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Thoughts On Regeneration

I had some time to think about Doctor Who today. As I was crying over just how much Ten lost during his time, I started thinking of how the age and personality variations in the regeneration process work.

Nine became Ten out of wanting to keep Rose safe. Ten was made to be easy to love, especially for Rose. (if you don’t believe this, I invite you to rewatch seasons 2-4 again). But to also be ruthless if he needed to be. Ten became Eleven, a much younger, far more youthful man. I think that this is because after all the heartbreak and loss he went through, he needed a mind who could start fresh. A face and personality that could easily make friends. It’s the opposite when Eleven becomes Twelve. At this time, he knows that Gallifrey is still out there, so he needs a personality that is going to get shit done and take shit from no one. One who could work alone productively if needed.

My theory is that appearance and personality after regeneration is based on what The Doctor subconsciously needs. Any thoughts?

Here’s Another Doctor Who Ship Rant None Of You Asked For

Okay.

After “Hell Bent,” I’ve been seeing a lot of comparisons between what Twelve did for Clara over what Ten did for Rose (And if you’re going to compare, then you should also probably add in what Eleven did for River, but I digress), but you can’t compare those actions for one very simple reason that everyone seems to forget.

Ten and Twelve, while different aspects of the same person, are still their own, different people.

Ten burned up a sun to say goodbye to Rose, because that’s how much he loved her (Romantically, platonically, however you view it).

Twelve cheated death/spent billions of years in a confession dial, because that’s how much he loved Clara (Romantically, platonically, however you view it).

Nine absorbed the time vortex to keep Rose alive, because that’s how much he loved her (Romantically, platonically, however you view it).

Eleven was going to let River kill him before she was even the woman he was going to fall in love with, because that’s how much he loved her (Romantically, platonically, however you view it).

And those are just his romantic love interests.

For example, Eleven risked practically turning into a Dalek for Amy.

Each Doctor loves in his own way. No love is greater than another simply because there was a bigger gesture involved.

Why I hate Rose Tyler

I don’t like Rose because she’s selfish, unlikable, self-centered, entirely codependent on The Doctor, many of her actions is like that of a sociopath and she never develops as a character at all and really if there is one person in all of Doctor Who who does not have a life outside The Doctor it’s Rose. She was likable with Nine(despite that she treated Mickey like shit) but annoyingly obsessive with Ten. She may be a good companion for Nine and Ten but she treats people like playthings then tosses them away like they’re nothing to her unless it suits bringing her closer to her precious Doctor. Because of Rose leaving the fans wouldn’t give Martha(who is an awesomely underrated companion) a chance and treat her like an abomination. She pretty much turned Ten from a ancient alien who travels the universe for fun into a love sick human with emotions and the forced unbearable romance between her and Ten which then resulted in fans going “OMG Rose is the only one true love for The Doctor” I’m sick of it, I’m sick of the fans and I’m sick of Rose Tyler.

Maybe I should explain. At first I liked her in the beginning, she was a good companion to Nine in series 1 but after a while she just seems so bad as a companion. There are sometimes where I like her like from stopping The Doctor from killing the last Dalek something he might regret(well not really since The Fifth Doctor regretted not killing The Daleks when he had the chance and The Seventh Doctor manipulated Davros into blowing up Skaro and talked a Dalek into killing itself), she saved The Doctor from The Daleks, she saved Jack and that allowed him to change Torchwood in The Doctor’s name and for the better, she saved Donna in Turn Left and brought Donna back to The Doctor to warn him, she stopped “The Beast(refuse to call this Satan because there would at least be interesting dialogue between The Doctor and Satan), and she did make him better(not really since The Doctor is and has always been a mysterious mad alien anti-hero who travels the universe for fun) in a way. But let’s get to why I don’t like her. Okay at first she seems perfectly normal. She has a good job, a mother and boyfriend who loves her but one fateful day when The Autons appear she meets The Doctor. The problem? She may love The Doctor but she treats people like playthings and tosses them aside when she’s done with them. How she treats Mickey. For series 1 she has this stupid boy on her string and he is so hopeless that he doesn’t know or has any choice or say in the matter. While he was her boyfriend she ran off with a stranger she just met, left him alone without so much as a goodbye and he was to blamed for her year of absence, everyone including Jackie thought he killed her (‘cause really, it’s a bloody MIRACLE that Mickey’s still alive after that long given how Britain can be in situations like that, especially when it’s a black man accused of killing a white woman). and when she see’s him all she says is “I was gonna call you and I’m sorry” at that moment it made me impossible to like her. and she gets all whiny when he says he moved on because she expects him to wait for her like a loyal lapdog wow just wow. Jackie her mother. She leaves her without so much as a goodbye, lets her worry for a year,  she can’t trust Jackie enough to just tell her where she’s been. She doesn’t have to tell the police or whoever else, just her mum. And she doesn’t. Nor does she ever thank Mickey for keeping her secret for a whole FREAKING YEAR and ruining his life! That’s some freaking dedication. That guy needs a medal. and finally The Doctor. At times Doctor/companions romance is love/hate for me but the bad thing in Rose’s case is they shove it down our throats. 99% of the time, The Doctor or someone else had to rescue Rose, or if she did the rescuing, she screwed up things worse than before. From a psychological perspective, with The Doctor just returning from the Time War because of this dependency thing. He HAS to rescue her, without killing her. Now Nine and Rose together I liked because Nine and Rose brought out the best in each other where Ten and Rose brought out the worst in each other. But I found this on why I find Ten/ Rose unbearable “I think That Rose took the war-torn, conscienceless Ninth Doctor and helped him realize his human side. Then the human-like Tenth Doctor and Rose became arrogant and started to think of themselves as gods. That is why The Tenth Doctor is unbearable to me. You know, surprisingly enough, I was just thinking about this a while back and I realised what was bothering me about Ten and Rose’s relationship; and why the majority of us can see it was so toxic for both of them. Not only was Rose attempting to treat Ten like a human, Ten was attempting to treat Rose like a Time Lady. Think about it for a moment. Anyone who’s watched Classic Who as well as New Who will get what I mean immediately. Ten treats Rose exactly like he treated Romana. Which he should never have done. Sometimes he puts Rose in situations requiring abilities and intelligence far beyond human capabilities. And Rose tries, because, like a lot of The Doctor’s companions, she wants to impress him and make him proud. But Rose can’t do the majority of these things, and it’s not fair of The Doctor to have made her attempt them. It allowed Rose to put unrealistic expectations upon herself And over time, you see The Doctor realizes this. But he can’t bring himself to stop until it’s too late and Rose refuses to leave him for her own safety. This is the fault of Ten. He’s become too human-like and thinks Rose is now his equal, like Romana was to him previously. But The Doctor is not human and Rose is not Time Lord. They are not equals. This is even more saddening when you bring the time-locking of Gallifrey into it. The Doctor is desperate for someone to be like him, survivors guilt, he doesn’t want to be alone. Rose’s fault is she wanted The Doctor to be human. The Doctor’s fault is he wanted Rose to be a replacement for his lost people, so, with the hive mind of a Time Lord, he adapted to what Rose wanted. And Rose wanted a forever, and that could never be.”  I may ship certain Doctors with certain companions(Three x Jo, Four x Romana, Five x Nyssa, Six x Peri, Eight x Charley, Nine x Rose, Eleven x River and The Doctor x TARDIS) but I just prefer to the idea of the original director during the First Doctor’s era that The Doctor should be and should remain asexual and it just feels wrong and out of character that The Doctor falls in love with his companions, to me it should just be best friends traveling time and space in The TARDIS like Sarah Jane Smith, Ace,  and Donna Noble.


Now let’s talk about the things she does episode wise that isn’t the way she treats Mickey, Jackie and The Doctor.  Father’s Day. I hate this episode because I hate her. So Rose saves her dad, something that the Doctor told her she couldn’t ever do. And yeah, if my dad died and I had a chance to save him, I would want to as well. She isn’t evil or bad for wanting to save him, she’s just stupid for actually doing it. When the Doctor tells her he’s going to leave, she says, “You don’t scare me! You’ll come back!” like she’s so fucking entitled that he’s beholden to her. And when she finally realizes what she’s done, she gives him a half-assed apology because she knows that’s all she has to give him.

Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways. She’s not too bad in this, except for raping the TARDIS and all. She does genuinely want to help the Doctor and Jack save the people on Satellite 5 and she does listen to what the Doctor tells her to do, except for the whole stay home part. And now, I”m going to give her a little leeway right here. Because if I was in that situation, I’d try whatever I could to save the Doctor too. That makes sense. But the poor TARDIS is like “Um, sweetie, no.” and Rose doesn’t listen. And no, I’m not going to blame her for the Doctor regenerating because she wouldn’t have known that was going to happen. That isn’t her fault. She was trying to help.

But when the Doctor DOES regenerate, she refuses to accept it. And yeah, I admit that it would be weird and probably scary if you didn’t know it was coming. And not to mention confusing. But she spends the whole Christmas episode whining to her mom about how he left her. He explained this to you, he’s the same person. AND HELLO, HE DID IT TO SAVE YOUR LIFE, YOU UNGRATEFUL TWAT.

And season 2 is when she starts getting really bad. I can deal with her in season 1, but I can’t even watch season 2 because of her. In Tooth ANd Claw she makes a bet with Ten that she can make the Queen say "I am not amused” yeah this would be funny if it wasn’t for the fact that there was an assassination plot AND A FUCKING WEREWOLF THAT WAS FUCKING KILLING PEOPLE! She’s mildly annoying up until School Reunion, when we see the brilliant Sarah Jane Smith return. Rose gets stupidly defensive for no reason, like she should be the only one who’s ever traveled with the Doctor. She knows how old he is, it’s not ridiculous that he’d be friends with other people. Get over it. She treats Sarah Jane terribly because of this. To her credit, they’re friends at the end, but that doesn’t discount the way that Rose acted.

And then we have The Girl In The Fireplace. Rose gets pissy because the Doctor finds himself friends with Madame de Pompadour. Rose obviously feels threatened by her, because she treats her like crap too. And now Mickey is with the group, though Rose is basically still ignoring him. (The Doctor does feel some attraction to her, but Madame de Pompadour is freaking brilliant.) And she doesn’t treat Rose the way that Rose treats her.

And in the two Cybermen episodes, she gets clingy over her dad (who isn’t her dad) who she thinks is also beholden to her in someway. He isn’t her real dad, but she acts like he should adopt her or something. She assumes he’s going to automatically accept her, and when he doesn’t, she gets all hurt like it’s his fault. And then, she suddenly gets upset when Mickey leaves, like she actually cared whether he was there or not.

Fast forward to The Impossible Planet, where the Doctor is faced with the most horrifying thing imaginable: living a normal life. Rose automatically decides they’re going to be living together, something that The Doctor doesn’t say anything about. The idea of being forced into one place and time is something he hates, but she’s happy to back him into a corner as long as she gets her fairytale.

And oh god, Love and Monsters. Rose gets mad at Alton for upsetting her mum. UM, WHO HAS BEEN THE ONE UPSETTING HER MUM FOR THE LAST TWO SEASONS? AND TREATING HER LIKE SHIT? Oh yeah, Rose has.

And Doomsday. She was trying to help the Doctor save the world and got trapped in the parallel universe. Okay. She gets credit. Credit where credit is due. EXCEPT HOLY GOD, THE BEACH SCENE. “I can’t come to the beach and see you, if I do it will blow a hole in spacetime and both universes will collapse.”

And what’s her answer? “So?”

SO?!?!?!? FUCKING ‘SO’? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? “I don’t care about killing my family and trillions and trillions of people, destroying all the planets everywhere and taking away all the days that never came, I just want to hug you.”

REALLY? Okay, I get that you’re sad. I’d be sad too. But I wouldn’t jeopardize the future of my family and two universes for fucking sentiment. And, FYI, she’d be killing the Doctor too. He kind of lives in one of those universes.

AND REALLY Rose was prepared to leave her mother, father and Mickey in a parallel universe. She was willing to throw away her family, friends and old life just to be with her precious Doctor. Hell Rose would sacrifice everyone, anything and everything in the universe to be with her precious Doctor and you know it’s fucking true.

So, fast forward to the end of season 4. She is responsible for Donna’s death in Turn Left. She whines and complains that Martha is there with the other companions and she isn’t but that’s not what gets me about Rose in series 4.  She builds a fucking dimension cannon to do EXACTLY WHAT THE DOCTOR TOLD HER NOT TO. I am 100% convinced that if Davros & The Daleks weren’t involved with series 4, then it would be Rose’s fault that the universes are collapsing and the stars are going out because Rose couldn’t stay put, she couldn’t be content and so codependent and so sociopathic that she’d be willing to sacrifice trillions and billions of lives just so she could be with her precious Doctor. But anyway, she builds the cannon and jumps back to her original universe. She puts trillions of people in danger, AGAIN, because she can’t live without her man. And then she gets a stupidly undeserved happy ending.

People often complain that Moffat’s companions have no life outside The Doctor, but really? They do. ALL the New Who companions have lives outside The Doctor except for Rose. If there is anyone in all of New Who who does not have a life outside The Doctor, it’s Rose Tyler. That’s right the very first companion of New Who and the one that most of you love and the one I absolutely despise has no life outside The Doctor. Now why do I think this? Now before The Doctor she DID have a life outside The Doctor but her job at the shop ended when the Autons attacked. But ever since The Doctor? Nothing she has had no life outside The Doctor. Oh sure she may go visit Jackie from time to time but other than that? She has nothing. She is clingy and obsessive over The Doctor. In Doomsday she was practically insulting herself, putting down her old life and acted like she didn’t matter till she met The Doctor(and people call Moffat sexist) and she practically told Jackie that the 19 years of life she gave her didn’t matter and all she needed was The Doctor, all she needed was a man! She has no character arc, she has no development, she does not care for ANYONE except The Doctor, she treats everyone who is not The Doctor like puppets on a string as a means to an end to help her get to The Doctor and tosses people like old used toys when she’s done with them, she acts like her old life, Jackie and Mickey do not matter, and she was willing to destroy billions and trillions of lives just so she could be with The Doctor

 I’m sorry if I offended any fans of Rose but I really don’t like Rose, I liked her when she was traveling with Nine but that’s it. I liked Billie Piper as The Moment’s Conscience and the sassy personality it had(and wish Rose was more like it) I like Billie as an actress and a singer. Again I’m sorry if this offends her fans but I just don’t like Rose.

If you can’t imagine your otp all up in each other’s personal space, smirking at each other and saying ‘you’re gay.’ 'no you’re gay.’ 'no, you’ then I don’t know what kind of otp you have but I want no part of it.

Bonus points if the couple is actually straight

Still Into You
Paramore
Still Into You

Can’t count the years on one hand

That we’ve been together

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I need the other one to hold you.

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Make you feel, make you feel better.

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It’s not a walk in the park

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To love each other.

But when our fingers interlock,

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Can’t deny, can’t deny you’re worth it

‘Cause after all this time.

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I’m still into you

I should be over all the butterflies

But I’m into you (I’m into you)

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And baby even on our worst nights

I’m into you (I’m into you)

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Let them wonder how we got this far

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Cause I don’t really need to wonder at all

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Yeah after all this time

I’m still into you

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Recount the night that I first

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Met your mother

And on the drive back to my house

I told you that, I told you that I loved ya.

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You felt the weight of the world

fall off your shoulder

And to your favorite song

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We sang along to the start of forever

And after all this time.

I’m still into you

I should be over all the butterflies

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But I’m into you (I’m into you)

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And baby even on our worst nights

I’m into you (I’m into you)

Let them wonder how we got this far

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Cause I don’t really need to wonder at all

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Yeah after all this time

I’m still into you

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Some things just,

Some things just make sense

And one of those is you and I

Some things just,

Some things just make sense

And even after all this time

I’m into you

Baby not a day goes by that

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I’m not into you

I should be over all the butterflies

But I’m into you (I’m into you)

And baby even on our worst nights

I’m into you (I’m into you)

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Let them wonder how we got this far

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Cause I don’t really need to wonder at all

Yeah after all this time

I’m still into you

I’m still into you

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I’m still into you

 

ink-n-paper-love replied to your post “Lmao I don’t watch the show anymore and the news about river upset me….”

I don’t want to cause you the pain, but it’s said she actually met most if not all of the Doctor’s regenerations. I searched and on her tardis wiki page one can actually read what her reactions towards the Doctors were. It was…what I expected.  It’s seems it’s basically what Moffat thinks of them, just said in Alex’ voice. Apperantly she set Nine off because she mentioned the Time War “and learned very quickly it was a bad idea to discuss it at all.”

fic: future visitation

Ao3

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They’re in a bar on Zuphrox Nine, somewhere he’s taken Rose and Jack to have a nice cool scotch or two after a hard day’s adventuring. Jack drags Rose towards a jukebox to pick out some tunes, and a woman slides onto the stool next to the Doctor’s. His eyes remain fixed on Rose Tyler - just to make sure she’s all right, of course, given that she’s a little tipsy after downing that bright pink concoction Jack had bought her. He picks up the tiny embellished umbrella Rose had playfully thrown at him after scooping it out of her drink, and twirls it around, opening and closing it absently as he watches her laugh and -

“Can I get you a drink?” says the woman from beside him, and he turns to her obligingly, giving her a quick and pleasant grin.

“I’m fine, ta.” He nods towards his untouched glass, and returns his gaze to his friends. Jack’s got her dancing, now, never mind the fact that no one else is on the dancefloor. Still, no one seems to mind, or pay them the slightest bit of attention. The Doctor feels a stab of something low under his ribcage, and realises with a pulse of alarm that he’s a little jealous. It’s only been days since Jack came aboard, since that lovely dance in the console room the Doctor had enjoyed with Rose. His eyes narrow on the way Jack pulls her in close.

“I can intercept, if you like,” someone says, and he jumps as he notices the woman with impressive curly hair is still right there next to him.

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I really need a Doctor and Rose Tyler’s Spin off.

Yesterday I was staring at my mum, trying to not crying because of The End Of Time p.2, running on TV.
Through my tears, I figured out that I really need to know. To know what happened to Tentoo and Rose in Pete’s world. To see their kisses (we only see one, and believe me, it’s not enough). I want to see them running, to save bilions of people, to save Earth from a kind of aliens and to see them together.
I miss their smiles, their looking, I miss their passion, their wonderful relationship, the way how they save each other.

I miss Ten and Rose, from the Russell T Davies Era.

Don’t you miss them too?