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We’ve all been there — having fun relaxing with friends and family, when someone says something a little racially off. Sometimes it’s subtle, like the friend who calls Thai food “exotic.” Other times it’s more overt, like that in-law who’s always going on about “the illegals.”

In any case, it can be hard to know how to respond. Even the most level-headed among us have faltered trying to navigate the fraught world of racial awkwardness.

So what exactly do you do? We delve into the issue on this week’s episode of the Code Switch podcast, featuring writer Nicole Chung and Code Switch’s Shereen Marisol Meraji, Gene Demby, and Karen Grigsby Bates.

Hear Something, Say Something: Navigating The World Of Racial Awkwardness

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