I really like what you said about Roy. At least with Kory, I could maybe rationalize the differences in her character. Like maybe after her and Dick split and the Titans broke up, she felt really isolated and alone and just withdrew into herself. But with Roy it's like "Who the fuck is this guy?" DC kind of ruined Roy's character even before the reboot (killing his kid and making him evil was a genius idea/sarcasm), but this is like he is a completely new character.
With Kory (oops, sorry, KORIIIIII), I can see that. She was fighting with that side of her when the Titans were splitting up pre-reboot, wasn’t she? They were all moving on and she had nothing to turn to. That’s why she decided that going into space was for the best. So that part makes sense. But I wish they had had her say outright that she didn’t want to talk about it- not that she had magical alien cat amnesia. That she’s probably lying about because whoo, Kory sure loves lying, doesn’t she? It’s not like pre-reboot, there were many little moments about Kory lying and how it wasn’t natural for her to do it (Moments with Tim, Vic, etc.)
There are many problems with Kory, of course, and I’ve hit my head against a wall repeatedly because of them.
Because everyone defending this book does not understand what I’m angry about and aghhh. But I’m equally insulted about Roy and Jason. I have mixed feelings about Jason’s characterization but I want to punch Roy in the face. Repeatedly. AND I SHOULD NOT WANT THAT.
I LOVE ROY.
I love Roy as Speedy. I love Roy as Arsenal. I love Roy as Red Arrow. I love Roy in the Teen Titans cartoon. I love Roy in the Young Justice cartoon. In Brave and the Bold, Justice League Unlimited. As Lian’s father, as the drummer of Great Frog, as an insecure teenager, as a member of the Navajo tribe, as the Titan’s archetype bad boy, as a successful ladies’ man, as a recovering drug addict, as agent of Checkmate, as Arrow-kid and Titan and Outsider and Justice League member.
AND GUESS WHAT OUTLAW!ROY IS? NONE OF THOSE THINGS. Okay, recovering drug addict AND alcoholic? Instead of Ollie being as a father figure to him, he…was more of an associate with stocks in Queen Industries and stuff? He had dreadlocks, tried to commit suicide and and then became a MERCENARY?! His only friend is JASON?! Might as well make him a Teen Titan because he’s nineteen?! He acts like such a dudebro and not even an endearing one.
I tried to read it as a new character- because that’s what all the reboot fans tell me to do. Okay, but if I’ve never heard of Roy Harper and just read this. I’d throw it down in disgust because this guy irritates me to no end and am I supposed to find his whining relate-able (not to mention how I’d feel about Kory and all that male gaze)? I’D PROBABLY BE WARY OF READING COMICS EVER AGAIN. WHAT WOULD MY BLOG BE WITHOUT ME POSTING AND REBLOGGING ABOUT COMICS ALL THE TIME?! WHAT, I ASK YOU?!
Want to hear something funny though?
The Outlaws defenders also say that ‘of course he’s different- he’s nineteen years old and hasn’t had time to mature yet!’ But…nineteen year old Roy Harper pre-reboot was working for the government and helping out in runaway and rehab centers. He was good-natured, if not overly flirty, and was just Speedy part-time.
He had also just found out he had a daughter, and the mother was a dangerous villain around that time. So I don’t want to hear that excuse. No, shut up.
This isn’t Roy, plain and simple, and this isn’t a character I feel any attachment to and that’s a big accomplishment because I LOVE ALMOST EVERY CHARACTER I READ ABOUT.
Originally, one of the reasons I was so excited for Outlaws was because the cover showed Roy with both arms. I was expecting that DC had realized ‘wow, almost every single person hated Cry for Justice and what we did to the Arrow Family! We should use this reboot to fix that and do what the majority of the fans want.’ I was crossing my fingers for Lian. And then, of course, they screwed that up by giving us frat boy Roy Harper and clean shaven business boy Oliver Queen- with no mention of any one else in sight.
We can handle five (oops, sorry, FOUR) Robins but two Speedys? Two Green Arrows? Two Flashes? OMGZ, SO HAAAARD. COMIC BOOK READERS ARE TOO FRAGILE TO DEAL WITH ALL THAT MATH.
*grumble grumble never talking about this again grumble grumble stupid feelings about comic book characters grumble grumble my friend Cory is staring at me weirdly because I’m typing too fast and grumbling at my laptop screen and omg why is my finger bleeding!?!?*
Ps. I get carried away sometimes.