movies: iron man

The Avengers as the Mythbusters! Couldn’t get this idea out of my head! Like, Tony just wants to blow stuff up mmk? And Bruce is the voice of reason. Fuck yeah, science! I’ll probably make a short comic for it too XD

Well, at least this conversation went better than the last one you two had.

Invincible Iron Man #8 is okay. I know idiots over the web are losing it because Riri as a little girl was trying to take following in people’s big footsteps a bit too literally. Because dark gods forbid we have kids act like kids, armrite?

Sorry, I’m having a beef with what kind of moronic bullshit and vitriol Riri’s online hatedom spews over everything she does. At this point, it became the biggest problem with this book - because no matter what Riri does there is a bunch of idiots who will uproar for the sake of being mad and exaggerate everything to the point of ridiculousness to have any arguments against her. It’s kinda sad how those people are desperate to hate her and how clearly they don’t have any good reason. And it makes me want this book to succeed more. 

I find it appalling that Tony Stark stans are willing to twist any bit of the narrative so they can “prove” how Riri is this horrible person and a disgrace to black people and unworthy the legacy of Stark…the same guy who has a list of asshole acts and atrocities longer than my arm. I mean, causing two wars? It’s a sort of tyranny of role model they are trying to impose on her, that black people and women in comics are often held to impossibly high standards by the audience and if they don’t uphold them, if they are not role models all the time, 24/7 on every panel and every page, then it is an excuse for a bunch of people (who I could describe with certain word that starts with “r” and rhymes with fascists) to declare them disgraces to the community….even if most of the time people declaring that are white dudes. 

That approach is harmful. it is actually harming the people the character was designed to appeal to. Marguerite Bennet spoke of this recently, saying how she could never relate to female characters who were that kind of role model who is always on their best act, because even as a kid she subconsciously knew she could never be like them - instead of relating to those characters or being inspired by them, they were discouraging. I cannot make an assumption that something similar could be happening with POC fans being forced to have every character representing them be a role model and not a real character, but if that would be the case, it would not surprise me at all.

Riri is not a role model. She is reckless, she gets manipulated even when she knows she’s being played, she is emotional, she dreams big and sometimes gets disappointed if things are too easy for her, she is a workaholic…all those are things you can see in this issue alone. And if someone is going to tell me those are traits of a mary sue or a disgrace…well, maybe you should rethink what kind of message you are actually sending.

- Admin

I’ve seen more than once people saying that the Iron Man mentor thing has ‘precedent in the comics’.

Yeah…lets talk about that for a minute.

Does it have precedent in the comics?

Yes.

Here is the thing…that doesn’t inherently justify something’s existence in an adaptation.

The Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon was not only garbage in general but three stories it decided it really should adapt were a lame Sandman story about him being divided physically into different people representing aspects of his psyche, Maximum Carnage and Planet of the Symbiotes.

Similarly Fant4stic adapted Ultimate Fantastic Four…which was not only deliberately trying to be generally different to the 616 F4 for the sake of it (so you know, by definition not really representing the characters very well) but it inherently missed the key points of the F4.

The F4 series is about, would you believe, FANTASTICAL science fiction and family.

So Mark Millar doing a ‘grounded and realistic’ comic book where the F4 are all in their 20s except for teenage Johnny Storm means Mark Millar either

a)    succeeded in doing an F4 series which was arbitrarily different for the sake of it, like a gigantic what if series

or

b)   Fucked up the FF

Either way it rendered Ultimate Fantastic Four fundamentally inappropriate for use in an adaptation of the Fantastic Four where the goal was (and should have been) to you know…do the Fantastic Four.

Much the same applies to this mentor father/student son relationship between Tony Stark and Peter Parker.

In the comics this relationship originates from the latter half of J. Michael Straczynski’s run…where Peter Parker is a 30 year old married man…and Tony Stark is at most like 50.

So yeah not much scope for a legitimate father son relationship is it?

And mentor/student?

Peter Parker had been a superhero for longer than Tony and was also vastly more experienced if you go by their on panel adventures.

So it was a relationship which never made much sense.

At most the MCU is taking a nonsensical relationship and remixing it a little by having a legitimately older and more experienced Iron Man mentor a new kid hero. But defending it via ‘it has precedent’ is kind of bullshit.

What’s worse though is that remixing it in this way actually really screws up the concept of Spider-Man.

Spider-Man was kind of created in part to serve as the anti-Robin.

He was the INDEPENDENT teen super hero. He didn’t have a mentor, he didn’t want a mentor and he stood or fell on his own two feet. He was an outcast to the public and even other heroes. He did everything alone and felt like the world was against him.

So to take an idea which didn’t really work for adult Spider-Man and transfer it to the teen Spider-Man for whom it technically works better but has an even bigger problem of selling out on who the character is, is not a defendable position.

IF that is what the movie will be.

We still don’t know.

Maybe it will all wind up okay.

But based upon what I’ve seen…we’re in for a Spider-Man who will be ‘learning from the older heroes’ rather than just you know…the actual Spider-Man.

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INFAMOUS IRON MAN #12

BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS (W) • ALEX MALEEV (A/C)
VARIANT COVER BY Alex Maleev
The epic climax to one of the most critically acclaimed stories of the year! With enemies on all sides, how can Victor Von Doom continue to carry on the legacy of Iron Man…especially when the legacy of Doctor Doom still haunts him at every turn?
Don’t miss this very special issue, as its events will have massive repercussions for the rest of the Marvel Universe!
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$3.99

@fearlessbansheeOh gosh, are you serious?! God, stop complaining about a movie you haven’t even seen yet! It’s an adaptation. It will never be exactly as the comics. Get over it.

Asshole, an adaptation isn’t a licence to change anything and everything you want.

I’m not asking for it to be word-for-word like the comics.

I’m asking it to you know…be Spider-Man in spirit at least.

Spider-Man with a mentor = You are not doing Spider-Man in spirit.

MAYBE it will be. As i qualified in the original post.

But based upon the trailers that are SUPPOSED to be giving you a hint as to what the movie will be like that is NOT the case.

Get it through your head.

It’s not a-okay to take Spider-Man in this direction in an adaptation that is supposed to be doing the character justice. 

At no point should Spider-Man ever be reminding you of Robin.