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infiniteoceansofblue  asked:

Hey lovelies! I was wondering if you guys could find fics where, post-nogistune, he's still really messed up and traumatized and depressed and stuff from it? And the pack and Scott and Derek take care of him and help him recover? Thank you so much!

Here you go, @infiniteoceansofblue! - Anastasia

Originally posted by teenwolf--imagines

A Little Unsteady by fireflystiles (cuddlehazz)

(1/1 I 1,087 I General I Sterek)

Derek’s always there. Stiles is a little unsteady. Things end up okay, maybe even a little good.

Make You Feel at Ease by orphan_account

(1/1 I 1,228 I Not Rated I Sterek)

They had finally defeated the Nogitsune, destroyed the dark spirit, but Stiles still felt like there was darkness left inside of him. All of his friends, one by one, come to visit the broken boy but no one is able to get through to him.

It’s not until Scott knocks some sense into the one person Stiles needs that things are finally at ease.

It’s Okay by eggprince

(1/1 I 1,737 I General I Sterek)

It’s a long road to recovery after the Nogitsune fiasco, but Scott’s willing to do anything to help Stiles as much as he can.

If that means cuddling under three blankets in the sweltering heat of summer, then so be it.

enough of a benediction by aweekofsaturdays

(1/1 I 2,190 I Explicit I Chris/Stiles)

Chris’ thumb brushes lightly in circles at his neck, soothing the taut muscles and smoothing over the short hairs there. Stiles hadn’t noticed but now he can feel it sifting away something with every pass, can feel the edge behind his eyes easing, can feel something else climbing in his gut with the continuity of the touch.

I don’t need you, but i really do by VoidSterekOTP

(1/1 I 3,297 I Mature I Sterek)

“Why weren’t you at school?” Scott asks concerned.
“I wasn’t feeling to good this morning and I threw up last night. Dad let me take the day off” Well it wasn’t exactly a lie he just left the part out where he spent all day in bed with his boyfriend snorting coke off of each other’s chest and smoking pot.

Beau Geste by alan713ch

(3/3 I 4,777 I General I Sciles)

“How do wolves signal their position to another members of their pack?”

“They howl.”

Hypnotised by CasualWinchester

(4/? I 5,358 I Not Rated I Stydia)

After the events of Season 3B, the pack are all trying to get back to normal. Even though everyone knows that normality in Beacon Hills is not a word that is used lightly. So when a new lost pack turns up and after a vicious attack leaves Stiles with the bite. Things become dangerous in Beacon Hills again.

Especially when a familiar face shows up.

Big Bad Wolf by Nival_Vixen

(7/? I 8,685 I Mature I Sterek)

Stiles knows that someone needs and trusts him, and it’s not his father or Scott - it’s Derek.

After he discovers that Kate’s kidnapped Derek, Stiles tracks him down, and with the help of the pack, Stiles gets his big bad wolf back.

Your Vision Borrows Mine by hazyascent

(1/? I 12,089 I Explicit I Sterek I Rape)

Stiles has encountered a fair share of monsters before, way out of his league - the kinds that children are afraid are hiding in their closets and under the bed.

He’d even become one himself when he was void. The nogitsune was in his house, his body, and his mind.

But the worst monster he’s ever faced took even more from him and got away with it.

It’s why Stiles has never really been as terrified of werewolves and kanimas and darachs as he should have been. They’re really not that scary, relatively speaking, and he has a whole team on his side. They always found a way to win - until they lost someone they really loved.

Stiles doesn’t know how to be normal, not after everything he’s done and everyone he’s hurt. The nogitsune is gone, but another monster is on its heels.

His uncle is back. And Stiles has never felt more alone.

Necrosis by Aris

(¾ I 17,213 I Teen I Sterek)

Wings are thought to be a reflection of who you are inside.

After the Nogitsune, Stiles’s begin to rot.

tide pulls from the moon by paintedrecs

(10/10 I 45,258 I Mature I Sterek)

When Derek left Beacon Hills, finally ripping the tether free and remembering how to breathe, how to live again, it was Stiles who came after him. Stiles, who showed up at his door with blazing eyes, looking like he wanted to punch him in the face, but wrapping his arms around him instead, making him grunt in surprise at the raw strength of his embrace.

“You asshole,” Stiles said, slapping him heartily on the back as he extricated himself, his voice rough under his bright smile. “You couldn’t have made yourself harder to find, could you?”

Better Than The Alternative (Universe)

Technically late, but this is the Sterek fic I promised for day 2 of my Last 30 of 30 original content spree. It went and grew multiple POVs, so this is part 1 of 2, with part 2 to be posted tomorrow! Dedicated to @artemis69 and @dancinkatie who gave me the “Sheriff and Derek are BFFs/Sheriff Ships It” feelings (and said super lovely things to me and generally made me smile a whole bunch) 


Stiles isn’t sure how it happened, but he’s pretty sure he’s being replaced.

He’d only been at school for a couple weeks when Derek had returned to Beacon Hills, and as hard as it was to acknowledge that he’d once again missed a chance to turn their something into something more, the weirdest part was that out of all the dramatic and admittedly ridiculous alternate universes that he imagined being reunited with Derek in, he never imagined it would be in his own kitchen.

And that possibility was looking more and more likely.

Every time Stiles spoke to his dad these days, a significant amount of time was spent with John recounting his latest home improvement adventure with Derek. Or the ball game he and Derek watched. Or how Derek has really “settled into himself” now. And as much as Stiles really wanted to know all these things, it stung a little that his dad had so easily put another person in what used to be his place in his dad’s life.

It hurt even more that he was only hearing these stories from John. In all of the Big Reunion scenarios Stiles let himself imagine, Derek was always just as breathlessly  happy to see Stiles as Stiles was to see him. And now, a little over six weeks into his first semester and a month after Derek’s return home, Stiles has barely heard a peep beyond the first “Back in BH. I heard you were enjoying college, you deserve it” text.

The silence was driving him crazy, and he’s pretty sure his dad knows now, because he may have snapped a little when John mentioned Derek on their last phone call. He could only hope that he was imagining the “Derek Hale is my BFF” vibe his dad was giving off, and that by the time he went to visit at the end of the month everything would be back to normal.

Or at least what passes for normal in Beacon Hills.


John took a deep sip from his mug and sighed happily, surveying the newly painted walls with a satisfied smirk. “You were right about this color, son. It really brightens up the place,” he takes another sip and ignores the soft, pleased smile Derek still gets at the endearment. “You’re right about this fancy coffee, too. You’ve ruined me for store brand though.”

“As much of the stuff as you drink, you deserve the good stuff. Plus, I figured Stiles would appreciate knowing you’re safe from an ulcer from that glorified burnt acid you have at the station.”

John chuckles and doesn’t miss the wistful look Derek gets when he mentions Stiles. “Probably right about that, too.” After a beat of silence, he decides to start the conversation he and Derek have been avoiding at every shared meal, every trip to Home Depot and subsequent project, and especially every time Derek politely busies himself whenever he’s there when Stiles calls. It’s been an unspoken arrangement of their friendship, but after his conversation with Stiles earlier that day, and Derek’s umpteenth curious but restrained “How’s he doing?” it was time to bring it up.

“Have you talked to him, yet?”

Derek looks down at the mug he has cradled in his hands and takes a deep breath before meeting John’s eyes, a pensive crease on his brow. “I, uh. I’m not sure that that’s a good idea, John.”

John tilts his head slightly, waiting. In the time they’ve been spending together, he’s learned that often Derek needs the quiet to settle around him before he can fill it. A moment later, he does.

“Leaving Beacon Hills was the best decision I could have made at the time, but… But leaving Stiles-leaving all of them, was not easy. With Stiles there was always something there. I mean,” Derek looks away, back down at his now lukewarm coffee and rolls the mug between his palms. He huffs and shakes his head, looking up from under his lashes, head angled, “This is a hell of a thing to be talking about with you, you know,” and John waves it off, looking at him expectantly.

Derek laughs, light and humorlessly. “There was always something between us. We never really even talked about it, and I swear we never- there was no. I mean, he’s five years younger and he was a mi-”

“Derek,” John interrupts, “Slow down, son, jeeze. I believe you, alright? You sure did pick up a few things from Stiles,” he adds with a brief teasing grin.

“I. Maybe.” Derek rubs the back of his neck and gives up on his coffee, pushing it toward the center of the table. “We never talked about it, but it was always there. That whole thing in Mexico, and when I left with Braeden, it was close to the surface then, but it felt wrong to say anything about it then; it felt unfair. But it was… louder. My only regret leaving was that I had to leave him behind. Now, he’s out, even if it’s not as crazy here as it was, I don’t need to drag him back into this place and it’s craziness.”

John is hit by a new wave of fondness for the man across from him, and is surprised to find himself thinking of ways to get Derek and Stiles’ something to be less theoretical.

“Plus, I’m not sure if he still wants to talk to me. Not after I left him. I tried to stay in touch, but it always felt like there was more and more that I couldn’t say, and then I just. Stopped. And he stopped. I don’t know if that’s fixable. If he’d want to, even.”

John sighs, long and long-suffering, and rolls his eyes toward the ceiling. These two idiots will be the death of me. “Aw, hell, son. The two of you deserve each other! Neither one of you can manage to not ask about the other, but you run away from the conversation so fast after you could give a guy whiplash.” A pink flush rushes across Derek’s face and settles in his ears, and John feels strangely accomplished. Under the clear embarrassment, Derek looks hopeful, and John is reminded that even though they’re friends, Derek is also still mostly a kid; a kid who didn’t get much time to be one.

“Listen, Derek. I’m a pretty decent detective. Got a badge and everything,” Derek rolls his eyes at that and John thinks There’s another thing he can match Stiles at. “If you think I didn’t know about you and Stiles, that i couldn’t see the way you two always looked at each other, looked after each other, then you’re not as smart as I thought. Neither of you. That you care for each other is plain as day. And if the way he bit my head off earlier when I mentioned you is any indication, that hasn’t gone away. You just gotta decide if you’re going to make an effort to see what that something might be.”

2016-17 Ski Jumping Season - Summary! (very long post)

World Cup

Winner: Stefan Kraft

Most first places: Stefan Kraft (8)

Most second places: Andreas Wellinger (8)

Most third places: Stefan Kraft (6)

All jumpers: 140

Jumpers with points: 73

The best jumper without a single podium: Vincent Descombes Sevoie (16 place)

The worst player with at least one podium: Andreas Kofler (23 place)

All leaders:

1. Domen Prevc (25.11.2016, Kuusamo - 26.11.2016, Kuusamo) - 1 competition

2. Severin Freund (26.11.2016, Kuusamo - 4.12.2016, Klingenthal) - 1

3. Domen Prevc (4.12.2016, Klingenthal - 4.01.2017, Innsbruck) - 7

4. Daniel Andre Tande (4.01.2017, Innsbruck - 6.01.2017, Bischofshofen) - 1

5. Domen Prevc (6.01.2017, Bischofshofen - 14.01.2017, Wisła) - 1

6. Kamil Stoch (14.01.2017, Wisła - 12.03.2017, Oslo) - 10

7. Stefan Kraft (12.03.2017, Oslo - World Cup winner) - 5

Podium classification (1st-2nd-3rd):

1. Stefan Kraft (8-3-6)
2. Kamil Stoch (7-3-2)
3. Domen Prevc (4-1-1)
4. Daniel Andre Tande (2-4-0)
5. Maciej Kot (2-1-0)
6. Andreas Wellinger (1-8-3)
7. Michael Hayböck (1-1-2)
8. Severin Freund (1-1-0)
9. Peter Prevc (1-0-1)
10. Noriaki Kasai (0-1-1)
11. Robert Johansson (0-1-0)
11. Andreas Stjernen (0-1-0)
13. Markus Eisenbichler (0-0-3)
14. Manuel Fettner (0-0-2)
15. Richard Freitag (0-0-1)
15. Evgeniy Klimov (0-0-1)
15. Andreas Kofler (0-0-1)
15. Jurij Tepes (0-0-1)
15. Piotr Żyła (0-0-1)

Best competitions for nations without any individual podiums:

Bulgaria: Wladimir Zografski - 47 place in Sapporo
Czech Republic: Roman Koudelka - 5 place in Sapporo
Estonia: Kaarel Nurmsalu - 30 place in Obertsdorf and PyeongChang
Finland: Jarko Määttä - 14 place in Innsbruck
France: Vincent Descombes Sevoie - 5 place in Kuusamo
Canada: MacKenzie Boyd-Clowes - 12 place in Klingenthal
Kazakhstan: Marat Zhaparov - 44 place in Wisla
South Korea: Kim Hyun-ki - 44 place in PyeongChang
United States: Kevin Bickner - 15 place in Vikersund
Switzerland: Simon Ammann - 11 place in Sapporo
Italy: Sebastian Colloredo - 9 place in Innsbruck

Nations Cup

1. Poland - 5833 points (3733 individual + 2100 in teams)

2. Austria - 5586 points (3736 individual + 1850 in teams)

3. Germany - 5513 points (3563 individual + 1950 in teams)

Team competitions podiums:

3.12.2016, Klingenthal:

1. Poland (1. Piotr Żyła, 2. Kamil Stoch, 3. Dawid Kubacki, 4. Maciej Kot)

2. Germany (1. Markus Eisenbichler, 2. Andreas Wellinger, 3. Richard Freitag, 4. Severin Freund)

3. Austria (1. Michael Hayböck, 2. Stefan Kraft, 3. Andreas Kofler, 4. Manuel Fettner)

21.01.2017, Zakopane:

1. Germany (1. Markus Eisenbichler, .2 Stephan Leyhe, 3. Andreas Wellinger, 4. Richard Freitag)

2. Poland (1. Piotr Żyła, 2. Maciej Kot, 3. Dawid Kubacki, 4 Kamil Stoch)

3. Slovenia (1. Jurij Tepes, 2. Peter Prevc, 3. Jernej Damjan, 4. Domen Prevc)

28.01.2017, Willingen:

1. Poland (1. Piotr Żyła, 2. Maciej Kot, 3. Dawid Kubacki, 4 Kamil Stoch)

2. Austria (1. Michael Hayböck, 2. Manuel Fettner, 3. Gregor Schlierenzauer, 4. Stefan Kraft)

3. Germany (1. Markus Eisenbichler, .2 Stephan Leyhe, 3. Andreas Wellinger, 4. Richard Freitag)

11.03.2017, Oslo

1. Austria (1. Michael Hayböck, 2. Manuel Fettner, 3. Markus Schiffner, 4. Stefan Kraft)

2. Germany (1. Markus Eisenbichler, .2 Stephan Leyhe, 3. Richard Freitag , 4. Andreas Wellinger )

3. Poland (1. Piotr Żyła, 2. Kamil Stoch, 3. Dawid Kubacki, 4. Maciej Kot)

18.03.2017, Vikersund

1. Norway (1. Daniel Andre Tande, 2. Robert Johansson, 3. Johann Andre Forfang, 4. Andreas Stjernen)

2. Poland (1. Piotr Żyła, 2. Dawid Kubacki, 3. Maciej Kot, 4. Kamil Stoch)

3. Austria (1. Michael Hayböck, 2. Manuel Fettner, 3. Gregor Schlierenzauer, 4. Stefan Kraft)

25.03.2017, Planica:

1. Norway (1. Robert Johansson, 2. Johann Andre Forfang, 3. Anders Fannemel, 4. Andreas Stjernen)

2. Germany (1. Markus Eisenbichler, 2. Richard Freitag, 3. Karl Geiger, 4. Andreas Wellinger)

3. Poland (1. Piotr Żyła, 2. Dawid Kubacki, 3. Maciej Kot, 4. Kamil Stoch)

65. Four Hills Tournament

30.12.2016, Oberstdorf: 1. Stefan Kraft, 2. Kamil Stoch 3. Michael Hayböck

1.01.2017, Garmisch-Partenkirchen: 1. Daniel Andre Tande, 2. Kamil Stoch, 3. Stefan Kraft

4.01.2017, Innsbruck: 1. Daniel Andre Tande, 2. Robert Johannson 3. Evgeniy Klimov

6.01.2017, Bischofshofen: 1. Kamil Stoch, Michael Hayböck, 3. Piotr Żyła

Final classification: 1. Kamil Stoch, 2. Piotr Żyła 3. Daniel Andre Tande

Jumpers with 4/4 competitions: 34

Ski Flying World Cup

4.02.2017, Oberstdorf: 1. Stefan Kraft, 2. Andreas Wellinger 3. Kamil Stoch

5.02.2017, Oberstdorf: 1. Stefan Kraft, 2. Andreas Wellinger, 3. Jurij Tepes

19.03.2017, Vikersund: 1. Kamil Stoch, 2. Noriaki Kasai, 3. Michael Hayböck

24.03.2017, Planica: 1. Stefan Kraft, 2. Andreas Wellinger, 3. Markus Eisenbichler

26.03.2017, Planica: 1. Stefan Kraft, 2. Andreas Wellinger, 3. Noriaki Kasai

Final classification: 1. Stefan Kraft, 2. Andreas Wellinger, 3. Kamil Stoch

Jumpers with 5/5 competitions: 21

Lahti 2017

25.02.2017, individual normal hill: 1. Stefan Kraft, 2. Andreas Wellinger, 3. Markus Eisenbichler

2.03.2017, individual large hill: 1. Stefan Kraft, 2. Andreas Wellinger, 3. Piotr Żyła

4.03.2017, team large hill: 1. Poland, 2. Norway, 3. Austria

Raw Air

10.03.2017, Oslo, prolog - 1. Andreas Wellinger, 2. Peter Prevc 3. Richard Freitag

11.03.2017, Oslo, team competition - 1. Austria, 2. Germany 3. Poland

12.03.2017, Oslo, competition - 1. Stefan Kraft, 2. Andreas Wellinger, 3. Markus Eisenbichler

13.03.2017, Lillehammer, prolog - 1 Markus Eisenbichler, 2. Richard Freitag, 3. Stefan Kraft

14.03.2017, Lillehammer, competition - cancelled

15.03.2017, Trondheim, prolog - 1. Kamil Stoch, 2. Andreas Stjernen, 3. Andreas Wellinger

16.03.2017, Trondheim, competition - 1. Stefan Kraft, 2. Andreas Stjernen, 3. Andreas Wellinger

17.03.2017, Vikersund, competition (An additional competition in place of Lillehammer) - cancelled

17.03.2017, Vikersund, prolog - 1. Kamil Stoch, 2. Andreas Wellinger, 3. Domen Prevc

18.03.2017, Vikersund, team competition - 1. Norway, 2. Poland 3. Austria

19.03.2017, Vikersund, competition - 1. Kamil Stoch, 2. Noriaki Kasai 3. Michael Hayböck

Final classification: 1. Stefan Kraft, 2. Kamil Stoch, 3. Andreas Wellinger

Jumpers with full number on jumps: 11

Interesting/Fun facts:

  • Daniel Andre Tande was never 4th when Maciej Kot was 5th and vice versa.
  • Andreas Wellinger gained more second places (8) than Daniel Andre Tande fourths (7) and Maciej Kot fifths (5).
  • Poland is the only team, which had used only four players in all six team competitions.
  • Slovenia had used a total of 10 players in team competitions.
  • Poland is the only team, which had stood on the podium in all team competitions (2 wins, 2 second places, 2 third places).
  • Austria had the most used jumpers (17) and the most pointers (11)
  • Fatih Arda Ipcioglu didn’t qualified for the Lillehammer’s contest in Raw Air tournament, but that competition was cancelled later. That means Turk formally didn’t made debut in World Cup, but he was on 81 place in the RA tournament.
  • The organizers disqualified jumpers 28 times.
  • Four players gained points in every World Cup competition - Manuel Fettner, Kamil Stoch, Maciej Kot and Piotr Żyła.
  • Vincent Descombes Sevoie gained more points than Switzerland (including team competition).
  • Robert Johansson beat ski flying hill record twice (in Vikersund and Planica), but Stefan Kraft jumped further same days.
  • A total of 15 players were in the TOP10 of World Cup’s classification. Without final TOP10, were there: Severin Freund, Vincent Descombes Sevoie, Karl Geiger, Andreas Kofler, Piotr Żyła.

2016-17 in screens

(last picture was made by me :3)

2016-17 Awards (imo only)

Jumper of the season: Stefan Kraft

Revelation of the season: Robert Johansson

Disappointment of the season: Simon Ammann

Surprise of the season: Vincent Descombes Sevoie

Team of the season: Poland

Coach of the season: Stefan Horngacher (Poland)

Jump of the season: Stefan Kraft (253,5 metres in Vikersund)

Competition of the season: 18,03,2017, Vikersund, team competition

Fail of the season: Andreas Wellinger (19.03.2017, Vikersund, final RA competition)

Character of the season: Domen Prevc

SEE YOU IN 2017-18!!!

Mixed Normal Hill Teams

Team Kazakhstan
Dayana Akhmetvaliyeva
Ilya Kratov
Valentina Sderzhikova
Alexey Korolev

Team Romania
Andreea Diana Trambitas
Iulian Sorin Pitea
Dana Vasilica Haralambie
Sorin Nicolae Mitrofan

Team Canada
Natasha Bodnarchuk
Joshua Maurer
Taylor Henrich
Mackenzie Boyd-Clowes

Team Finland
Susanna Forsstroem
Ville Larinto
Julia Kykkänen
Janne Ahonen

Team Italy
Elena Runggaldier
Sebastian Colloredo
Manuela Malsiner
Davide Bresadola

Team Czech Republic
Marta Krepelkova
Jakub Janda
Barbora Blazkova
Roman Koudelka

Team USA
Nita Englund
Michael Glasder
Sarah Hendrickson
Kevin Bickner

Team France
Lea Lemare
Paul Brasme
Lucile Morat
Vincent Descombes Sevoie

Team Russia
Anastasiya Barannikova
Denis Kornilov
Irina Avvakumova
Evgeniy Klimov

Team Norway
Silje Opseth
Daniel-André Tande
Maren Lundby
Johann André Forfang

Team Japan
Sara Takanashi
Taku Takeuchi
Yuki Ito
Daiki Ito

Team Slovenia
Nika Križnar
Anže Lanišek
Ema Klinec
Peter Prevc

Team Austria
Daniela Iraschko-Stolz
Michael Hayböck
Jacqueline Seifriedsberger
Stefan Kraft

Team Germany
Carina Vogt
Markus Eisenbichler
Svenja Würth
Andreas Wellinger

Ski Jumping Awards - Germany

1. Athlete of the season (male): Andreas Wellinger. After not that good first part of the season his form exploded in Wisła. From then he was alomst in every competition on podium. He beat his personal best. He has 3 medals from lahti (1 gold, 2 silvers). And he’s just 22 years old!

Originally posted by annyoingkid

2. Athlete of the season (female): Carina Vogt. She may not be the best in th world cup, but at the most important events of the season she always do her best. In this season this means two gold medals. 

Originally posted by kulkowa

3. Team of the season: Markus Eisenbichler, Stephan Leyhe, Richard Freitag, Andreas Wellinger. This team was on every place of the podium. This team won in Zakopane. This team proved that Germany is strong enough to win a competition without Severin.

4. Top newcomer/breakthrough: Markus Eisenbichler. From the first competition he was showing that he’s strong. He achived his first podium ever in Lillehammer. He holds the record of Germany (248 meters, Planica) and he’s very important to the team, but most important he won gold and bronze medals in Lahti.

Originally posted by helminen

5. Most impressive win of the season: Severin Freund, Kuusamo. His jumps were perfect and long. It was a great pleasure to watch him then. This competition showed everyone that Severin would’ve been higher in the overall classification if it weren’t for his fall. 

6. Best competition: Zakopane, individual. This competition was a rollercoaster. Andi and Richi on the podium, Markus right behind. Most points from any competition by teem Germany (229)

7. Best podium: Lahti, individual normal hill. Both Andi and Markus on the podium on the most important even of this winter. Could it have been better? 

8. Best jump: Markus Eisenbichler, 248 m, Planica. National record. Impressive jump with good landing. 

9. Most touching moment: Andreas Wellinger losing in Raw Air. It may not be a happy moment but it deserves this palce. Disapointed Andi is something I will never forget. Fortunately he didn’t give up and in Planica he fought like he used to earlier. 

10. OTP of the season: Andreas Wellinger and Markus Eisenbichler/Stephan Lehye. Andi is just to cute for having only one ship mentioned. Wellenbichler is #podium squad goals; Lellinger is just #cuteness overload. 

Originally posted by jokkeblobfish

Originally posted by jokkeblobfish

11. Crush of the season: Andreas Wellinger. Duh. It was obvious choice, but for me it was the only right choice. I mean, look at him:

Originally posted by skijumping-stuff

Ski Jumping Awards:

There’s no point in looking at it differently. If I was in Markus Eisenbichler’s shoes, I would be very sad that everyone around me keeps questioning the fairness of the notes I received after the landing. Please, think about what he must be feeling right now. The boy got a medal, reached his life success and all he listens to are doubts if all of this was deserved. Markus is a World Championship medallist, he deserved that, period. End of story.

Kamil Stoch on speculations about Markus Eisenbichler’s notes in the normal hill competition at Lahti ski games, 2017


Markus Eisenbichler and Kamil Stoch - A Comparison (Lathi, 25. 2. 2017)

I recently read a few negative posts here on Tumblr about Markus Eisenbichler being 3rd at the World Championchips in Lathi at the normal hill competiton. These negative statements concentrate on the comparision between him and Kamil Stoch who finished at fourth place. False Judges decisions are assumed to be the main reason for this.

Since I did some analytical practices for my university studies about this competition I decided to publish some of my work here on tumblr for everyone who is interested in it. I personally enjoy posts like this, even if they are very rare (sadly). This is not meant to be offending, I just thought some of you may like to read it.

Warning: I am NOT an expert. I mean, yes, I would say I know a few things about ski juming since it is a part of my life since my childhood. But I was never trained to be a coach or anything like this, so I may miss small things. Also this is probably just half of my work since it would have been way too long otherwise.


Main Information about Points for Style

In a ski jumping competition the scoring system is based on various factors, a huge input is the judges decision about the style of a jump. 

Main Facts: 

  • Five Judges from five different nations
  • They can give points from 0.0 up to 20.0
  • The points are based on the jump, the flying position ( balance, keeping the skis steady during the flight, a good general position) and the landing (Telemark) 
  • The highest and lowest Points are cut put
  • In mens WC the average points given are 18.0


First Round

Markus Eisenbichler

  • Wind came from the back and was not considered as good, which can also be seen in the wind points he got (+4.8)
  • He managed to jump on 95.0m (while he needed around 96.0m to take the lead)
  • About his jump you can say it was quiet average, it took a bit until his skis were completly there, but in general his flying position was alright
  • The telemark landing was there, but a bit shaky, so not solid and with this not perfect

For a quiet average jump an 18.0 is perfect and would’ve also been my opinion, but since his shaky landing it is also alright to give a 17.5 here 

Markus leaves first round with a total of 128.3 Points

Kamil Stoch

  • Also in Kamils case the wind came from the back, but in general Kamil had alright wind conditions (Wind points: +0.8)
  • He managed to jump on 96.5m while he needed 100.5m to take the lead
  • His jump was pretty good, he was a bit too late while taking off but we were able to see a good flying position and a nice telemark landing

Kamils jumping style was better than Markus’ since I think 18.5 or a 19.0 is absolutely alright.

Kamil is leaving the first round with 129.8 points.

Conclusion after 1st round

  • The judges overall did a good job and I can’t disagree to them
  • Kamil did the better jump, which can be seen in the points given
  • Kamil is only 1.5 points ahead of Markus after the 1st round, but in general the jumpers in the top 10 aren’t too far away from each other (except the leading Stefan Kraft), so curenty everyone has a chance of winning a medal


Second Round

Markus Eisenbichler

  • In his second jump the wind was quiet better. He still had no perfect conditons but you could defenitly work with that (wind also got better during his jump, so he scored -0.2 wind points)
  • He managed to do a very good jump, landing on 100.5m while he only needed around 97.0m to take the lead
  • His jump was better than his first one, he had again a got flying position, but also again some problems with the landing
  • BUT it has to be said that his telemark landing was slightly better than in his first try

Here you can see a comparison between the points for his first jump (left) and his second one (right). Long story short, Markus’ second jump was better than his first one, so it should be seen in judges points.

Japan gave 1.0 points, Slovenia and USA gave 0.5 points more than in first round, which is absolutely alright to me, since it ‘only’ was slightly better. A 18.0 is also good, so I dont want to be too criticising in here. Judges did a good job.

In the end, Markus Eisenbichler is taking the lead with a total of 263.6 Points. 

Kamil Stoch

  • In Kamils second jump the wind got better (wind points: -1.8), he had the best wind conditons out of the four jumps compared here
  • He needed to jump around 100.0m, while he ‘only’ jumped on 99.0m
  • His jump was good, a nice flying position again, he has a great style for sure ! 
  • But it needs to be said, that he was too late again while taking off and his landing wasn’t as good as it was in the first round

Here you can see a comparison between the points for his first jump (left) and his second one (right). Long story short, Kamils second jump was not as good as his first one, so it should be seen in judges points.

Poland, Slovenia and Finland gave the same amount of points as they gave in the second round. A 19.0 from POL and SLO is very good hearted to be honest. I totally agree with the first jump, but also a 19.0 for his second jump is at least 0.5 points too high. Finland stayed on his 18.5 points which is good for this jump. 

USA gave 0.5 points more and now got to 19.0, which I also don’t understand to be honest, since his first jump was better than his second one.

Only Japan gave less points than in the first round, they got to 17.5, which is, to be honest, a little bit too less. A 18.0 or 18.5 would’ve done it better.

Kamil Stoch leavs the cmpetition with a total of 262.5 points.



Markus Eisenbichler finished this first world championship competition on the 3rd place 1.1 points ahead of Kamil Stoch on fourth. 

It is absolutely not alright to state that judges gave the bronze medal to Markus, since it was an overall fair rating. 

Even if japans judge would’ve give Kamil 18.0 points for his average jump Markus would’ve been ahead of him anyways. And since other judges may rated him to good he was lucky that it was so close. 

It was a fair competition, so please don’t tr to spread anything else. Markus and Kamil are both great sportsman, but this time it was just Markus beeing a tiny little bit better. So please try to be respectful.

Thank you if you read this :)