neverendingepilogue  asked:

It's actually funny that your conversation has delved into the "Why doesn't God...?" territory, because Kirk Cameron is actually releasing a movie about him just thinking about that. Well, him thinking, plus all the traditional Christian emotional cinematography. It's called "Unstoppable".

I actually think I might live without seeing that. :)

BUT I’m tempted to watch it, anyway.  It’s been my experience that apologists really don’t have anything new to say, although they do come up with ways of saying the old stuff differently sometimes.  I might be interested in hearing if some of my “Why doesn’t God…?”’s are addressed at all.

To me, the biggest “Why doesn’t God…?” is why doesn’t he make his existence even slightly apparent, when (in Cameron’s world) in not doing so he condemns literally billions of people to eternal torture?  I find it hard to imagine any reason that could possibly justify that.

neverendingepilogue  asked:

What do you then say to the argument that the religious identity has little to do with the crime unless the crime was invoked by doctrine and/or religious philosophy of the criminal. This is sort of the "Christianity accounts for believers still having a sin nature" argument. Of course you could argue that doctrine of some religions has both subtle and blatant effects on the valuing and treatment of certain demographics. I just wanted to hear your thoughts.

Hard to say.  I’ve never really studied religion as it relates to crime.  Thinking out loud?  Many people act out because of what they believe that their “god” is telling them.  Does this god bear any real resplendence to the god in their holy book?  Had they NOT been raised in a certain religion, would they just manifest a different being speaking to them, say an alien, or perhaps invent an entirely new god?  Could ardent belief in a god, disregarding the specific doctrines, still encourage delusional and dangerous behavior?

I can’t answer these questions, nor am I entirely certain that the answers are relevant.  There are people with mental illnesses.  Whether encouraged by religion or not, it is clear that most people who believe in religion are not mentally ill.  Let us then treat the illness and leave religion out of it.  There is enough to blame religion (bigotry) for without laying something this nebulous on their doorstep as well.