, it’s because making eye contact makes me uncomfortable and distressed, and to give me a lower grade based on a habit that was developed from a disability of mine is ableism no matter how you look at it (no pun intended). It’s no different than docking points from someone with a physical disability that prevents them from doing certain exercises in a phys ed class. It’s unfair to grade an autistic person’s abilities that are specifically impaired by their autism, and not many people realize or say anything about it.
Are commercially bred fish (such as goldfish and bettas, who have been altered by humans for their pretty tails/colors/patterns) considered domesticated? Wikipedia classed them as such but I'd like a professionals opinion in conjunction with that.
Yes, they’re considered domesticated. Humans have kept them for multiple, multiple generations and selectively bred them to an extent that they are now very different genetically and phenotypically from their wild ancestors.
That’s the result of a long period of selective breeding. There’s some pretty strange shapes we’ve bred into those fish, several of them making me downright uncomfortable. Some of these fish can’t see in front of their face, they can’t see what they’re eating. They’re pretty, but I wish people would remember these things are alive too.
I was very keen on Bettas in my adolescence. I think the most I had was twelve at one point. I would classify them as domesticated as well, because we took a fish like this:
and bred them into these:
They’re genetically and phenotypically different from the wild type betta. It shows, too. Breeding half-moons and over half-moons is very challenging, especially if you’re using a ‘quality’ male. The volume of finnage they have to drag around is huge, and they breed by wrapping their body around a female and squeezing her. The female is lucky enough to have much shorter fins.
They are very pretty and I like them a lot, these little fish to actually have personality and attitude, but I also feel like going beyond super delta is too far.
The welfare aspects of breeding fish to such extreme shapes s generally overlooked, and will probably remain that was because fish are often viewed more like ornaments than like animals. I hope that changes, but I doubt it will happen very soon.
And I’d like to take a moment to indulge a pet peeve. Someone, somewhere, had the bright idea of taking my favorite species of fish, the beautiful pearl gourami…
… and inbreeding it to the point where we end up with creatures like this…
I mean, WHY did you have to do this? It just saddens me like you wouldn’t believe.
Just because we can do these things, doesn’t always mean we should.
Fun Fact of The Day: This dolphin here is actually using the puffer fish as a drug to induce a trance-like state. The skin of the puffer fish, in small amounts, is known to produce a narcotic effect. The behavior was captured by an award winning wildlife documentary producer, John Downer, and a zoologist, Rob Pilley, who states “Young dolphins are purposely experimenting with something we know to be intoxicating. After chewing it gently and passing it around, they began acting most peculiarly, hanging around with their noses at the surface as if fascinated by their own reflection.”