Reel New Hawaii (the news site that first revealed the ‘Inhumans’ filming date and location) are reporting that Marvel are eyeing the state as the filming location for a secret ‘Namor’ project. Production Weekly also has ‘Sub-Mariner’ listed as a project going into production soon, adding further evidence. It’s currently unknown whether the project will be a movie or a TV show. As of right now this is strictly a rumor and has not been officially confirmed by Marvel!
Justice League Action: The Future Family/
Doc Future, Vanishing Queen, Fireball, and Golem
A hero team from Earth-8
When scientist Frank Future, his wife Sophie Drizzle, her brother Jerry Drizzle and his best friend Bjorn Andersen went to space they were blasted with cosmic radiation gaining Fantastic powers in the process!
Together they fight the villainous Lord Havok! the armored sorcerer ruler of Slovekia, Mr. Nebula! the consumer of planets and his herald the Blue Boarder, Annihilate! who is aking of his own dimension, and Barracuda! the ruler of Atlantis on Earth 8.
(notes: the names Vanishing Queen, Sophie and Jerry Drizzle, Bjorn Andersen came from the Inferior Five comics Kookie Four who were pastiches of the Fantastic Four, while the name Fireball came from the Crusaders who were pastiches of Marvel’s Invaders with the Human Torch robot being called Fireball and Namor being called Barracuda)
The Wakandan-Atlantian War, an important plot point of
Jonathan Hickman’s New Avengers, has become one of the more memorable events in Black Panther lore. The war, in
retrospect, was an event ripe with inevitable clashes: Wakanda clashing with
Atlantis; Queen Shuri clashing with Prince Namor; T’Challa’s “bigger picture”
perspective clashing with his obligations to his nation.
What began with a surprise attack by Namor during the events
of Avengers vs. X-Men escalated into a full-scale war, resulting in tremendous
loss of life on both sides, the eventual destruction of both nations, and the
apparent “deaths” of both Shuri and Namor.
In the midst of all this was the incursion crisis, which
greatly affected T’Challa–the King of the Dead—and his relationship with his
nation. While publicly affirming his responsibilities to his nation (including
swearing to kill Namor), he decided to work secretly with Namor and the Illuminati
to save the planet from imminent death.
In this write up, I’ll mostly focus on the motivations of
the key players of the war. The first player was an unexpected, but critical one.
THE WAKANDAN PEOPLE
This is a rare instance in which the Wakandan
people were a factor in influencing a major conflict in the Marvel Universe.
Usually, that rested solely on T’Challa, his enemies, and/or his inner circle, as far as Wakanda was concerned.
This time was different, and rightfully so. Namor’s attack
on Wakanda was the third known successful attack by an outsider (following
Morlun and Doom) and his attack was by far the most public attack of the bunch.
There were no doubts on who attacked and how the attack happened. A significant portion of Wakanda was destroyed
and the death toll was high.
Simply put, the Wakandan people had enough and demanded
retribution. We never got to see the general population on panel but their
stance was made clear by members of the Wakandan government, and said
government members agreed with the people.
Wakandan officials went even further: Wakanda must also send a message to the world. Atlantis
must be crushed, showing the world that no one openly attacks Wakanda without
This was the political environment in Wakanda at the time,
and it greatly affected the motivations of…
Shuri’s stance on Atlantis and war with Atlantis was very
It’s easy to say that Namor’s attack alone was enough for her to
take such a stance, but there’s more to to it.
Additional context can be found as far back as the Skrull Invasion during the
events of Secret Invasion.
During T’Challa’s reign, the Skrulls attempted to invade
Wakanda, only to be annihilated. This was a decisive victory that also served
as a message to future invaders.
Yet, under Shuri’s reign, outsiders managed to successfully attack
Wakanda on three occasions, all of them resulting in notable loss of Wakandan
lives. The previous two attacks didn’t receive too high of a reaction due to their
respective nature: Morlun’s attack was seemingly a one-off and he ended up
trapped in Limbo. Meanwhile, Doom’s coup was so secretive and covert that the
Wakandan monarchy didn’t have enough proof to publicly accuse Doom of it.
Namor’s attack was so brazen, so public, and so deadly, that
it practically put Shuri on the spot. Combine that with high public opinion for
war, her own strong opinions on protecting Wakandan sovereignty and her tumultuous
relationship with Namor—which I’ve written in detail here—and it’s not too
surprising that she stood firm in deciding to go to war.
It would’ve taken an incredible reason for Shuri to possibly
decide not to go to war, and even that may have not been enough. That
incredible reason was unknown to her, but it was known to…
The incursion crisis forced Namor and the Illuminati to work
with T’Challa in secret to find a solution. Considering the magnitude of the
threat, Namor and T’Challa begrudgingly decided to temporarily put their
differences aside to tackle the issue head on.
This was easier said than done. While the incursion crisis was
ongoing, Namor was engaged in a cold war with Shuri. Wakandan and Atlantian
forces and officials clashed on several occasions, with each nation committing
retaliatory acts on one another. This caused an even greater strain between Namor and T’Challa’s partnership.
Despite being very confident in his forces’ abilities to
defeat Wakanda, Namor approached T’Challa with an offer of peace, in light of
the incursion crisis: cessation of Wakandan hostilities in exchange for
This olive branch, however, didn’t come entirely out of goodwill: Namor knew
that such an offer being accepted at that moment could destabilize Wakanda from
within. The Wakandan people demanded retribution and Shuri accepting the offer
could mark the end of her reign. As it turned out, elements from within Wakanda
were colluding with Namor in an attempt to topple Shuri’s rule.
It’s also important to mention that, throughout the war, Namor showed little to no remorse for his initial attack. As it turned out, he had no regrets committing such a grievous act.
As far as Namor was concerned, he was facing a win/win so
long as the incursion crisis was being handled, an optimistic stance he would
later regret. Things, however, weren’t
going so smoothly for…
T’Challa is known for his pragmatism and his inclination for
looking at the bigger picture. The war greatly put those principles to the
test, at a great cost to his relationship with his nation.
Believing that the incursion crisis was a far bigger threat
(and it was), T’Challa decided to work with Illuminati to solve it. Working
with the Illuminati meant working with Namor, the man who had Wakandan blood on
his hands. Even so, T’Challa and Namor worked together to solve the problem,
both agreeing that the incursions were the bigger threat.
In addition to working with the Illuminati, T’Challa agreed
to keep the incursions a secret. The Illuminati believed that they would work
far more efficiently and expediently if they kept a lid on the crisis.
Yet, things weren’t going smoothly from T’Challa’s
perspective. The Dora Milaje agreed to keep Namor’s presence on Wakandan soil a
secret for T’Challa’s sake, but they strongly disagreed with T’Challa working
with an enemy of Wakanda. Meanwhile, Namor and Shuri were engaged in a cold
war, inching their respective nations closer to a full-scale conflict as the incursion
crisis was ongoing.
Namor’s unexpected offer of peace didn’t allay T’Challa’s
concerns. He knew that this offer could have dire consequences to the domestic
affairs of Wakanda. He also didn’t trust Namor and suspected that he wouldn’t keep
his word concerning his offer.
Nonetheless, T’Challa felt peace was the best path to ensure
that the incursion crisis would be solved. He argued for peace during the
Wakandan war council meeting (while keeping the incursions a secret). It’s
there that we first see members of the Wakandan government openly disrespecting
him, something we would’ve not seen previously and would continue to occur as
the war went on.
This is just one of many decisions T’Challa made based on
what he believed was due to pragmatism and the greater good. Unfortunately for
him, the clash between achieving said greater good and the expectations of his nation
continued, and the price he paid for choosing the former continued to grow.
I sure can’t wait until Marvel brings Namor into the MCU so we can have our old school Defenders team. I cant wait until they adapt the classic story where Doctor Strange, Namor, and Hulk are captured by Dormammu amd his sister Umar. While Strange and Namor are getting tortured Hulk gets laid and relaxs so well that he turns back into Bruce.
Which pisses off Umar that she demands he changes back
Which he cant do and meanwhile Namor and Strange have freed themselves from torture
So then Strange makes a deal with Umar to bring down Dormammu and his evil plans
Just so I can have this scene in the MCU:
Hahaha, yup sure can’t wait for the next Doctor Strange movie . 😁😀😃
Ruler of Atlantis, mutant, and the very first Marvel
character ever created.
-Amphibious physiological adaptation
When it comes to Shuri’s greatest adversaries, Namor couldn’t be topped; not even by someone as dangerous as Proxima Midnight. What sets Namor apart from most characters is his political position as ruler of Atlantis. This position, combined with Shuri’s position as ruler of Wakanda at the time, resulted in a political clash that we don’t often see in mainstream comics.
Namor’s relationship with Shuri went from starting off on the wrong foot, to entering a phase of détente, to
deteriorating very quickly, to becoming irreparable. Considering the personalities involved, it was perhaps inevitable that they would clash in a
major way.If it wasn’t for the common relationship they both shared with T’Challa,
they would’ve been at each other’s throats much sooner.
Their relationship ended up being costly not just to themselves
but also their respective nations, causing a major amount of destruction and
loss of life via the Wakandan-Atlantian War.
The war also showed that Namor was as big of a threat politically as he was physically. Shuri and
Namor had both their nations enter a cold war phase prior to the
escalation of hostilities, with both sides sporadically clashing in various parts of the
The issue of Namor even managed to severely strain Shuri’s
relationship with T’Challa. At one point, the siblings’ relationship, which has always
been very strong, nearly reached the “irreparable” stage as well.
Overall, the Shuri-Namor relationship ended being one of distrust, hostility, disrespect, and outright hatred. Once the war went into
full gear, whatever chances of these two rulers easing tensions between each other disappeared.
It all started with a misunderstanding.
Shuri was investigating who was responsible for nearly T’Challa
during the events of “Deadliest of the Species.” Thanks to false evidence
planted by the Desturi, Shuri concluded that Namor may have been responsible
for the attack. Shuri confronted Namor about it and Namor—in a rather dismissive manner—denies being
responsible. Shuri wasn’t convinced and after several insults towards each
other, they fought.
Thanks to an intervention by the Fantastic Four, Namor and Shuri stopped fighting. Once things calm down, Namor insisted that he had nothing to do T’Challa being harmed. Reed Richards not only
agrees, but provides evidence that shows that Namor indeed wasn’t responsible.
Shuri, Namor, and the Fantastic Four decide to work together to go after a lead
to someone who may actually be responsible, or at the least know who was.
Shuri and Namor worked effectively together and they eventually find Walter Declun
in a secret facility. Declun, in turns out, was directly to the Desturi and Dr.
During the events of Avengers vs X-Men, Namor was possessed
by the Phoenix Force, which greatly enhances ones abilities and possible
reveals one’s true personality. Angered by Wakanda harboring the Avengers and
seemingly holding the mutant Transonic captive (we have no idea if Transonic
was captive or not, as it wasn’t shown in later issues), Namor decides to
attack Wakanda with Atlantian forces. Namor drew first blood via a deadly,
Whatever phase of détente between Namor and Shuri went away
that instant. Thousands of Wakandans were killed and a great amount of the
Wakandan capital was destroyed. Namor became public enemy number one and the
Wakandan people demanded retribution.
In the midst of these high tensions, T’Challa discovers an
end-of-the-world phenomenon called “incursions.” Unsure on how to solve the
problem, he decides to invite the Illuminati to the Necropolis. Namor was a
part of the Illuminati and his (secret) presence in Wakandan soil caused tension between T’Challa and the Dora Milaje.
Tensions between Wakanda and Atlantis continued to grow, with
Wakandan and Atlantian forces clashing despite not being officially at
war. Namor decided to approach T’Challa with an offer for Shuri: a cessation of
hostilities between both nations and a promise by Namor that he would offer
favorable terms. T’Challa warns Namor that Shuri will refuse the offer, but
Namor feels T’Challa can convince her to accept it.
It’s also during that conversation that Namor reveals that
there are elements within the government that want Shuri out of power, and have
been colluding with Namor and the Atlantians during the cold war between both
Namor’s offer for an end of hostilities, in reality, was him
trying to get his cake and eat it too. If Shuri were to accept his offer, he no
longer would have to worry about Wakanda while working on solving the incursion
crisis. However, Namor likely sensed that the majority of Wakandans wanted war
with Atlantis. Shuri accepting the terms could’ve resulted in public opinion
and the Wakandan government turning against her and supporting a new ruler to
take over. Clearly no love was lost between the two.
Shuri gathered a meeting to decide whether Wakanda should go
to war. She was in favor of war; so were the majority of the Wakandan
government and the Wakandan people. T’Challa pushed for accepting Namor’s offer.
After a back and forth between T’Challa and a Wakandan general, Shuri makes her
decision: Wakanda will go to war.
Namor learned via Wakandan diplomatic channels that Shuri had apparently considered his offer and was
thinking about it. That was a lie: Shuri actually deployed Wakandan forces to
Atlantis while Namor was still in the Necropolis (Namor’s actual location wasn’t known to Shuri). By the time Namor arrived at
Atlantis, most of it was destroyed.
Soon after, Proxima Midnight and a portion of Thanos’ army
arrived at what’s left of Atlantis, seeking the infinity gems. Finding a
destroyed Atlantis, Proxima offered to spare Namor in exchange for his loyalty
to Thanos and information on the location of the gems. Namor decides to answer
with a lie of his own: that the gems was in Wakanda.
Proxima lead the charge against Wakanda, with the full might
of Thanos’ army. Caught off-guard by the scale of the attack, Shuri orders
Wakandan forces to retreat.
Noting that T’Challa was missing from the battle
with Proxima, Shuri decided to look for him and eventually found him in the Necropolis.After confronting him about his whereabouts—and T’Challa not
revealing the truth about where he was—the Dora Milaje arrived at the scene,
revealing to Shuri that Namor has not only been at the Necropolis, but has been
there many times while Wakandan and Atlantian forces were clashing. Shuri
presses T’Challa more for an answer, but T’Challa decided to adhere to his pact
with the illuminati: do not reveal anything about the incursions to anyone. Thus, he refused to answer her questions, at a great cost.
Despite T’Challa making major sacrifices for what he felt
was the greater good (not killing Namor, not revealing the incursions, getting
exiled by Shuri and disowned by T’Chaka, and so on), it all seemingly backfired
when Namor revealed to T’Challa that he was the reason why Proxima Midnight
attacked Wakanda. To make matters worse, Namor showed absolutely no remorse for
his attack during AvX or for sending Proxima to Wakanda under false pretenses.
Namor left the Illuminati soon after and gathered Thanos,
the Black Order, Black Swan and Maximus the Mad to tackle the incursion crisis via
destroying worlds. They formed a cabal and procured the anti-matter bombs the Illuminati once held in the Necropolis.
The Cabal eventually blackmailed the world’s governments:
either they gave up Wakanda or the Cabal would not save their world from the
incursions. The world government’s obliged and Wakanda was attacked by Thanos’
Black order and his army. Still recovering from the two previous attacks by
Thanos’ army while having no government intervene in their behalf, Wakanda couldn’t resist this time and the nation was destroyed,
with all but less than 2,000 of its people dead. T’Challa and Shuri tried a last
ditch effort to steal the anti-matter bomb, but the intel given to them was
faulty, resulting in a set up by Proxima Midnight and Maximus.
With no hope left for Wakanda, Shuri decided to stay back
and hold off Proxima while T’Challa escaped. In her final act as queen, she tells
T’Challa to “finish” the job and transferred
the rulership back to him. That “job”, it turns out, was Namor and one T’Challa
intended on following through.
Has a clear sense of right and wrong. Is a symbol for his people. Likes to use one gadget/weapon in particular (shield/utility belt), wears a mask. Is a fighting expert and has trained many heroes to fight.
2. Human Torch/Jim Hammond & Superman/Clark Kent:
Is not a human (android/alien), can fly, doesn’t wear a mask. Most human of the team and really feels for the people. Has extraordinary abilities. Fights for his adopted home and people.
3. Namor the Sub-Mariner/ Namor Mckenize & Wonder Woman/Diana Prince :
Is royalty of their people (prince/king/princess), their people are isloated or do not interact much with the world. Has a strict sense of honor. Doesnt let anyone tell them how to get shit done and does as they see fit. Is often at odds/confused with the world and it’s ways yet still fights for it’s people. Doesn’t wear a mask and has the most revealing costume. Is usually always tied up in various… poses by their enemies when they’re caught. Wears bracers (for magic/signature look).