nonverbal behavior

anonymous asked:

Hi, I saw these tags & was wondering what you meant: #it's always strange seeing old clips #where he doesn't have the adhesions pulling his left jaw in #and his head moves normally #like i'm so used to his fucked up neck now. post/153835029172 i know he had jaw surgery etc, but would you mind explaining the difference before & after? Or have any gifs to illustrate the change? I don't follow him closely, so I can't quite work out what you mean by adhesions and his neck movement. Thank you! <3

You’d probably only notice it if you spent an absurd amount of time staring at his face (and did part of your PhD research in nonverbal behavior like i did maybe? lolol). It’s fairly subtle. What I’m talking about is how the left side of his jaw is basically held more tightly in to his neck than the right side of his face, which becomes more pronounced when he shakes his head or turns it. I don’t have a lot of gifs from when he was younger, but if you catch some footage of him when he’s a wee bab hockey monster,

you’ll see how his head is more square on, and when he’d turn his head, it’d turn and extend pretty evenly from left to right (though we all have our asymmetries). (also he’s only fourteen in that first one so… still lots of growing to do.) Same when he’s turning 18 - watch how much further and higher his lower left face turns and lifts than it tends to now

And in 2009, in this video, watch for how easily he looks over his right shoulder and compare it to how much more he turns his shoulders to look over his shoulder now.

And then finally, compare how he looks in that post you are talking about from right when he broke his jaw

to now. Nowadays you’ll see a little pulling in of his left lower jaw a lot more (part mannerism probably, though how much of that is just his normal mannerisms and how much is leftover from compensating for the pain/injury…), but I think partly due to how our bodies heal from traumatic injuries

What I meant by “adhesions” is that when you break your jaw and such, the points where muscles and connective tissue connect to the bone can get disrupted and then when things heal up, there’s scar tissue, things don’t attach in exactly the same place they did before due to swelling and how the shape of the bone changes, and how our bodies sometimes just slap stuff down and hope it holds and…. that’s not always best for restoring things to the way they were even if it works well enough to get the job done.

See how his head sits at an angle and how there’s a sort of tiny abrupt and angled shift in the motion forward rather than a more normal parabolic one? And when he settles his head it’s more natural to him to drop in his left jaw (though you can see he has always done that a bit with his “listening face” in those old vids)

So I suspect that he’s probably prone to some neck tightness on that side that he has to (and surely does) take care to stretch and take care of to maintain full motion and flexibility. It always seems more pronounced to me after breaks in the season and was really most obvious during the WCoH after summer - his shoulders slant a little to compensate for it too if he’s not careful.

It’s also gotten less pronounced as the year has gone on - which isn’t surprising to me, since it’s likely only going to continue to heal and normalize (though probably never be perfect) the further he gets from the jaw break. But yeah, Sid’s head does not turn smooth anymore and I’ve gotten so used to it being part of his nonverbal behavior that it’s weird to me to see old stuff where it does.

Autism Vs Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder: Is This ASD or PTSD ?

@askaboutautism and @undiagnosedautismfeels have gotten quite a few questions regarding autism and PTSD, specifically ones asking about the differences and how to tell if you’re autistic if you’ve also got PTSD. I had troubling finding resources that clearly laid out how the two could look like each other, and also what the differences were when I was first researching autism. It make figuring things out rather difficult. I also got a positive response when asking if anyone would be interested in a post like this, so as an autistic with PTSD, I’ve written up this post.

This post is written with PTSD caused by chronic or long-term trauma (often called Complex or C-PTSD, but is not officially recognized as a dx in the DSM 5) in mind, and obviously influenced by my PTSD. My official dx is PTSD (chronic per the DSM IV and still included on my records as of 2017 for some reason) with dissociative symptoms.

So, here’s the Diagnostic criteria for Autism Spectrum Disorder pulled off the CDC website. With examples of both how PTSD could resemble the ASD criteria, and how being autistic would fulfill the criteria. These are by no means exhaustive or iron-clad, they are simply a starting point.

Keep reading

In spirit of autism awareness: autism and FE:A's Cynthia

Hey guys, this is a day after that selfie day, but we’ve still got the vibes, right? I was tired last night, but tonight I want to call to mind an issue I think a lot about myself, ASD representation in the media.

The speculated “Aspies” I see in media, (L, Near, Bones, Sheldon, MIRIEL), have some stuff in common. They’re all introverted and cold, coming off sometimes as unlikable or inhuman. Of course, many Aspies ARE like this— but many AREN’T. And the “charm” and “fascinating character” of a computer-like Aspie can detriment other Aspies, who have difficulty coming to terms with their diagnosis and may have to work harder to convince others that they have ASD. I certainly have issues with it.

Fire Emblem: Awakening has two characters, Miriel and her son, Laurent, who people put on the spectrum because of, well, their cold, genius personas. And they very well could be on it, (though I’m told Laurent breaks character for a bit), but I’m not as excited about their representation. It’s been done before.

Cynthia is another character in the game, and frankly put, I believe she could actually have ASD.

Cynthia? Dimwitted, bubbly, extroverted Cynthia? Well, yes. For one thing, she does have a marked impairment with socialization, mostly due to her obsession with heroes and lack of savvy with it. She doesn’t seem to realize when her peers are talking down to her, but I’ll cover this. Here’s an excerpt of the now-retired criteria for Asperger’s syndrome, (I’m using this because it’s a little more exact than “generally on the AS):

(A) marked impairments in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body posture, and gestures to regulate social interaction:

Cynthia’s whole support with her father has her ignoring his “ummmm what” nonverbal cues when talking about her heroic entry. She doesn’t pick up on them. Maybe she’s just excited about her heroics, though her general lack of picking up on people being dishonest with her or telling stories, (Sumia), makes me think that she really has issues reading nonverbal cues.

(B) failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level:

Uh. Ye. She has friends, but they tend not to take her seriously. Severa points it out, and it’s been noted by others that she’s kind of annoying.

That’s two from that category. Now for one from the next:

(A) encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus:

HEROOOOES! But srsly, practically all of Cynthia’s supports are about her being a hero. It could be a coping mechanism, but she doesn’t stop after she meets her mother and saves the world. It’s not a temporary fix. She continues her quest to be a hero, comically, so supposedly with the same intensity of everything.

She also has poor motor skills like her mother, has a loud voice, and doesn’t seem to understand how a normal enemy’s mind works. (No, Cynthia, they will NOT wait for you to finish your lines before they attack you. :p). She takes things at face value, (her peers’ praise, Sumia’s myths), and if she was old enough to supposedly recognize Chrom, whose nickname for her she remembered should she be his daughter, she /didn’t/ recognize his face. All these are ASD symptoms.

I have said this before, but there’s a lot Cynthia could bring to the table without a “traditional” case of ASD. Unfortunately, most autistic people don’t seem to think much about what the diagnosis means, and subscribe to the “smart and antisocial” formula. This is why more people thinking of autistic!Cynthia and other characters is really neat!!!

So let’s learn more about who we are and what ASD is, and broaden our understanding! Let’s diversify our community and media representation!


anonymous asked:

what is "autistic nonverbal communication and behavior"? I saw this on the alternative diagnosis thing floating around tumblr and... very confused what is being talked about, since only neurotypicals tend to teach nonverbal communication and behavior.

it’s not a very well defined thing because, as you say, only neurotypicals tend to teach (and study) (their own) nonverbal communication and behaviour.

but that doesn’t mean that autistics don’t have it. of course, there is a lot more variation among autistic nonverbal communication and behaviour than among allistics. and for every common example that i give, there will be loads of autistics who do not do this specific thing at all. 

however, there are certain behaviours and certain types of nonverbal communication that quite often seem to happen naturally between autistics and that frequently work very well among us, but that make neurotypicals go “????” at best. 

specifically for nonverbal communication, some examples:

copying, echoing or mimicking stims, doing the same stims at the same time or doing sort of “complementing” stims, for example one person swaying side to side, the other swaying back and forth.

using stims as nonverbal communication. squeaking when excited. flapping hands when scared. swaying when agitated. the combination between feeling and stim is highly individual, but many autistics express feelings with stims. 

alternatively, complete lack of body language. communicating even highly emotional things while not doing any facial expressions or moving our bodies at all. 

autistic posture. i made a post with photos about this a while back, here’s the link. many autistics move their bodies in ways that appear “weird” or “tense” to allistics. 

apart from nonverbal communication alone, there are many other communication behaviours that are common among autistics. we have modes of conversation that autistics don’t have, for example “parallel conversations”: everyone is talking about a different subject. mutual infodumping works like this too. i may be talking about computers, my friend may be talking about birds at the same time and we’re having a good time together.

there are probably many more examples, you’re welcome to add to this.

personally, i spot these kinds of behaviour and body language quite easily and then i get very excited because it makes it so easy to engage in interaction with people who behave like i do. i’m just comfortable with them from the start. 


Neuro Linguistic Programming - a Primer

Now, first up, you may ask: why are we talking about this?
Because, in the glorious movie Kingsman: The Secret Service, the psychological construct NLP or Neuro Linguistic Programming was mentioned. Specifically, Merlin says (paraphrased) to the trainees “Let’s see how your NLP training is coming by going on a little mission. In this case, you will use it to seduce a target.” Subsequently, our star trainees attempt to strike up a conversation with the target, opening with some “negging” and Roxy’s placebo-tastic calling-out of Charlie’s supposed NLP. And because we’re all giant fandom nerds, we love our details and homages and striving to be as accurate as a minimal amount of research effort will allow us to be in writing our fics. Ahem.

Next you might be asking: who is this Trill person to be talking about this subject?
*dons nerd glasses* Well, that’s Dr. Trill to you! (jk you totes don’t have to call me that). But yes, I hold a Ph.D. in personality and social psychology, meaning I know a lot about (and have in fact generated some of) the science of stuff like this in the field of Psychology. Mmmbasically while like all scientists ever I have biases in my knowledge and am not omniscient, I know my shit here fairly well. And if you have questions I’m happy to talk all about this stuff. 

Hokay. So. What is NLP?

Basically… It’s a category of interrogation/manipulation/compliance techniques that’s about using people’s own inherent cognitive/thought structures (neuro) by choosing specific types of words and phrases and meanings (linguistic) to manipulate people into thinking/behaving the way you want them to (programming). It is not about seduction, although in the movie Merlin chooses to have them practice their skills in a seduction situation. NLP can be used for seduction. NLP can be used for other things. Not all seduction missions require NLP.

Neuro Linguistic Programming in its original form is… *drumroll please*
Absolute bullshit.

Yep. It was an over-eager application of some psychological research findings in cognitive psychology mixed with the scientific-equivalent-of-Billy Mays dudes trying to sell people some techniques to control their lives. It’s pretty much up there with homeopathy and hypnosis treatments and all that other jazz. NLP is widely considered a pseudo-science, because it started from some stuff that was maybe science but goes WAY past the domain of what real science has demonstrated (real science, i.e. the shit I do with my doctorate pals. And yes. We don’t know shit. Psychology is a baby science. A BABY. You can’t magically fix your life with FIVE HANDY PSYCH TECHNIQUES or whatever.)

Unfortunately, these techniques are still packaged up as if they’re scientifically backed and sold to people under many guises; ‘pick-up artists’ for one, and law-enforcment officers are another group off the top of my head that still practice this stuff under the NLP banner. Even when something is kicked out of psychological science, it takes almost 40 years for it to fully trickle down through most of the other places it spread to like education and law enforcement. So sad. It is, in fact, a bit ironic because the con-artists that sell stuff like this are actually using techniques for compliance and manipulation that they pretend to sell, but they aren’t actually selling what they say they’re selling. But I digress!

That’s not so say that the fundamentals of what NLP claims to stand for aren’t real. There ARE consistent or common cognitive (mental/thought) structures in people (as far as our baby science can tell, within narrow samples of particular majority groups in… well, basically in the middle-class US and some of Europe). Knowledge of how people’s cognitive structures and such function CAN enable an individual to use people’s brains against them, sometimes, maybe if you’re lucky and talented basically.

In contemporary terms, some people still use the term NLP as an umbrella term for any sort of compliance or manipulation techniques that can be used on other people with just words and nonverbal behaviors in an interpersonal interaction.

TV shows and movies love to glamorize NLP-type techniques and suggest that they can be used effectively in almost any situation (Leverage uses it to the point of tricking a guy into changing his password to what they want it to be just by dropping some numbers repeatedly into conversations and nonverbal tags. Sigh.). That is, of course, bullshit. But then we’re talking about super-secret spy gentlemen with umbrella guns and villains in neon so…

Real Compliance/Manipulation techniques:

Now I’m just going to give you a couple to start with, but there’s lots more out there. Some of this is from my own research specialty, some of it from related specialties. Some of the below is from a book called “Influence” by Bob Cialdini that compiles a lot of research on manipulation and compliance techniques, and though a lot of it is still not solidly confirmed with rigorous science, it’s about as good as you can get on the topic. FYI every marketing company and car salesperson and anyone trying to make you do anything ever is probably using a lot of this stuff against you so arm yourself and read it, it’s quite a good book! I have the 2009 edition so the stuff I read is likely 8 or so years out of date by 2015 (no, I’m not bad at math. It’s that books are slow and take years to publish so even a brand-new book is already years out of date… yes every textbook you’ve ever read from is full of misinformation, sorry kids), but it’s still a great place to start.

Foot-in-the-door technique
If you want something big from some stranger that they have no real reason to give you, let’s say to get them to come home with you, there’s a good chance that if you go up to them and say “I want you to sleep with me” you’re going to end up getting a drink in your face.
But even a stranger is likely to put up with something small. Ask for a very tiny favor, like to hold your jacket while you tie your shoelace, or something like that. This makes people more inclined to help you the next time you ask for a somewhat bigger favor. Cognitive Dissonance theory also suggests that having done a favor for someone makes you like them more (because your brain goes… 'well I wouldn’t have done that favor for them if I didn’t like them, right? Therefore I must like them’). That’s one theory. Point is, however it works, it works. Asking people for small favors that step up in magnitude will make them significantly more likely to do the big favor you want a little later.

Social Proof / Conformity techniques
This is great for spies who have other agents around to help or control over the environment. When something is uncertain, or someone is trying to make a decision, humans reflexively look to other humans to see what they’re doing. This is the herd instinct sort of behavior. If everyone is running and screaming, there’s a good chance it might be a good idea for you to run as well. So the same thing applies in other situations. If you are proposing something - like if Valentine was trying to convince someone of his evil plan - your target is much more likely to be convinced if other people (who don’t appear to be your people) are going along with it or agreeing with something you’re saying. It’s actually brilliant that he was meeting with the people in twos when he met with Tilde… if she was at all going to be susceptible to being convinced, she’d have been significantly more likely to agree when her compatriot agreed. Seeing him agree with Valentine would likely make her feel more doubt than if she’d been having the conversation alone. It’s hard to avoid. Not sure if that guy is hot? Well if someone else sitting beside you tells you they think he’s hot, chances are your puny human mind is going to go “sure I guess he’s hot” if you don’t have any reason to think otherwise. If other people want it, it must be good!

Want to make one of your friends really upset for no apparent reason? Do the following: Ask your friend for the time of day - but when they obligingly look at their watch and tell you the number, do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO THANK THEM. Do not nod, or smile, or say thanks, or anything of the sort. Just continue doing whatever you’re doing. Watch them lose their shit (or yourself become horrendously uncomfortable). Warning, this may not work with very very close friends (higher threshold for scorekeeping) or with new friends it may end up making your friend mad at you even after you explain it.
People are conditioned to have a give and take for everything they do. If you want someone to do something for you - DO A FAVOR FOR THEM. Especially one they didn’t even ask for, so now they feel uncomfortable and like they owe you something. It’s a very powerful desire for humans to see balance in a small give and take way. Don’t believe me? Look up how much the Hare Krishna made in 'donations’ before they were banned from shoving their stupid flowers in everyone’s face.

Now, you can’t necessarily MAKE someone think something later unless you’re a dreamwalker in Inception… but you can give them a nudge. Human brains are more likely to remember things that are Recent, Primal, or Familiar. This means, if I gave you a string of fifty words and asked you to remember them, you’d be most capable of remembering the words at the end, the words at the beginning, and any words that appeared in frequency (like if I named a bunch of different berries, boysenberry, strawberry, you’d have a better time remembering that there were berries). Familiarity can also refer to the fact that you remember things better if they pertain to you - e.g. you remember this new stranger’s name is Colin because you once named your dog Colin, or, you remember the name of the place someone told you they’d gone because you’ve always wanted to go there.
So if you’re clever, you can basically sortof make someone remember something you want them to at a later time by taking advantage of these three things that make it easier for them to form memories about what you’re telling them.

Briefly, one more thing; you like someone better if they are similar to you in some way. If they tell you that they like mint-chip ice cream, and you like mint-chip ice cream, you just somewhere in your brain go YASSS THIS IS A GOOD CREATURE I LIKE THEM for really no good reason. This is great for spies who have all sorts of inappropriate personal info on their targets!
Similarly, nonverbal behaviors like (SUBTLY - it backfires bigtime if they catch you) mimicking a person’s behaviors can lead them to feel a heightened sense of rapport with you, feeling more engaged in the interaction and liking you more. So if they drink their drink, have a sip of yours at the same time. If they gesture, you gesture in your agreements or fix your hair or move your glass on the table so that you’re both moving together. If they lean back and cross their legs, you lean back and cross your legs. It’s about being in sync with each other, and it’s not hard to do if you want to.

… okay that was a lot.

There’s so, SO much more than that, but I could literally talk about this shit for hundreds of pages, so I’m going to stop there and hopefully that’s given you something to start with! GO FORTH AND MANIPULATE (you’re going to use your powers for good, right? Right…)

anonymous asked:

have you explained or would you tell the reason Chara and Frisk ended up in the Underground?

I think I have something on that in the heacanon page?
Well, I don’t think I’ve ever explained Frisk’s tbh…

I’ve talked about Frisk hiding their feelings before. You know, when you don’t want anyone to feel bad because of you, so you hold it for yourself? Frisk does that all the time. And it’s terrible for them when things aren’t going well, they usually just bottle it up forever until everything gets better. It’s a bad habit.

Frisk has always had friends, but they never had someone they could call a “best friend”. So, being in good terms with everyone doesn’t mean you can’t feel lonely. To make it worse, not everyone knows how to read sign language, and not everyone has the patience to wait for them to say full sentences.

Finally, Frisk’s “uncommon” behavior(nonverbal, flirty and, well, “amab who is too “girly”“) made it harder for them to adapt to the new family after being adopted. They didn’t want to change, but they had to if they wanted to make everyone happy.
Frisk was unhappy with not being their self anymore.
Maybe, if Frisk really was so weird and broken,
Maybe they were a problem for everyone