muslim hatred

“Anti-Muslim activists often attempt to foment hatred against Muslims by claiming that Islam is inherently anti-queer. 

While homophobia certainly still exists in American Muslim communities, as a whole, American Muslims are slowly becoming more accepting of homosexuality. 

And notably, they’re doing it at a faster rate than white evangelical Protestants.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/american-muslims-are-now-more-accepting-of-homosexuality-than-white-evangelicals_us_597f3d8de4b02a4ebb76ea3d?ncid=engmodushpmg00000003

2/5/17


Good morning.


Mean girls suck– so do mean boys in a position of power telling you that you aren’t welcome.
I’m telling you that you are wanted. I want you here. As the great-granddaughter of Irish immigrants, I’m telling you that you can sit with me❤️

Love,
Haruko

@anaalice
YOU ARE BEING PARANOID

YOU are being paranoid.

In kindergarten, the Power Rangers were all the rage. But I was told that I could never be the pink ranger because I wasn’t white by my fellow classmates. I am being paranoid.

Before leaving elementary school, I learned what the phrase “spic” and “wetback” meant by reading legal papers my dad had in hand explaining why the people at his work didn’t like him being there. I am being paranoid.

In middle school I learned from many chapters in our history books about the triumphant and courageous birth of America. Featuring less than three paragraphs on the struggles of the slaves that built the roads and buildings that are now founding landmarks. I am being paranoid.

My first year of high school, a white teacher called my name during attendance and saw my face and said “Who let Al Qaeda in school.” I walked out and told my principal, and I was assured “he didn’t mean it that way” and was excused for that class period. I am being paranoid.

I enter college and get a job, and I find that I was chosen for the position so the company could get a tax break. “It’s good for us to have ONE of YOU here.” I am being paranoid.

Years later I go shopping, and I am verbally attacked by a white man in the middle of a grocery store. He called me a “dumb brown b*tch” and said he would “come see me outside, where the cameras aren’t around to catch it.” All of the stores patrons didn’t even glance up. They walked by to grab the chicken thighs that were on sale, rather than rallying for my safety. I am being paranoid.

An old customer of mine boasts about how Mexicans need to be deported from our country. That I was “okay” because I’m legal. I mention that the Europeans who came to this land originally didn’t worry about whose land this belonged to first. That the men who nurtured this land since the dawn of time, wanted them to go back to their country and I’m met with an eye roll. I am being paranoid.

I see the news and kids who look like the boys and girls I grew up with are being killed “justly” by the men who are supposed to serve and protect us. And then I’m told it was their fault, that they just should have listened. Following that post is an outcry of injustice for the death of a gorilla. Wakes and petitions. An Internet mausoleum to an animal, whose name they only learned yesterday. I am being paranoid.

I wake up to the results of an election, and right below that post is an image of the KKK celebrating and parading our new president. I am being paranoid.

I go to Target and see a woman tell her daughters in Hijabs, to wear hoodies over their heads until they get to their own car. The kids were so warm, but the mother did not feel safe. I am being paranoid.

I scroll and see hundreds of posts of people crying out “I fear for my safety! Please Help!” That are only met with scoffs and dismissal. WE are being paranoid.

Elected officials. I want you to show me, that I am TRULY being paranoid. That the people you’ve alienated just to get to where you are, really do matter. Prove me wrong. I hope you do.

This book is being sold on Amazon as of today and you’d have my undying gratitude if you went on the UK Amazon site and reported it. It’s a book written by a man full of hatred against Muslims and his apparent goal is to unite people to fight against the religion.

I did it on mobile so I’ll outline the process for that here:

1. Scroll down to the bottom of the site & press “Customer Service”
2. At the bottom of the page press “Contact Us”
3. Now it prompts you to either call or send an email. I sent an email but you can do either.
4. At the bottom of the query list there is a “something else"option. Click on that. Then click "other issues.”
5. You can write your own message but in case you don’t have the time, you can use the one I sent.

A listing was put up 10 days ago that I believe is too volatile to be available on this site. By keeping this listing up, you are feeding fuel and money into the very minds of those who will perpetuate hate speech which then leads to violent crime against religious persons. Free speech is one thing, but using it to pin atrocious war crimes on every Muslim in the world is harmful and has been the reason behind the recent influx of violent attacks against Muslims across the west. I implore you to take a look at the following listing and it’s reviews and decide what should be done. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mohammeds-Koran-Muslims-Kill-Islam/dp/0995584907

Thank you for your time. Peace!

My thoughts (I ramble forever I'm sorry lol)

I’m 15 years old. 15 isn’t much, when you think about it. Yeah sure I’m halfway through my teenage years and if you’re Swedish you’re about to make your life’s most important decision, but at the same time I have 3 more years until I’m an official adult and I’m still in highschool. My worst problems should be that my crush doesn’t like me back or that a girl in my class is making fun of me. Young teenagers all around the world should still be innocent beings. They should still be exploring their surroundings and themselves. They should be finding their way through life with the help of others but instead they’re all grown up. They know and see pain no teen should see. They grew up realising what world they lived in quite quickly. It’s torture. It’s horrible. How many young teens are saying that they hate themselves? That they hate this world and everyone around them? That isn’t the mindset a teenager should have. But instead we grew up learning about politics because it is all crumbling down right before us and we are the generation who has to fix it. We grew up with wars happening in countries such as Syria and we wondered why no one has tried to stop it. We grew up terrified of ourselves because we started questioning our sexuality at the same time as people told us that “there are only two genders and two sexualities”. We learned about transgendered people through cases like Leelah Alcorn instead of in school and we learned about homosexuality when people were brutally murdered over it. We asked why, why was someone killed because of their identity? But when our parents didn’t give a reply we also learned to not speak about these things. They’re “normal”. They happen so often it’s no longer a speaking matter. When we were tiny and our eyes were still filled with hope, we saw everyone as our friend no matter the skin colour, but suddenly Mike Brown died and so did our hope. We are the generation that grew up too soon because love didn’t have a childhood. Because hate grows up too soon. (quote from Shane Koyczans “Shine”) And we are the people whose voice isn’t heard because we’re too young to have a say in the matter. We are everywhere from 13 to 19 years old and we’re living in the middle of wars, dictatorships, terrorism, Muslim bans, sexism, racism, homophobia, transphobia, suicide and most of all, fear. We are living with fear everyday and everyday we watch the news and 90% are all the horrible things that happened while we were asleep. And our cousin can’t stop crying because her bestie just killed herself and our friend can’t stop screaming because they might just be deported. Hospitals in Sweden don’t have enough nurses and people are dying because of the lack of help. Swedish hospitals are so full sick people are being put in the laundry rooms. Students all over the world are getting chronic stress and mental disorders because of school and the society they live in. Parents around the world are lying to their kids and sacrificing their lives in order to atleast give their children a shot at a bright future. We are living everyday hearing that it’s popular to want to kill yourself, It’s popular to hate yourself and popular to have a mental disorder. As if being healthy and happy just goes to show how ignorant you are to the worlds hatred. We saw happiness and hope but it is now being taken away by the second as bigotry has gotten a new low with Mr Trump. (How can America have downgraded from the first black president to an angry Oompa Loompa
Spreading hatred!?) I am 15 and I honestly can’t take watching the news and reading newspapers. I can’t take another suicide from a kid that just wanted different pronouns. I can’t take more people dying because of religion and skin colour and I just can’t take the hatred anymore. I am exhausted. Truly and deeply. But I will continue. Humanity needs to know that we might have been taught that this is normal but we are finally seeing that it’s not, this hatred shall remain normal no more. It shall be demolished and ruined and we will scream and let our voices be known. We will donate to charity and we will stand up against bigotry and we will most definitely let people know that this is unacceptable and we will do everything in our way to stop you. We will stand among others no matter how young. We might have grown up around hatred but we will make damn fucking sure the next generation doesn’t.

Why is opposing Sharia Law “Controversial”?

Why is it deemed “controversial” to oppose Sharia law? I am not even sure why there is a debate about it? This isn’t me attacking or insulting Islam, but it has everything to do with opposing Sharia law as someone who cares about humanity. There are many Muslims in the world, including almost every Muslim I know, opposing Sharia law. They not only oppose it for society, but they do not even want to live their own personal lives by Sharia. In fact, there are numerous Muslim countries that do not live under Sharia, including several which live under secular laws (Some examples of Muslim majority countries that live under secular law include Albania, Turkey, Burkina Faso, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Chad, Tajikistan, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo,  Turkmenistan, Gambia, Guinea, Mali, Senegal, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan.) 

Under Sharia law:

- The minimum age of marriage for females is nine, for males is twelve. 

- A Muslim man can marry only a Muslim, Christian or Jewish woman. He cannot marry an atheist, agnostic or polytheist, while a Muslim woman can marry only a Muslim man. She cannot marry a Christian, Jew, atheist, agnostic or polytheist.

- A Muslim minor girl’s father or guardian may arrange the marriage of a girl, without her consent, before she reaches adulthood. 

- A man can divorce his wife any time he wants, without reason. A woman cannot divorce her husband without reason. She may file for divorce for reason, such as he is impotent, missing or biologically related to her. 

- A Muslim man can marry four Muslim women, while a Muslim woman can marry only one Muslim man. 

- Under sharia law crimes against God have fixed and severe punishments 

- Drinking alcohol is considered a crime

- Sex outside of marriage is considered a crime (the punishment is 100 lashes)

- Publicly disputing an Imam is considered a crime

- Apostasy (leaving Islam and converting to another religion or becoming an atheist) is considered a crime

- Under Sharia law when a victim is compensated, Muslim women receive less compensation than Muslim man, and non-Muslims receive less compensation than Muslims.

- The punishment for for theft is amputating (cutting off) the hands or feet.

- Homosexuality is considered a crime to be punished with death.

Having said that, I’m not sure what the debate is about! I am not attacking Islam or Muslims here. In fact, millions of Muslims are strongly opposed to Sharia law. I am not here to put Islam down in any way. I am merely standing up for humanity. There should be no debate about this. We should all be against Sharia law as a system that governs members of society. If someone wants to live within the confines of these ideas listed above, that’s their choice, but trying to impose that on other members of society is outrageous!

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The ensuing discussion:

Part 1:

fxcking-corrupt: Yeah they all sound bad if there’s no context to it. Also, this is so simplified that even Muslims reading this would oppose it. Maybe if you spoke to a Sheikh about the Sharia or a professor in Islamic Law you’d have a clearer understanding. It’s easy to call it barbaric and say you oppose the Sharia because you’re “standing up for humanity” when one) you take the punishments (and the whole thing in general) out of context, two) you simplify it to a four year old’s level and three) when no country in the world lives under Sharia and haven’t done so in 150 years.P.S. You forgot to mention the fact that before any death sentence is given they are given a trial and need four male witnesses who are specialists in the Qur'an/Hadith and have never missed any of the five compulsory prayers. If they lack any of these their witness statement is invalid. Technically it’s impossible to get this because why would four bearded men who never missed a pray be watching someone while they commit illegal sexual activities? It’s not practical. Be realistic. Stop being a sheep. Pls stop embarrassing yourself.

iranian-atheist: I oppose it because I’ve taken the time to talk to the so called scholars you speak of! You can make up whatever you’d like but I’ve lived in 2 countries that are ruled by Sharia, but of course I guess they just didn’t understand it, right? Why is that so difficult for you to understand? Why is it so hard to understand millions of us oppose the death penalty no matter what? Why is it so difficult to understand that under no circumstances or under any “context” would any of this be acceptable in my mind before invoking the “context” argument? Why is it that you think people who oppose Sharia just don’t get it? Is it so hard to understand that we get it, we respect your right to believe it and live your life by it, but would always oppose it and disagree with it and would never want it enforced on others? I guess not, because we are apparently just a bunch of “sheep”.Since you are such an expert and I’m so ignorant as you claim, feel free to clarify under which context it is okay to put a homosexual individual to death? That’s just one example!I have spent my life standing up for Muslims when I come across anti-Muslim hatred, when I find religion to be misrepresented, and when people make ignorant remarks about Islam. I’ve taken a lot of time to understand and appreciate the religion for the good it brings, but just because I understand it, it doesn’t mean I have to believe it or agree with it. I’m not the one who makes up the Sharia rules, these come directly from other Muslims who are ruling other countries by these laws, ironic that you want to direct me to the very same “Sheikhs”!


Part 2:

fxcking-corrupt: Yeah like I said no country lives under the full Sharia so your point is irrelevant. I didn’t say everyone has to support the death penalty lmao I just said that when you simplify it to the extent that you did obviously it seems to be unjust. The reason I say you mostly don’t understand it is because it hasnt been put into practice in modern history or day… Is that hard to understand? You’re an atheist so it comes as no suprises to me that you would reject any kind of religious law even though your morals come from religion, but that’s a different topic. I never claimed to an expert in Islamic Law hence why I said you should speak to a Sheikh or professor about it. But like I said, if you would just be a little more open minded, look at the criteria you need (i.e four religious witnesses) to put a homosexual to death, it’s practically impossible to find such a witness therefore the punishments acts as a deterrence to not do some things in public (in most Muslim countries it’s frowned upon for heterosexual couples to show affection as well so this is not an argument to say homosexuals are deprived of showing affection since no one really does it anyway) I never said anything about you being Islamophobic or anti-muslim. I was just simply saying that you’ve simplified a very complex issue into something as simple as put a person who commits adultery or leaves Islam to death when really it’s much more complicated than that. And a sheikh and the leader of the country are not the same thing since sheikhs study the Sharia whereas leaders use some aspects of it when it benefits them…. Kinda like most governments around the world tbh. You can reject sharia, I don’t have a problem with that obviously we don’t even share the same beliefs so I wouldn’t expect you to agree with it. What I was trying to say is dont reduce a way of life to a few bullet points to a text post on Tumblr and have everyone believe that what you are saying true.

iranian-atheist: You said, “You’re an atheist so it comes as no suprises to me that you would reject any kind of religious law even though your morals come from religion”Actually that’s not true at all, since much of my morals contradict religious law, such as LGBT rights, not seeing anyone differently because of their beliefs, understanding how barbaric the death penalty is, having pre-marital safe sex is natural, healthy, and good for you, etc. Those are just a few examples.

You said, “I never claimed to an expert in Islamic Law hence why I said you should speak to a Sheikh or professor about it”I have and that’s why I oppose it.You said, “But like I said, if you would just be a little more open minded, look at the criteria you need (i.e four religious witnesses) to put a homosexual to death, it’s practically impossible to find such a witness therefore the punishments acts as a deterrence to not do some things in public”So what is the point of having something as law if it’s impossible to prove?

You said, “I never said anything about you being Islamophobic or anti-muslim. I was just simply saying that you’ve simplified a very complex issue into something as simple as put a person who commits adultery or leaves Islam to death when really it’s much more complicated than that” I’m sorry but I did not simplify anything, these are the laws practiced by countries that claim to rule under Sharia. Don’t point the finger at me, do it to them if anything. Isn’t that great about religion? How, everyone always assumes only their interpretation is right and everyone else is wrong?

You said, “And a sheikh and the leader of the country are not the same thing since sheikhs study the Sharia whereas leaders use some aspects of it when it benefits them…. Kinda like most governments around the world tbh.”
I understand that, there are several Sheikhs who believe homosexuals should be put to death, women should be stoned for ‘non-crimes’, people who have sex outside of marriage should be punished, and people should also be punished for drinking alcohol. Actually there are more than plenty.

You said, “You can reject sharia, I don’t have a problem with that obviously we don’t even share the same beliefs so I wouldn’t expect you to agree with it. What I was trying to say is dont reduce a way of life to a few bullet points to a text post on Tumblr and have everyone believe that what you are saying true.”I wish it was really that simple, so go ahead and explain what Sharia is then? And if you can actually make a convincing argument as to why we have to respect it, and explain why you have it right and why all those others are wrong, and if the criteria you present is worthy of respect, then I’ll be very happy to hear it and even share it with others. I’ve spent my life to get a better understanding and respect for different religions, but please, do not force me to respect aspects which I strongly and completely disagree with.


Part 3:

fxcking-corrupt: There’s a difference between morals and politics though… Wait are you really gonna say that Islam tells one to treat their non-muslim neighbours different? Seriously what kind of sheikhs did you talk to??

I did say that it acts as a deterrence but ignore that it’s okay…

Oh So I finally see you got the fact that no country lives under Sharia, thank God for that. I’m not pointing the finger at you, I’m just pointing out your obviously mistakes

Honestly, this is getting so tiring like how many times. If a sheikh is giving his opinion rather than what is according to the Qur'an and Sunnah since thats where the Sharia comes from then you don’t take his opinions on board simple as.

Seriously wtf is wrong with you?? I never tried to force you to agree or accept the Sharia where the hell did that come from?? I never said anyone should live under it I was correcting your mistake. If me correcting you means I’m forcing you to accept something you don’t agree with then seriously that’s so fucked up. I never said those who don’t live under it are wrong either that would mean everyone is wrong, seriously this some fuckboy behaviour foh. You just said you’ve spoken to sheikhs about the Sharia why are you asking me to explain it to you. Faults here in your story buddy. And I’ve just told you that it’s complex so how do you expect me to explain a system of government to you in detail over Tumblr and when I’ve told you I’m not an expert in this field?????? Seriously mate.

iranian-atheist: You said, “There’s a difference between morals and politics though”I understand that, but what is your point? I am talking about morals. I see absolutely nothing wrong with having safe pre-marital sex, in fact, it is healthy and very good for you. But morally speaking Islam and Christianity, as well as many religions out there are against it. I am giving this as an example, there are numerous others examples.

You said, “ I did say that it acts as a deterrence but ignore that it’s okay…”If this is in reference to homosexuality, it still is a weak argument. Why should people be deterred from acting out on their natural sexual desires. Is it so difficult to understand that some people in this world are gay? Is that so hard to comprehend? So you think it’s perfectly fine to have some sort of deterrence telling people they cannot take part in what is their natural sexual orientation. Sure, I guess we should make up some sort of scare tactics to tell heterosexual people that they should refrain from having sex with the opposite sex… So I’m sorry, but doesn’t prove a point whatsoever!

You said, “Wait are you really gonna say that Islam tells one to treat their non-muslim neighbours different?”No I’m not saying that, I am saying exactly what the Sheikhs state. So then please clarify, if a Muslim individual wants to leave the religion of Islam and become an atheist, should they be punished? I have not come across one Sheikh who says that the individual is free to do as he/she wishes.

You said, “Seriously wtf is wrong with you?? I never tried to force you to agree or accept the Sharia where the hell did that come from?? I never said anyone should live under it I was correcting your mistake. If me correcting you means I’m forcing you to accept something you don’t agree with then seriously that’s so fucked up”You didn’t, but plenty of people want to force us to accept Sharia as the greatest thing for everyone. You haven’t even explained what is good about Sharia, this is not really helping the cause. Every Sheikh I’ve spoken to, every Islamic website I come across, every Islamic text I read, only further justifies why I am against Sharia. That doesn’t mean I am against Islam, but I have the right to disagree with Sharia law and not want to live under it. That’s really simple.

You said, “You just said you’ve spoken to sheikhs about the Sharia why are you asking me to explain it to you.”For one reason, and one reason only, because you are not happy with my understanding of Sharia which comes from my discussion with different sheikhs.

You said, “I’ve just told you that it’s complex so how do you expect me to explain a system of government to you in detail over Tumblr and when I’ve told you I’m not an expert in this field?????? Seriously mate.”If that is the case, then don’t argue about it. If you cannot make a point and all you are going to do is say you are right and I am wrong without giving a reason then do not comment. We discuss issues, we hear each other out, and through dialogue we learn from one another. If you cannot do that, and if you are going to resort to pointing fingers then what is the point? Why are you even commenting then?


Part 4:

fxcking-corrupt: Well starting with your last point, I simply commented on your post because you had made mistakes on there. I never came here to change your mind or make you accept it or even come here to explain it to you. I just wanted to let you know that you’re giving out incorrect information, why are you exacerbating it?

So if that’s the case then why were you implying that I was forcing you to accept or even respect sharia? I didn’t come here to explain to why it’s a good thing. You’re an atheist. I’m a person of Religion. Our views on how our lives should be are not the same. We don’t share the final end goal or aims. I’m not here to tell you to live under Sharia how many times do I have to tell you that?

Autopsy is meant to prevent treason against the state. This is practised in almost every country so why it is that when it’s a religious law everyone suddenly has a problem with it? When it’s used to keep patriotism high or protect the national interest everyone’s for it but when the same happens in an Islamic society for practically the same reason you lot call it barbaric?

To address your first two issues that’s the difference between religion and atheism. One lives for this world and it’s desires whilst the other lives for the after life therefore living under such laws that may conflict with western society which is based on atheism anyway.


iranian-atheist: You said, “Well starting with your last point, I simply commented on your post because you had made mistakes on there. I never came here to change your mind or make you accept it or even come here to explain it to you. I just wanted to let you know that you’re giving out incorrect information, why are you exacerbating it?”First of all, how about starting with the first point and actually addressing everything I say instead of ignoring more than half of it? Secondly, so what you’re saying is that, you decided to comment on a post by saying it’s wrong and then following that up by saying you don’t know why because you don’t have enough knowledge to comment on it, AND the ones that do are wrong because they gave me the wrong information. Great logic! Sure does prove a point!

Then you said, “So if that’s the case then why were you implying that I was forcing you to accept or even respect sharia? I didn’t come here to explain to why it’s a good thing.”So then do you mind explaining to us what you’re trying to do? The list in my original post regarding what sharia law constitutes is not some list that I mistakenly made up, it is one that is regarded as acceptable by Muslim leaders and clerics, from Iran, to Saudi Arabia, to Northern Nigeria, to Sudan, to Yemen, etc, which they derive from the Quran and the prophet’s Sunnah. This is a list that you consider a “mistake” but will not explain why! This is not something I am putting together. Like I said, I respect Muslims and highly appreciate what people can gain from faith, though I don’t need it, and I find meaning, happiness, and great joy in life by believing in myself and doing what brings me pleasure without harming others, I respect what Islam means to people.

You said, “Autopsy is meant to prevent treason against the state. This is practised in almost every country so why it is that when it’s a religious law everyone suddenly has a problem with it? When it’s used to keep patriotism high or protect the national interest everyone’s for it but when the same happens in an Islamic society for practically the same reason you lot call it barbaric?”If I am not mistaken you meant apostasy? Okay, so let’s get this straight, by virtue of your logic, an individual living in a Muslim country, under Sharia, must remain a Muslim and practice the religion, and not doing so makes them a target to be killed, and this is acceptable? I am sorry, but this is not an attack on religion. In many secular countries, people are free to criticize their governments, in fact, politicians do it with one another, it doesn’t make one less patriotic, nor does it give reason to kill the person. Not only that, we are talking about “faith”. You cannot force people to believe something they do not want to, nor have faith it, furthermore, you cannot threaten to kill them for it! How you justify this in such a nonchalant manner is rather disturbing! Tell me the last time someone in Canada was executed for disagreeing with the government and becoming less patriotic? I don’t know if you realize but perhaps 70% of this country strongly opposes and harshly criticizes the current Conservative government, to the point of calling them fascists. So your point is not only invalid, but ignorant. Besides, we are talking about a religion and a faith that many do not have or want.

You said, “To address your first two issues that’s the difference between religion and atheism. One lives for this world and it’s desires whilst the other lives for the after life therefore living under such laws that may conflict with western society which is based on atheism anyway.”Sure, one may assume because a religious text says something is good or bad, then it must be so, regardless of the time and setting that this religion emerged from, but one has no right to enforce that on society and kill/punish people for it. I will use the same example again, which was having safe pre-marital sex, which I reiterate is healthy and very good for you. But morally speaking Islam and Christianity, as well as many religions out there are against it. Still doesn’t change the point, and you still haven’t made one valid point, except to constantly say I am mistaken, so in other words those Muslim clerics who derive these laws out of the Quran and the Sunnah are mistaken, so you are disagreeing with them but cannot explain why, which leads me to one conclusion, there is no mistake in my OP, you just do not like to hear it.


Part 5:

fxcking-corrupt: So now if someone disagrees with you that means they’re forcing you to change your views?// No apostasy is only punished if someone rejects the faith publically and it threatens the state (just like treason is practised in America etc). You can change your religion privately there’s no problem with that. There’s no compulsion in religion in Islam. You can’t force someone to accept it, that’s a fundamental.// I dont even understand why you fear Canada or any non-muslim country being ruled by sharia anyways like that’s impossible since its not a Muslim country and never has been so therefore the Sharia wouldn’t be suitable for that country anyway. That’s just common knowledge.// the mistake you made was you simplified it and put no context to it, I’ve told you that in almost every single reply. For example you mention the age of marriage. Firstly since you’re an atheist your views on the age of marriage will change over time so what’s normal for you now may be wrong for you tomorrow, so your argument with regards to the age is pretty irrelevant. Secondly, marriage in Islam is not the same as marriage in the Western world which is largely influenced by Christianity. Whilst in Christianity marriage means it’s okay to have sex, in Islam this is a period of trying to understand one another etc and then when you reach a time when you both feel as though you are ready then do what you want. So this doesn’t mean a nine year old girl getting married means she’s gonna have children now that’s just so narrow minded. Besides, no one even gets marriage that young anymore. Those who do have no choice (ie girls in Afghanistan. Do you really think their mother would want to get their child marriaged off so young?)// you also mentioned alcohol, this is honeslty just laughable. I’m sure you’re aware of the consequences of alcohol and given that’s it’s prohibited in Islam I don’t even understand the logic is even bringing that up?// the Sharia is meant to be for Muslims since its laws benefit Muslims and to some extent Jews and Christians, if Muslims are happy to live under a system of government which is to benefit them then why as an atheist are you complaining? (again, sharia cannot be practised in a non-Muslim country)// anyways, it was a nice discussion, but just remember no on is forcing you to accept a way of life you don’t agree with. You don’t believe in religion why would you believe in laws created for people of religion?

iranian-atheist: I am not sure if you realize that you are not sole exclusive spokesperson for the entire Muslim world, nor are you trying to acknowledge that this conversation is not just about you and I talking, but regarding millions of people around the world who are directly impacted by religious laws which they strongly disagree with. Of course you cannot force people to believe something when they do not want to, and nobody should ever be forced to keep their beliefs a secret. I do not care if one lives in Canada or Saudi Arabia, if they want to publicly declare that they are atheist, Christian, Muslim, or Hindu, and converted in and out of any of those to something else, they should be more than free to do so. That is why I am against atheist states, as much as I am against religious states.Your apostasy = treason argument is exactly what I tell people when they insult Islam for “killing people who leave their religion”! So you see, I do not even think you realize how much knowledge I have about Islam, and to what extent I go to clarify misconceptions about it! All I am telling you is that when it comes to religion, everyone assumes only they and their clerics alone have the exact right version!You keep claiming that I made some `mistake`, which is laughable because these are not my words, these are not my statements, these are not some arbitrary laws I randomly came up with. These are statements, regulations and laws put together by other Muslim clerics and sheikhs, which you can easily look up for yourself or alternatively travel to Saudi Arabia, Northern Nigeria, Sudan, etc. to experience first hand, and when you ask them how they came up with it, they point to the Quran and the prophet`s Sunnah. Your marriage argument was really weak! While, I appreciate that you can acknowledge how sex with children is wrong, let us be intellectually honest about this disaster! Especially since the Hadith mentions the word `consummated`, which means there was a sexual relationship. The marriage was at age 6, it was consummated when Aisha was 9. So yes, you are correct that there was a period of `trying to understand one another before having sex`, that period was, according to the Hadith, from the age of 6-9, at the age of 9, it was `consummated`, meaning they had sex. Look, I realize and understand that many of these Hadiths are not authentic, so no, I would not ignorantly and hatefully throw insults, but the fact of the matter is that it is there, and it is not as if I am just making these things up. This is from scripture, and it is actually backed up and supported by numerous sheikhs in Saudi Arabia.

Then you said, ``you also mentioned alcohol, this is honeslty just laughable. I’m sure you’re aware of the consequences of alcohol and given that’s it’s prohibited in Islam I don’t even understand the logic is even bringing that up?“Well, considering how I mentioned moderate alcohol consumption, meaning for example a couple of glasses of wine in moderation being good for you, and this is a proven fact which you cannot refute, as it is good for your health in more ways than one, and then decided to resort to pointing at something else, well, if there is anything laughable, it is your statement of distorting and changing what I said, while ignoring well-known facts about moderate and healthy alcohol consumption (not excessive destructive drinking which any sane human being can agree and acknowledge is horrendous)

Then you said, “The Sharia is meant to be for Muslims since its laws benefit Muslims and to some extent Jews and Christians, if Muslims are happy to live under a system of government which is to benefit them then why as an atheist are you complaining?”Does it ever occur to you that not everyone in a Muslim country is Muslim? Do you realize how many atheists live in Muslim countries? I personally know atheists in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc. Why should they be subjected to a law that discriminates against them so harshly simply because they do not want to believe in something that is truly unbelievable? Of course I have the right to oppose Sharia law, just as I would oppose State Atheism, that forces atheism on society. Canada, however, is not an atheist state, it is a secular state, which guarantees freedom for all, be it Muslims, atheists, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhist, or whoever, to believe and practice their faith, or to have no faith at all, and not have to live under a system that makes its laws to only benefit the majority. You, however, cannot understand this and selfishly assume that it is perfectly fine for all non-Muslim members of society to live under Islamic rule, just because the majority of the citizens of the country are Muslim.

Then you said, “just remember no on is forcing you to accept a way of life you don’t agree with. You don’t believe in religion why would you believe in laws created for people of religion?”Sure, nobody can force me to accept it, but you do not speak for everyone. And I am sorry, but I beg to differ! Try telling that to the numerous non-Muslim relatives and friends of mine living in Iran, FORCED to live and abide by ISLAMIC law. So please, do not make such outrageously selfish and cruel statements to ignore and push aside the suffering of so many people. In fact, you are wrong, it is only in a secular state that nobody is forced to follow and abide by religious laws, and as I said, I strongly oppose state atheism as well!

Part 6:

fxcking-corrupt: But have you considered how the majority are Muslims and the majority would be happy with it? Would Canada bring sharia law for the Muslim minorities? No, so why should xyz country change their laws for the non-monotheistic minority? As a Muslim I’m not allowed to drink alcohol, the UK sells alcohol, isn’t this not fair on me since they’re not thinking about my beliefs? Well since the majority of the people here are non-muslims and happy with it I can’t make them change that as thats not entirely fair on the majority. Look at France, people cant wear religious symbols in public, that’s a secular state and to some extent people are forced to live under a state that won’t let them have their religious freedom. Point I’m trying to make is if you live in a country live by the laws. A lot of the uk’s laws conflicts with my religious beliefs but am i telling them to change it? No. Your argument is weak and works both ways. Your point about alcohol doesn’t answer my more important question which is why would you even debate that when it’s forbidden to drink in Islam? The issue of marriage; you’re talking about 6th century Arabia and comparing it with 2015 norms. That’s invalid since that was the norm of the time, why is that even an issue you lot keep referring to? I said you made a mistake because you gave no context and gave a simplified few points, I’ve repeated this so many times now. Why are you not understanding that? Of course when you present it like the way you did it appears to be unjust but when you actually look at it, just like when you read literature, you find a deeper meaning to it. Seriously, if we’re talking politics; freedom presented by western countries is just a false propaganda tool. You have to consider what is de jure and what is de facto. This applies to secular states, atheistic law and religious law. And I’m not underestimating your knowledge on Islam, I can see that you’re and ex-muslim.

iranian-atheist: You said, “But have you considered how the majority are Muslims and the majority would be happy with it?”I have absolutely no problem with Muslims wanting to handle their personal life matter through a system which is based on specific frameworks of what was the norm in seventh century deserts of Arabia, so long as it does not impact anyone else. You see, that is not how it works in countries which are governed by Islamic law. This is where our opinions differ. I would fight to death for a Muslim to have the right to pray, practice their religion, to be free to worship, and not be forced to become what goes against their religion, such as forcing a person to drink alcohol or “forcing” a person to be gay, though sexual orientation is not something you force, plenty of people in religious jurisdiction want to force it. I would fight for every Muslim to be free to believe as they wish and never be forced to dress a certain way, for Muslim women to have the freedom to wear what they want even if Muslims make up 0.1% of the population. Do you see the difference? But how often does that happen in countries ruled by Islamic law? I should not say all, because in some cases they do accommodate depending on jurisdiction, such as in Malaysia, but when a country is completely governed by religious law, it is unfair to numerous members of society. If an individual wants to live their lives according to those laws, I am in no position to tell them they shouldn’t, but the second they want to enforce that on all members of society, such as many countries which govern by Islamic law, that I’ve mentioned several times in this discussion, then of course, for the sake of humanity and equality I have every right to stand up against it!

You said, “As a Muslim I’m not allowed to drink alcohol, the UK sells alcohol, isn’t this not fair on me since they’re not thinking about my beliefs?”Horrendously comical example! Nobody will force you to drink alcohol in the U.K, you have the option to do so or to not. The difference is the choice. There is no choice when religious laws are pushed on all members of society. There is only one option!

You said, “Look at France, people cant wear religious symbols in public, that’s a secular state and to some extent people are forced to live under a state that won’t let them have their religious freedom.”If you knew to what extent I oppose France’s ban on religious headgear, you probably would not make that point. That is not secularism, that is forcing people to abide by something that suits one’s personal beliefs and for that reason I never once have and never will support that law.

You said, “Your point about alcohol doesn’t answer my more important question which is why would you even debate that when it’s forbidden to drink in Islam?”Not sure what you mean? I would never tell Muslims to drink alcohol, no matter how many verified scientific research papers prove that drinking 2 glasses of wine in moderation is very good for your health. When did I say Muslims have to drink? In fact, I would hope they never do! What are you talking about? But if I want to legally purchase a bottle of wine in Iran and enjoy it with my girlfriend in the privacy of my own home I should not be punished as a criminal for doing two normal, natural, and healthy things without harming anyone, which the Islamic Republic considers a “crime” based on Islamic law. It is very simple.

You said, “The issue of marriage; you’re talking about 6th century Arabia and comparing it with 2015 norms. That’s invalid since that was the norm of the time, why is that even an issue you lot keep referring to? I understand and agree with your point. It is not like I fuss about this and insult the religion for it the way some ignorant people do. Why I bring it up is for two basic reasons, one being the fact that it is still regarded as a means of doing things in the year 2015 as we see in countries governed by Islamic law since technically it is part of the Prophet’s Sunnah, and secondly because while times and settings have changed, while societies have progressed, what we are told from birth is that Muhammad is the most perfect man whose actions must be emulated in every way possible. Once again, this is not me just making things up, these are direct words and messages from numerous Muslims sheikhs, who by virtue of that logic defend the idea of an adult having sex with a 9-year old girl, as we have noticed with many young girls in Yemen dying of internal bleeding when their adult ‘husbands’ tried having sex with them.You said, “I said you made a mistake because you gave no context and gave a simplified few points, I’ve repeated this so many times now. Why are you not understanding that? Of course when you present it like the way you did it appears to be unjust but when you actually look at it, just like when you read literature, you find a deeper meaning to it.”It is not that I do not understand it, it is the fact that I disagree with it, and the bigger fact which is that I have looked deeper into it and still disagree with it. I appreciate their context and framework for what they can teach us about the time and setting in which they emerged from, but I would not agree with them in any shape or form as a means of governing a society. More importantly, this is not my ‘mistake’ – if you even want to call it that – this is directly the simplified law practiced in several Muslim countries.

Then you said, “Seriously, if we’re talking politics; freedom presented by western countries is just a false propaganda tool.”Dude, you are talking to a person who considers all governments corrupt and all political parties useless, you do not even need to say a word to convince me that there is propaganda in the whole presentation of “freedom”. I have even given up on the Green party of Canada after Bruce Hyer voted later year for Canada to carry out airstrikes on Iraq. Sure it shattered my heart that the very last bit of support I had left for a political party was destroyed. So no, you do not need to tell this confirmed atheist who believes in no government or political system, that there is corruption and propaganda. All I believe in is love and kindness for all humanity!

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THOUSANDS of muslims are being killed and no one raises their voice , why ? Because they justify the act of these buddhists by saying “they are just afraid of losing their culture” Really ?

First of all no one is suppressing their religion and they practice it freely.

Secondly, all the people who are muslims have accepted islam by their own freewill no ISIS going on in there and lastly how can helpless and poor families threaten your religion ? How are these children preventing you from practicing your religion ?

What kind of religion on earth allows you to commit massacre of 30,000 people in 3 days  and raping women and beheading children.

These militant monks have fueled hatred against muslims by describing it as “freedom of opinion and expression” so much that they millitray of the country has joined in the bloodbath of innocent civilians just because they choose to be muslims.

Its a shame to say that some countries in Asia and West are celebrating “festivity of democracy” in myanmar and view the beheading of infants as a reason to celebrate.

All in all since 1970 ten lakh muslims from burma have migerated out of burma because of oppresion and STILL people don’t step up for the genocide ?

If we can condemn genocide took place in the past why not prevent the one occuring now ???

But no one wishes to say that because the ones being killed are muslims ?? How long are we gonna let people be killed because of their deen ??

Why on earth does the leader of these killer have a noble price ? If she was truly deserving of this noble price she would have atleast TRIED to stop this massacre.

Even mala yousafzai has spoken against these cruel and disturbing acts but no one cares because its not a shooting in paris or a flood in houston

But most of all im ashamed of our own muslims leaders being silent on this matter ? Only turkey and bungladesh have helped and previously 3 lakh muslims of burma have migrated to pakistan but now our leaders are ignoring this all ?

Where is UN ? why dont the leaders show resistence against the army and extremsits of burma killing people openly and proudly?

You think hitler is dead ? You are wrong because he is still alive in the face of buddhist terror killing these innocent muslims for being muslims just as the jews were killed by hitler for being jews.

Rohingya Statement and real reports against terrorist Burmese Government:

We are most persecuted Rohingya Muslim Nation in the world. The historical proved and documentary incidents ware happened and crated on Rohingya Muslims minority by extremists Rakhine Buddists terrorists in 1942. Also 1,ooooo , Rohingya Muslims were Slaughtered. And killed by Nationalistic extremists Rakhine Buddists community. Even thousands and thousands Rohingyas were taken security shelters in Bangladesh from Arakan state. Many Rohingya;s Villages were burnt down, looted the house and mosques madrasahs were demolished in Arakan by extremists Rakhine Buddists. And then 03, June 2012, most Rohingyas’s Villages mosques, Markets and Shops were looted, and burnt down in Arakan by Burmese Military government and Nationalities extremists Rakhine Bduddists. Also thousands and thousands Rohingyas were killed Slaughtered, Raped on women and burnt children in burning fire by Burmese govt’ and then often 09 October 2016, Same incidents were happened on Rohingyas many old men, children were killed burnt down and raped on women in Arakan by Burmese military force and Rakhine Buddists .And then many Rohingyas became homeless, shelter less, foodless and 75,000 thousands become Refugees in Bangladesh from Arakan after 09 October 2016 on date 25-08-2017, in 30 Rohingyas villages gunfired, killed Big gunfired, Lonnsha, motors,   and weapons used on villages in Maungdaw Buthidong and Rathidong by military force and Rakhine Buddists. Many villages of Rohingyas burnt down, Many Rohingyas killed injured slaughtered in Arakan by Burmese Military and Rakhine Terrorists group.

Malala yousafzai the education activist added: “Over the last several years, I have repeatedly condemned this tragic and shameful treatment. I am still waiting for my fellow Nobel Laureate Aung San Suu Kyi to do the same. The world is waiting and the Rohingya Muslims are waiting.”

Also i havent put this up for debating because neither mine nor your opinion will change the fact that thousands of innocent people are being massacred. So please spread this as much as you can to make people aware of the cruelity going on.

#MuslimBan

I just learned that Donald Trump is signing an Executive Order that will list 6 predominately Muslim countries where travel/immigration to the USA will be banned: Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Iraq, and Iran.

Students on visas are advised not to leave the country because they may not be let back in. I have friends on green cards. They are advised not to leave the country. I have American and non-American Muslim friends that may be kept from seeing their family.

This is NOT ok! If you or anyone you know supports this ban, then FUCK YOU/THEM. Don’t even talk to me. I am so upset right now. I cannot stop crying. This is such a huge infringement on human rights. I am so upset. I cannot even breathe. I am worried about my friends. I am worried about my well-being, too.

Trump is going after Muslims for simply being Muslims! This is a signal of a kind of second-class status from the new executive that is intolerable.

Plus, mosques are being attacked and burned. This is the day people promised would never come; people said Trump would never and could never follow through on these things. Well, he did. Your promises were BULLSHIT.

So many people living in fear…

If anyone needs to talk or vent, I am here. Sisters, brothers…I am here. We have to stand together.

anonymous asked:

So I guess you hate the Irish for what the IRA did, right? Everyone involved in creating the horrible incident in Manchester should be punished! I am sick to my stomach to what just happened but Islamophobia has shown to be just as detrimental and many innocent people who are Muslim lose their lives from people being so blinded by their ignorant thoughts who take it out on INNOCENT PEOPLE! My heart goes out to each and every person who was or will be impacted by this. RIP to the victims.

I shall take this moment to clarify a few things.

In answer to your question about the IRA and the Irish, I do not hate the Irish for that the IRA did.

I am assuming this is in response to the post I reblogged not too long ago.

Do I have a hatred for muslims? No I do not, I work with and are friends with some muslims and they are some of the nicest people on the planet.

The reason I reblogged that post is that people we distracting away from the cowardly and disgusting attack that took place last night by talking about Islamaphobia when it hadn’t even been 12hours since the attack.

I have gone through many emotions today upon seeing what had happened and when more information came out.

My heart broke when more information about the victims has been released, including an 8yr old girl. 8 fucking years old who was having the night of her life which was cut short by a cowardly piece of shit who deliberately attacked children and teenagers. As far as I’m concerned that is my priority at the moment.

Is islamaphobia wrong? Of course, but at this moment in time it is the least of my worries when there were bodies of children lying in the foyer of the concert hall due to a piece of shit that I wouldn’t piss on if he was on fire.

Whoever is involved in this attack I hope they are punished and brought to justice by whatever means that is required.

anonymous asked:

so your anti Muslim in general I'm guessing from that statement? if I'm not mistaken you think all Muslims are terrible because a group of terrible people who happen to be Muslim did a terrible thing? in that case how do you feel about Christianity and their extremists? are all Christians evil because of the actions of a few? do you treat other belief systems with the same disdain or is it just Muslims in general?

Where did I specify Muslims?  I was detailing what Islam proclaims.  Islam is an idea, a religion.  Muslims are people.  This is the bullshit reason why people try and conflate Islamophobia with ‘hatred of Muslims’.

By your knee jerk reaction, you’re effectively making sure Islam can never be criticized because you conflate Islam with Muslims.  Nobody else does this. Antisemitism is the hatred of Jews, not the criticism or dislike of Judaism.

And so going by that, lets compare Christianity to Islam.

Christianity was born and raised under the thumb of the Roman Empire.  Jews, and later Christians, could not rise up against the Romans without being exterminated like pests in response.  Ergo, the faith actually survived because it was a subservient faith, meant to integrate.  

“Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s” is the epitome of Christian doctrine’s call for submission to outside forces.  It doesn’t matter what anyone actually does with the text.  It doesn’t matter what whack-job does in the name of Christianity.  What matters is what the text actually says.

Meanwhile, a Islam was raised on a steady diet of conquest.  Islam didn’t have to be submissive, it was the one forcing submission on others.  It was spread, by its prophet, by the edge of the sword.

Islam, as a religion, acts as an imperialist ideology that doubles as a political ideology, which is why you have Sharia Law.  It is why you have codified castes based on faith, with those who aren’t Muslim being considered an untermensch.  It is why the Quran demands that Muslims fight non-believers.

The Quran and Hadiths are full of awful fucking shit.  More so than the New Testament.  You can bitch all you want about “Christian Terror” or some shit, but between the Bible and the Quran, which actually supports said actions? 

Bad people will find justification to do bad things.  The difference is that when you have a holy book specifically telling its followers to DO BAD THINGS, then it is the religion’s fault.  

I’m criticizing Islam.  Not Muslims.  And if you can’t separate the two, you’re a collectivist idiot who doesn’t want Islam to reform in any way.  People like you don’t even fucking bother to know what you’re talking about before you leap at the chance to feel virtuous.

So take your whataboutery and fuck off.

(content warning, violence against minorities, Islamophobia, transphobia, homophobia, and rape mentions)

I’ve mentioned this before, but I really hate it when people use me as a way to score points against another group.

This blog post is going up specifically due to the “Muslims are bad, look what they do to gays” sentiment, but it applies pretty much anywhere.

One of the amazing things about human cognition is how we categorize things.  We are quick to view “us” as a group of unique people responsible for our own thoughts and actions, but “them” as a collective group.  This is the reason that, for example, when anyone even remotely associated with BLM (even so much as “once went to school with a protester”)  does something bad, we are quick to condemn them, anyone associated with them, etc.  And, on the other hand, when a white nationalist with white nationalist paraphernalia and a white nationalist website goes into a black church and explains why he has to kill black people, we’re not so quick to talk about the issues of racism or hate or nationalism.

The Pulse shooting was the first time in a long time I’d seen such an outpouring of sympathy for the LGBT community, and it wasn’t hard to guess why.  America doesn’t care when we die.  America doesn’t care when we hurt.  Something like a quarter of Americans don’t think we have the right to exist.  Just exist.  Not “get married” or “adopt” or “pee in the right bathroom.”

But we make a great token when a Muslim does something bad to us.  I remember being told that I should support the crusade against Islam because of what ISIS did to gay people.  Except it was framed as “Muslims throw gays off buildings, why aren’t you angry?”

Well, I am.  I’m angry at the people who throw gay people off buildings.  I’m angry at anyone who supports them.  But why would I be more angry at Muslims because of the actions of extremists than I would be at Christians?  White people?  Americans?

“Well,” they stutter or look away, “those are different.  Islam preaches violence against gay people.  Arabs are closed-minded and live in barbaric societies.  This is America, where we have freedom!”

Which is weird, because I grew up in a country where I was assaulted by white Christians and the police did nothing.  I was preached at by white Christians who quoted Timothy and Leviticus at me.  White Christians set up the laws saying who I can sleep with, date, marry, where I can pee or be employed.  When I bring these things up, you know what I usually get?

“But Muslims throw gays off buildings.”

You know, back to the beginning.

I’m an atheist.  I am an atheist in the sense that I do not see reason to believe a God or gods exist, sometimes known as “weak atheism” or “agnostic atheism.”  I don’t particularly believe in the tenets of either Islam or Christianity, but to be honest, I also don’t really care that they’re practiced.  I know there’s some ideological dispute over that, but I just want to live my life, and if people will let me live mine, I will let them live theirs.

So yes, Muslims throw gay people off buildings in the same sense that Christians curb stomp gays and men rape people.  The difference is, in America, we are quick to say “not all men,” but not so quick to say “not all Muslims.”  ISIS hates us.  They also hate them.  The Muslims.

What, did you think they were only tossing “infidel” gay people off buildings?

I don’t want to be a point to score against Muslims.  When people only get concerned if a Muslim hurts one of us, that’s what they’re doing.  They don’t care about us.  They may even hate us, they just hate Muslims more.

But the other problem is one I’ve already sort of touched on.  People take the fact that I’m not ready to bomb the Middle East back to the stone age as some sort of compliance with the specific people who are chucking gay people off buildings.  The idea seems to be that if I don’t hate all Muslims, I must therefore be okay with all Muslims.

And that’s wrong, too.

I oppose the practice of violence against minorities and women.  I oppose these being law.  I oppose homophobic, transphobic and misogynistic legal practices.  But not only are these not inherently Muslim things, they’re not inherently accepted by Muslims.

White nationalism is the leading cause of terrorism in the United States.  We don’t start complaining about white people.  In fact, if we do, it’s “reverse racism!”

Men are pretty undisputed when it comes to rape, even to other men.  We don’t start complaining about men.  In fact, if we do, it’s “misandry!”

When it’s someone who’s not “normal” with regards to our culture, though, suddenly, it’s different.  It only takes one.

If Muslims have to apologize for ISIS, I want white people to apologize for Dylann Roof and Timmy McVeigh and all those other “lone actors.”  If Muslims are bad for preaching violence against LGBT folk or for enacting violence against LGBT folk, I want other people to be held to the same standards: Christians being the first in line because they’re the majority in this country where people are telling me how bad it is we’re hurt by Muslims, and they’re the primary actors.

If you don’t hold everyone to those same standards, it’s bigotry.  It’s xenophobia, and likely racism.  And yes, I know that “lol Islam isn’t a race.”  Weirdly, though, it’s assumed that anyone not dark enough to qualify as black (and many who are) who acts in a violent fashion does so in the name of Islam, while lighter-skinned people are not.  It’s almost like actually being Muslim is a secondary concern.  Why could that be?

I’ve had Christians tell me how much safer I’d be if we got rid of Islam.  Ironically, I’ve had atheists tell me how much safer I’d be if we got rid of religion.  I sincerely doubt either is true.  Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris should be a starter on the list of people who demonstrate that atheism doesn’t stop you from being bigoted.

I am not a tool or pawn for your hatred of Muslims or any other group.  Stop using me as such.

anonymous asked:

It's not surprising that the first thing you do after hearing the news of the London concert bombing is defend your religion of peace. You know that eventually the news will confirm that some ISIS freak was involved. How long are you going to stay in denial for? If you continue to wear that thing on your head then you have no soul. You are a monster like the bomber in that concert. Religion of peace my balls.

1. I haven’t defended my religion against the London Concert Bombing since nothing has been confirmed about the incident so far? I really don’t know what you are talking about.

2. The first thing I said about the attack was that my thoughts and prayers with the victims and that people should not be spreading false information but useful info such as safe places and emergency services? 

3. I am not in denial of anything. ISIS is a politically motivated group that arose from destabilised Middle-Eastern countries. It has absolutely nothing to do with me as an Australian and I am even not overtly aware of their politics. Nothing they do aligns with Islam as a religion. 

4. Why am I monster? I haven’t done anything? I live on the other side of the fucking world. 

5. You’re a fucking monster for making a tragic incident about your hatred against Muslims. Yeah…you just made the deaths of real people including children about you. YOU. DISGUST. ME. 


I just can’t believe that you responded to the tragedy by harassing me. Are you even slightly aware of your hypocrisy? You could have done a hundred different things right now that could have actually helped people or offer support but you chose to do this. 

But I know you will scoff and pound on the keyboard harassing other Muslims who have ZERO involvement with the incident and ISIS and then pat yourself on the back for a good day’s work. 

Except you would have helped absolutely nobody affected by the tragedy and instead went to make other Muslims feel like shit for no reason at all?

Listen I don’t want this tragedy to be about me. I am already going to feel like shit when looking through comments by bigoted assholes like you but please don’t fucking send me bullshit like this and distract attention away from the victims towards me. 

I feel more awful about the fact that you would put time and effort into spreading hate rather than something supportive and positivity in a time when people need it most.

Seriously, fuck you.  

José Maria Mendiluce, an official of the UN High Commission for Refugees, was witness to the organized killing of unarmed Muslims in the town of Zvornik. He observed that they fit a pattern of atrocities carried out by the militia of Serb religious nationalist Vojislav Šešelj: “For days, the Belgarade media had been writing about how there was a plot to kill all Serbs in Zvornik. The authorities in Zvornik realized that the point in question was a typical maneuver by Šešelj’s Radical Volunteers. This maneuver always precedes the killing of Muslims, as had already happened in Bijeljina and many places along the left bank of the Drina River.”

An overlapping and robust ideology had taken shape. To refute any part or even most of the Serb radical position would only lead to new charges and channel the rage in new directions. In justifying the atrocities in Bosnia, Serb nationalists would point to atrocities by Croatian army forces in World War II or in the 1991 Serb-Croat war. When it was pointed out that the largely Muslim population selected for extermination had nothing to do with the Croat army and indeed had been attacked by the Croat army in 1993, Serb nationalists would shift to blaming all Muslims for the acts of those who fought with the Ustashe in World War II. When it was pointed out that many of the families who suffered the worst in the Serb army onslaught in Bosnia were families of World War II Partisans who fought against the Ustashe, Serb nationalists would shift to claims of Ottoman depravity and treat the Muslims as Turks. When it was pointed out that the Slavic Muslims were just as indigenous to the region as Orthodox Christians or Cath0lics, the discussion would then shift to allegations that the Bosnian Muslims were fundamentalists and that Serbia was defending the West against the fundamentalist threat of radical Islam. When it was pointed out that most Bosnian Muslims were antifundamentalist by tradition and character, the Serb nationalist would move to the final fallback position: that this was a civil war in which all sides were guilty, there were no angels, and the world should allow the people involved to solve their own problems.

Hatred of Albanians, hatred of Croats, hatred of Muslims (both Albanian and Bosnian) were combined and reinforced through endless loops of victimization not accountable to evidence or reason. Then the language of eternal victimization was flipped into a code in which charges of genocide against Serbs became a signal to begin genocidal operations against Bosnian Muslims.

—  Michael A. Sells, “Performing the Passion,” from The Bridge Betrayed: Religion and Genocide in Bosnia