misty-mountains-song

“Misty Mountains” - Khuzdul

dlugiruk iklal-shathûrabbad
du’ikh-khaffad buzrâ ra’agur’gamil 
serrejmâ’uhrakh tabi bakn
du’mabkhanruki Gibshîn-magalyul’amâ


   Far over the Misty Mountains cold
dlugiruk iklal-shathûrabbad
        (to go far away+over)(cold+cloudy+mountain)

  To dungeons deep and caverns old
du’ikh-khaffad buzrâ r’agur’gamil
        
(to the prisons+deep) (and)(caverns+old)

  We must away ere break of day,
serrejmâ’uhrakh tabi bakn
         
(we who continue to leave+need)(before)(dawn)

  To find our long-forgotten gold
du’mabkhanruki  Gibshîn-magalyul’amâ
           (to discover plural) (Forgotten Treasury+ours)

——–Or the book lyric———–

   To seek the pale enchanted gold
du’mabkhanruki kidîz’lubma’zardur
       (to discover plural) (the gold+pale+containing magic) 

evil-bones-mccoy that might get you started. Keeping it in verse that could fit the tune was challenging. So there are elisions and interpretations. 

Also it’s like trying to sing in klingon with a mouthful of marbles. 

anonymous asked:

Hi! If it's not to much trouble I was wondering if there is a translation for the far over the misty mountains song. Most specifically the first part. Far over the misty mountains cold To dungeons deep and caverns old We must away ere break of day To seek the pale enchanted gold.

Hello Anon,

Thank you for that question. 

This has been one of the projects (translating the original J.R.R. Tolkien poem) I’ve been working on for a long time (it seems forever) in between video and dictionary updates and many other side projects.

Your question made me set some time apart and redo/complete a large part of the poem, including your requested translation.  As far as I’m aware the song from the first Hobbit movie is just over a minute long and contains only 2 or the original 26 quatrains (of which 13 are translated below). Those 2 used in the movie I’ve highlighted below.

The form used is: Original English Text - Neo-Khuzdul Translation [literal translation back to English]

Over The Misty Mountains Cold - Uru Malasul'abbad Kall. [Over Mist-like-mountains Cold.]

Far over the Misty Mountains cold, - Udlag uru Malasul'abbad kall, [Far away over mist-like-mountains cold,]
To dungeons deep and caverns old, - Du khaffad buzrâ r'agâr gamil, [To dungeons deep and caverns old,]
We must away, ere break of day, - Madlagi mat, tabi ibrizbakn, [We-go far away must, before sunrise,]
To seek our pale enchanted gold. - D'anshut kidizmâ majalakalbul lubma. [To seek gold-our enchanted pale,]

The dwarves of yore made mighty spells, - Khazud adrân farin tamahîn zarâd belkul, [Dwarves of ancient times (they) made spells mighty,]
While hammers fell like ringing bells, - Ina telâkh taslini azafr kethâm zurum, [While (smith-)hammers fell like bells ringing,]
In places deep, where dark things sleep, - Ni bizrîn, kûr kêl dush zelefôn, [In deep-places, where dark (unknown) things sleep,]
In hollow halls beneath the fells. - Ni dûm tumun undu zudrahanâd. [In halls hollow under the fells (high hills)]

For ancient king and elvish lord - Khama Uzbad farin ra zabad fundul [for King ancient and lord elvish]
There many a gleaming golden hoard - Yom êthârul mamamshul kidzul anlâkhul [There many that-which-is-hoarded golden shiny]
They shaped and wrought, and light they caught, - Biratakhsigîn ra tamahîn, ra ulkhud mahtatisîn, [They formed and made, and light they caught,]
To hide in gems on hilt of sword. - Du maharruk n'ibîn ai-kenaru zagr [To hide in gems on hilt of sword.]

On silver necklaces they strung - Ai-khagsmesêm kiblul takarrisîn [On silver necklaces they continued to attach (string)]
The flowering stars, on crowns they hung - Thatûr nangâ, ai-kalâm takhfishîn [Stars flowering, on crowns they hung]
The dragon-fire, on twisted wire - ‘urs uslukhul, ai-sanjezer masafrul [fire dragon-like, on wire twisted]
They meshed the light of moon and sun. - Mahnetejôn ulkhudu izgil ra ibriz. [they meshed light of moon and sun.]

Far over the Misty Mountains cold, - Udlag uru Malasul'abbad kall, [Far away over mist-like-mountains cold,]
To dungeons deep and caverns old, - Du khaffad buzrâ r'agâr gamil, [To dungeons deep and caverns old,]
We must away, ere break of day, - Madlagi mat, tabi ibrizbakn, [We-go far away must, before sunrise,]
To claim our long-forgotten gold. - Du jalâzrul kidizmâ sigin-magalyul. [To claim our gold long-(that which is)forgotten]

Goblets they carved there for themselves, - Ishlekrathkhdebân yom takfinîn khama izdufan, [Goblets there they carved for themselves,]
And harps of gold, where no man delves - Ra siginzadkhlefam kidzul, kûr mabakh ‘utn gunuda [And golden harps, where no man delves]
There lay they long, and many a song - Yom tashragîn sigin, ra êthârul kamâth [There they lay long, and many songs]
Was sung unheard by men or elves. - Makemethôn binmakaltul udu 'atân fa fanâd. [were (being) sung not (that which is) heard by men or elves.]

The pines were roaring on the heights, - Tarbzarâs tamgirîn aya azadâr, [(The) pine trees were roaring upon (the) heights,]
The wind was moaning in the night, - Bagd tanraniki ni zann, [(The) wind was moaning in (the) night,]
The fire was red, it flaming spread, - 'urs kasat baraz, 'ursul mahtamnigi, [(The) fire was red, firey it spread,]
The trees like torches blazed with light. - Zarâs azafr 'urstherâk biratarzidîn y'ulkhud, [(The) trees like torches blazed with light.]

The bells were ringing in the dale, - Kethâm zurum ni bizar, [The bells were ringing in the dale,]
And men looked up with faces pale. - R'atân tasakhumunîn ya durûz lubma. [And men looked up with faces pale.]
The dragon’s ire, more fierce than fire, - Khezraru uslukh, 'ugmazul m'urs, [Ire of the dragon, fiercer than fire,]
Laid low their towers and houses frail. - Tashragi bazir zarrakhizd ra zahhar sabk. [(he) laid low towers-their and houses frail.]

The mountain smoked beneath the moon. - 'Abad tashiri undu izgil. [(the) mountain (he) smoked under the moon.]
The dwarves, they heard the tramp of doom. - Khazâd, taklitîn faithû dumsu. [(the) dwarves, they heard the tramp of doom.]
They fled the hall to dying fall - Mahtashikîn dum du saln tamradi [They fled the hall to fall dying]
Beneath his feet, beneath the moon. - Undu ifâthhu, undu izgil. [Beneath feet-his, beneath the moon.]

Far over the Misty Mountains grim, - Udlag uru Malasul'abbad sulukh, [Far away over mist-like-mountains grim,]
To dungeons deep and caverns dim, - Du khaffad buzrâ r'agâr zukun, [To dungeons deep and caverns dim,]
We must away, ere break of day, - Madlagi mat, tabi ibrizbakn, [We-go far away must, before sunrise,]
To win our harps and gold from him! - D'azkuf siginzadkhlefâm ra kidiz biyhu! [To win harps-our and gold from-him.]

The wind was on the withered heath, - Bagd kasat ai-Funjumatanul, [(the) wind was on the Withered Heath,]
But in the forest stirred no leaf: - Ak ni zarsthuhru lu turuthumuna injam: [But in forest (group-of-trees) stirred up (disrupted the quiet) no leaf:]
There shadows lay be night or day, - Yom 'azûn shurugôn zann ra nurt, [There shadows lay night and day,]
And dark things silent crept beneath. - Ra kêl dush takt rurukifôn undu. [And things (unknown) dark silent crept under.]

The wind came down from mountains cold, - Bagd nekhifa biy 'abbad kall, [(the) wind came down from mountains cold,]
And like a tide it roared and rolled. - R'azafr 'âzah'âl mugura ra mahmegema. [And like tide (sea-flow) it roared and rolled.]
The branches groaned, the forest moaned, - Zarasî birahufunôn, zarsthuhru naranika, [(the) branches (elements of trees) groaned, the forest moaned.]
And leaves were laid upon the mould. - Ra nijâm shurugôn ai-makarfrolkâmin. [And leaves were laid upon the crumbling-soil (mould)]

The wind went on from West to East; - Bagd ganaga aya biy Zelem du Nud; [(The) wind (he) went from West to East;]
All movement in the forest ceased. - Sullu shuftu ni zarsthuhru tadrabi. [All movement in the forest stopped.]
But shrill and harsh across the marsh, - Ak rakhsh ra girigh urununur khulumshâlat, [But shrill and harsh across the marsh,]
Its whistling voices were released. - Kemâth-hu temmul makhuruyôn. [Voices-its whistling (they) were released.]

One of these days I’ll put some extra time aside to complete the whole poem and check the translation again (for any mistakes), but first I want to focus on some of the other more urgent projects I’m busy with (such as the new lessons).

Ever at your service,

The Dwarrow Scholar

Thorin, Fili, and the bunch of missed opportunities it entailed

I know I’m not the only person to have noticed how thin the bond between these two was and who would have gladly seen more interaction between Thorin and Fili, and considering the fact that the movies could have taken time to flesh it out but didn’t was kind of sad (I mean they took time to have Thranduil angsting over his dead wife and him talking with Tauriel about her love life in addition to the whole Alfrid/Bard antagonism affair, if they had time for that, they could surely have had time to spare for our main characters too, right?). Viewing the Hobbit trilogy again, I actually noticed that there seemed to have been a general decision made somewhere to privilege action scenes over character moments, and ultimately, I think the movies really suffered from it.

Don’t get me wrong, some of the action scenes I enjoyed (strangely enough, I was sort of into the Thorin/Azog on ice fight, and I know a lot of people have complained about that) but I think one of the reasons the Hobbit didn’t get near as good a following as Lord of the Rings was because there was never time put aside for the audience to invest in their characters (I’m discounting Thorin and Kili here, the movies made the female audience invest in them by making them the token good looking male characters). And, ultimately, I think that’s why I didn’t feel anything much when Thorin, Fili and Kili died. Sure, I was shocked with Filis’ death, Kili’s was so drawn out I was past caring at that point , and Thorin, I actually still don’t know how I feel about his death, to be honest, but it sure as hell didn’t affect me as much as Théoden’s even if it did upset me.

I’ll give the movies credit though, they did try to catch themselves up with the Thorin/Kili relationship which had some nice moments, but again, I never felt it was for a narrative purpose but rather to give more eye-candy to the twelve-year old girls who only wanted more Kili because he was pretty to look at. Sure, it brought more Kili, but I never got the impression that it made his character go forward in it’s individual story.

But at least I did get a sense of family between the two, I went out of Battle of the Five Armies knowing that Thorin cared about Kili because he was his nephew and they were family.

Fili?… Not so much.

Having not read the book before seeing any of the films (I have since though), I didn’t know the three of them were related before the “I belong with my brother” scene, and even then, Thorin as Fili’s uncle just felt odd to me. Thorin never cared about Fili before then, why should I believe these two are related and share a close bond now?

Anyway, before Battle of the Five Armies came out, I was hoping for some conclusion between the two (especially since the fact that Fili choosing to side with Kili rather than Thorin left room for some conflict in Battle of the Five Armies), waiting for a small moment where they wouldn’t be King Thorin and Crown Prince Fili. Needless to say, the third movie left me pretty disappointed, especially after, when I reflected on how they could have set up the relationship to make it feel more real, because ultimately, while we were supposed to care about Fili, neither the audience nor Thorin/Kili/Dwalin were invested in him before his death (hell, I still find that Bilbo’s reaction to his death is still the most profound out of the four). Although, when I saw Thorin’s reaction for the first time and the sheer pain he was displaying at losing his sister-son (even if it was only five seconds), made me realize that had the films wanted to, this could have been such a more poignant moment had they just set up Thorin and Fili as close as Thorin and Kili were. And they’d even attempted in in An Unexpected Journey with this:

(Where in Mahal’s name was this scene anyway? Was it judged useless because “oh, it’s character development, burn it!”??)

So obviously, after Battle of the Five Armies, I sort of went on a hunt for any scraps of nephew Fili/Uncle Thorin they might have given us in the background without any real intention of doing so. And I found some. And just imagining that, had the writers thought about including a mention to family or including character development between the two in the scenes, yeah, it would have made them so much better.

I’m by no means a cineaste or a script-writer or a film analyst (actually, I’m just a fairly ordinary university student), but let’s take a look at these, shall we?

So, this is the first time we see the three of them (Thorin, Kili and Fili) in close proximity, but I don’t think anyone registered them as family. Fine, I won’t blame the movie, at this point, moving on with the story is more important than establishing familial ties, but it’s a pity they didn’t spare a moment for Thorin to inquire on his nephews after the dinner and the talk about reclaiming the mountain, just, you know, a minute talk with Fili (or Kili, really it doesn’t matter here) asking him if they had trouble along the road and if they’re all right, just to establish them as a family to the audience.

It could have been slipped in right here, before or after Thorin’s conversation with Balin or even after the Misty Mountains song. He could have caught either Kili or Fili and had a two minute catching up with them and let the audience know they were related. It would also have helped the audience invest in their characters to, I think: if Thorin cares about these two dwarves, they’re obviously a little more important to him than the rest of the company, maybe I should care about them too.

The scriptwriters were really against character development though, I’m starting to begin to think that there was maybe even some signed accord there for them to expressively ignore any character development at all. *Sigh*

We move on to the orc joke.

So with this, the movie chose to opt with a back story for Thorin, I’m not saying it’s a bad idea, but it could also have served as an opportunity for the audience to see Thorin interacting with his nephews. He clearly reprimands them joking about the orcs to Bilbo, so why not have him continue, remind Kili and Fili (probably Fili more so since he’s the elder and he would probably expect him to act accordingly)  that this is not a behavior expected from a prince of the line of Durin?

Bilbo could then come back to Fili and Kili, have them apologize to him and have them explain their relationship with Thorin to a puzzled little Hobbit. Wouldn’t that have worked just as well as setting up Thorin and Azog? Bilbo would have learnt that on top of Thorin being the future king of Erebor, he also brought his two direct heirs with him, and that Fili, Kili and Thorin all share a family bond.

Same for the troll incident: technically, that was sort of Kili and Fili’s fault, as they kind of pushed Bilbo into rescuing the ponies, and inadvertently, they got everybody trapped. Thorin should have reprimanded them, and if not both brothers, at least Fili, as he’s the oldest and he more than likely expects him to know better. It would have shown the two as family, it probably would have shown that Fili is sort of stuck between being the young carefree brother he is with Kili while at the same time having the weight of Thorin’s expectations on his shoulders, and it would have shown that Thorin can’t really be a father to them and has to treat them the same way he treats the rest of the company (and it would have made Armitage’s statement “he can’t really be a father to them, but he does try” a little more relevant too, in my opinion).

 After they leave Rivendelle, the dwarves then encounter the stone giants, and no, it was not Kili who nearly got crushed (or did Kili become blond all of a sudden?):

I don’t know about you, but I feel they could have at least had Thorin ask them if they were all right, make sure they weren’t hurt. A member of my family gets that close to dying, I sure as Hell don’t order them back on their feet as soon as they get their wits about them. Fili almost got squished into a mountainside along with Bombur, Dwalin, Bofur and Ori, I have a slight inclination to the fact that he’s probably a little shaken and would not be opposed to a little comfort. You know, like anybody after a near death experience?

And the fact that Thorin could have showed how he felt after seeing a member of his family come so close to death would probably have made the audience invest itself too, let them know that no, these characters aren’t super heroes, they can die just as easily as you and me, but at the same time, they’re also relatable because they can express the same feelings as us towards those they care about (and I think any movie-goes would be able to relate to a concept such as family). 

Our company then moves on to Goblin Town where they are brought in front of the Great Goblin, and if you look well, you can find this gem:

Instead of having the Goblin King threaten to harm Ori to make Thorin talk, wouldn’t it have almost been more logical for him to threaten Fili or Kili instead? It would have played on the family dynamics between the three and fleshed out that, once again, Thorin would have to chose whether he remains in his position as future king and let Kili/Fili be tortured or step in because he wants to prevent them from getting hurt (granted, we get that enough in fanfic with the oh so many variations of “goblins-torture-Kili” trope that it’s not even original anymore).

But the fact that it’s there still makes the scene a lot more poignant. Whether it was a direction in the scene or a spur-of –the-moment decision by Armitage to reach out I don’t know, but kudos to whoever is behind it. It’s a pity it didn’t get any follow-up with a little more interaction between the three though.

And it’s a pity we didn’t get any more little moments like this between the three of them during the rest of the trilogy too.

What I can reproach Fili/Kili in this scene is that they don’t seem to fight to save their uncle, or rather, we don’t get to see their reaction to Thorin getting the crap beaten out of him. If they’re supposed to be close, wouldn’t they try a little harder to get to him? Granted, Goblin Town was one of the first sequences filmed in the movie, and from what I’ve heard, both Mr Turner and Mr Armitage didn’t seem to get along too well with Mr Kazinsky (who was originally set to play Fili before he quit the production), so them not having a close Thorin/Kili/Fili bond isn’t too surprising if you look at it that way.

But still, it’s a pity we didn’t get any inner conflict from either Kili or Fili. Their uncle is beaten down by a pack of goblins and we don’t get to see how they react to the very real possibility that one member of their family, the member they’ve probably spent most of their life looking up to and hero-worshipping, might not make it out of Goblin Town alive.

I’m also guessing that Thorin has told Kili and Fili about Azog, I mean it would make very little sense for him not to have, so I’m going with the idea that they know what kind of danger he represents both to Thorin and to themselves.

Why did we not get either Kili or Fili’s reaction to this? Their uncle almost dies, it could have set up the third movie, been a slight foreshadowing of what was to come (before the horrendous love triangle was added, thus forgetting Kili cared about family) and really show the audience that while Thorin cares about his nephews, it goes the other way too, Kili and Fili look out for him.

Up until this point, I think it’s pretty safe to say that Fili has always admired Thorin and probably sees him as a sort of invincible leader, who will reclaim his kingdom with them at his side, this here would be a huge blow to the fantasy he’d have made up in his head! Seeing his own uncle fall so easily and the shock of being reminded that Thorin is after all, only human would have given the scene more impact, I think (sort of like Eowyn watching the Nazgul literally swipe Théoden off his horse in Return of the King, now that, I felt was a powerful scene!). The scene works fine by itself, but with his nephew’s reactions, I’m sure it could have been even more heartfelt.

At least we got this, even if it never really resulted in anything, except making sure that Fili’s defining trope was “I’m here to care about my family”. (I’m still grateful it was added in though, especially given how little Fili had to do in Desolation of Smaug and Battle of the Five Armies).

By the way, was there a reason for them to cut the river scene where Kili and Fili nearly drown when one of the ponies bolts? Did the movie company just not want to take the risk? (Especially if you take into account that due to previous works of his -Spooks, Robin Hood, Captain America, and Strike Back I believe too (?) come to mind-, Armitage is not too comfortable filming scenes involving water, maybe some of the other actors were slightly hydrophobic too?). I’m still curious as to how it would have played out, and especially the little insight it could have given us to a little more of how the Durin family worked, even if I know it would have been heavily focused on Kili.   

(Oh look, Thorin and Fili sharing a shot together!)

So the company is saved by the eagles and takes shelter at Beorn’s house, after which they then head for Mirkwood, and I think this is where things start to fall apart.

If I remember well, in the book, the company originally arrive at a river and aren’t too sure whether they ought to cross it or not because they can’t see the other side. Thorin sends Fili to take a look because he’s “the youngest and still has the best sight”. Thorin and Fili actually had a tiny direct moment together in the canon book… And of course, it was taken out *sigh*

They even gave Fili the rope, it’s a pity they didn’t use the original material for once:

They then venture into the hallucinogenic Mirkwood, get captured…And yeah, I want to stop here for a moment.

Thorin is made aware that his friends and two members of his family are captured, he’s given an opportunity to set them free, and he just tosses it away? Fine, Thorin is stubborn, but is he really ready to have them all rot away in a cell because he doesn’t want to tell Thranduil what they were doing? (I get that he wants to keep the fact that he’s heading back to Erebor a secret, but the fact that he’s so quick to sentence his twelve friends to life imprisonment is a little harsh…)

Thorin gets sent back down to his own cell… And voilà. I don’t really know what to say here, but I feel there’s something missing. He gives up really easily, and the dwarves don’t try to talk it among themselves. Thorin doesn’t inquire after his family’s well-being either, nor does he apparently hear Kili shmoozying up to the Mary Sue elf (which, I do not think he would approve of, no matter how lenient he is on Kili).

Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad Thorin’s learnt that he can rely on other people than himself, but shouldn’t he at least be inquiring on Kili and Fili’s well being?

(Well, Kili is a little busy though…)

And this Kili/Tauriel fling is never brought up after they escape Mirkwood, neither between Thorin and Kili nor Fili and Kili (who, in the third movie, definitely shows that he’s not 100% supportive of his brother’s crush on Thranduil’s captain of the guard when Kili simpers on the side of the lake with her after the destruction of Lake-Town).

Kili gets shot, they make it to the shore, and Thorin orders them all on their feet again. I don’t know, but I feel this could have been turned into a nice family moment. It didn’t have to be long, but Thorin just checking on his nephews (one of whom just got shot –because he did something silly and to serve the love-story yes, but he still got shot-) or at least have him care for a moment.

But any emotional reaction from the part of a male character seems to be forbidden almost each time it’s possible to have one in these series, so no, we can’t have a heartfelt moment.

However, this scene, I really wish they’d expanded more on:

Sure, Thorin isn’t “Uncle Thorin” in this scene, but we could have gotten so much more insight on the family as a whole, not just Thorin/Fili. Instead of having Thorin tell Kili and Fili that Durin’s day was approaching and that they needed to make way as soon as possible, I don’t know, but couldn’t the scene have been longer? Couldn’t there have been just something between Thorin and his nephews added too? Hell, even if it was only to tell us how bad Kili’s injury was, I still think it would have been better than nothing.

Onto Thorin leaving Lake Town and Kili and Fili behind… Okay, I’ve done an analysis of this scene already, and I know I’m not entirely correct in it, but then that’s what’s great with reblog features, you get to see other people’s views on scenes and new insight, which is super interesting :) . So I won’t go over this part in detail. I still can’t bring myself to like it, I don’t know why, but there’s something in the scene I just don’t like.

Anyway, Fili stands up to Thorin, Thorin leaves him and Kili behind without too much hesitation and the two are left with Bofur and Oin (who, while he stayed in Lake-Town, wasn’t much use in helping Kili at all, he’s a healer but his purpose for staying behind was made useless because of Tauriel’s Mary Sue powers).

Which brings us into our third installment, starting with Thorin watching Lake-Town (and, supposedly, his two nephews), burn.

I’ve come across quite a few people who absolutely hate the fact that Thorin should be excused his behavior because of the “dragon sickness” and I’ve also seen people who take it more as a mental illness, saying Thorin wasn’t in his right state of mind during most of the time he was under the influence of the gold. Honestly, I actually can’t decide where to position myself on this one, so I’ll just be neutral, and say that at the beginning of Battle of the Five Armies, Thorin does not care about whether his nephews survive the burning of Lake-Town or not, he doesn’t even look at Lake Town burning, for that matter.

Fili and the others make it back to Erebor, (but this whole sequence of the “Lake-Town dwarves” getting back to Erebor just felt like a bunch of shots all stuck together with no real coordination or flow between them) and Kili and Fili are reunited with Thorin… and do nothing about their uncle’s mental state.

I think if anything, Fili knows his uncle’s not doing too well, so why none of the dwarves do anything to attempt getting Thorin out of the gold chambers or Hell, maybe even start thinking about naming Fili their leader instead (seen as he is still sane and next in line to the throne after Thorin), I don’t know.

That’s another scene I would have loved. I know it’s been done in fanfics before (usually with Kili, but heh, he’s the fandom favorite, what can I say?), it’s just a pity they skipped on all the family drama it could have brought to the movie.

On top of that, it would also have brought some form of closure to Fili standing up against Thorin in Lake-Town, because yeah, Fili sided with his brother instead of Thorin, but we never really saw any consequences that “betrayal” (it’s not really a betrayal, per se, but it’s just the best word I can come up with) regarding Thorin’s perspective of it. Did Thorin not feel hurt by that? That Fili, who had sided with him up until Lake Town would side with his brother instead?

Nevertheless, Thorin does seem kind of happy to see that the four of them made it back in one piece (even if he is half-crazy at this point):

I’ve already written another post about how baffled I am at the fact that the dwarves don’t do anything about gold crazed Thorin, but regarding the Thorin/Fili dynamic and bringing that forward, when Thorin starts suspecting people in the company are ready to backstab him, why doesn’t he suspect Fili and Nori first?

Nori, well, his backstory in the movie is that he’s a thief, it would make sense for Thorin to suspect him of stealing the Arkenstone, even if we know absolutely nothing about Nori because the movies didn’t deem him interesting enough for the audience to invest in, sadly.

Fili, well Fili has already shown he can put other things above being loyal to the company and to him, in Thorin’s malfunctioning mindset what would stop Fili from robbing the Arkenstone and giving it to Bard and the others? Or even keeping it for himself?

In the movies, Fili is the older nephew, next in line to the throne, wouldn’t gold-crazed Thorin not see him as a threat to his royal status and suspect him of treachery more so than any other member of the company? Because the other dwarves (excepting Kili, but he’s the younger brother) have no claim to the throne. Fili has, and were he in possession of the Arkenstone, gold-crazed Thorin would probably fear his nephew would try to overthrow him. They’d even started dealing with Thorin’s paranoia, it’s just such a pity it didn’t go any further, have his insanity harm the core of his family and eventually make Thorin come to his senses with what that lust for gold would have turned him into.

Because they seriously had no problem in the acting department, that’s paranoia right there for you:

But nope, the movie needs to focus on other unimportant things, and we only really get back to Fili and Thorin when Bard shows them that Bilbo gave him the Arkenstone.

Again, they had the beginning of something there too, with Fili defying his uncle once more, but it’s never brought anywhere. Fili stands up against Thorin, but right after Bilbo goes down the rampart, nothing. Thorin doesn’t get into a conflict with him about being the crown prince and owing his loyalty to him, Thorin doesn’t have him arrested for treason, Fili doesn’t say anything… Yeah, there could have been so much more drama between the two there, and not just them, but the whole company could have spoken up too.

The forehead touch, I’m not going to take this away from Kili, but couldn’t it have been a whole family moment? I don’t know, but I’m guessing that Fili is just as happy as Kili that his uncle is back and sane once again, I’m sure he wouldn’t have minded being included in the family gesture. Imagine if your parent had just gone through a severe mental illness and had turned against you no matter what efforts you made, and then imagine him, after recovering, expressing how glad he is that your sibling is there but not you, wouldn’t you feel a little hurt? I get that the film-makers chose to make Kili a preeminent role by giving him the love-story and this scene which was shown in the trailers, but I still feel that it could have been turned into a family scene without losing any of the emotion to it.

Besides, to everyone arguing that this is Thorin apologizing to Kili for leaving him in Lake-Town, Thorin also owes Fili an apology for how he treated him on the ramparts, if you ask me. If the screenwriters didn’t want him included in the forehead touch moment, I still feel like they could have had Thorin taking him aside for a moment after he sends everyone to get their armor on, just the time for a quick apology and a “I’m proud of you too”, it wouldn’t have needed to be over a minute, and it would have established the two as close too (maybe not as close as Thorin and Kili, but we would at least have had had something going for their relationship), that Fili was also part of the family.

*sigh* That’s probably too much to ask for.

So they go out and fight, and Thorin brings Kili and Fili up to Ravenhill, sending them to scout the watchtower, and sharing his only piece of direct dialogue with Fili in Battle Of The Five Armies, which, unsurprisingly, still revolves around keeping Kili safe (have I said how much I hate the “protective big brother” trope already? Brothers protect each other, it doesn’t matter who’s older or who’s younger. These films should really have watched the Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe, I feel, they could have learnt a lesson there…):

I know there wasn’t much time and they had to be quick, but a small “be careful” would have been nice to hear, to be honest, especially since this is the last scene Thorin and Fili share together, it’s a pity to have him being cold/stern (but then the situation requires it, Thorin can’t go soft on them at that point in the movie), but then I guess that’s how far their relationship goes. There’s nothing familial there, Thorin respects Fili and Fili respects Thorin, it’s not a relationship as close or as open as Thorin’s with Kili I suppose, Thorin isn’t going to spare a reassuring gesture or a comforting word with Fili because he doesn’t expect Fili to need it. And Fili doesn’t, even if it would have been nice to have a moment where Thorin might have been a little more “lenient” with him too, because the way he orders Fili around doesn’t exactly scream “close family” to me.

And *another sigh*, yeah, the death scene.

My God did I hate it at first. I was super shocked in the cinema and didn’t feel a thing for the rest of the movie, and I also felt that it had been a terrible injustice to Fili, have him dragged out like a weakling, not see him fight and used as bait to lure Thorin into fighting Azog when that had been precisely what he’d set out to do when he’d decided to go up to the watchtower in the first place. I’ve since been able to come to terms with it, to a degree. The death itself wasn’t exactly what bugged me, but rather the fact that it was completely useless.

Fili dies and Kili runs in the exact direction of where Fili told him not to go, he tells Thorin to run and Thorin just comes over and gets himself killed too (I know it’s canon to the books, Thorin, Kili and Fili were inevitably going to die, but Fili’s last moments were just made so useless…).

I’ll give credit to Armitage though, his expression as Fili dies means everything. I never got the impression that Thorin cared for Fili before sending him to the watchtower, but this:

This definitely made me believe he cared (for the five seconds that it lasted, but it was there, and I very much doubt the people making the movie asked for it seen as how they couldn’t care less about Fili). It’s just such a pity that it sort of fell flat because the relationship hadn’t been built prior to Azog killing Fili. I’m sure that had the movie set aside time for the audience to know the dwarves, spare a moment for them to see Thorin actually caring about Fili (even if it was subtle or descreet), Fili’s death scene would have been a lot more poignant than the heartless execution that it was.

As it was though, Thorin’s shock only lasts a few seconds before he heads over to the watchtower and Kili runs off, leaving his brother behind. And ultimately, Fili was left for the crows, no Bilbo or Tauriel came for him because none of the rest of the company were shown to share a bond with him. It’s just a pity that the movie makers hadn’t put more faith into the dwarves and what they could have brought, the result would have probably been a lot more satisfying.

I do not believe that this is the way to finish off a supposedly main character, nobody in either the Hobbit trilogy or the Lord of the Rings movies was abandoned like that, not even Merry and Pippin, who were supposedly dead, Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas at least tried to search for them and when they thought them dead, they expressed it and took a moment to mourn their friends.

I know I’ll be forever bitter about how they shot themselves in the foot regarding the Thorin/Fili dynamic. They had everything going for it, and didn’t sieze the opportunity, instead focusing on subplots like Legolas’ mother, the terrible love triangle, Mary-Sue’s artificial storyline and Alfrid, which certainly did not bring any emotional impact into the plot.

Hey, males are just as capable of caring for their family and showing it on screen as females, you know?

[Listen] The Last Goodbye

“All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither, 

Deep roots are not reached by the frost.”

The vocal songs I could find after the last journey ends and the new one is waiting to begin.

Edge of night // Misty mountain cold // Song of the lonely mountain // Council of Elrond // Lament for Gandalf // Laurië Lantar // Haldir’s lament // Breath of life // Twilight and shadow // May it be // In dreams // The end of all things // Gollum’s song // Into the west // I see fire // The last goodbye // Blunt the knives

[8Tracks]

Their conversation is brief, Thorin throws out a curt thanks for the hobbit’s hospitality. The hobbit stumbles through his response. The somber mood from moments ago still weighs on them. Bilbo avoids the dwarf’s gaze, out of guilt. When Thorin looks at Bilbo, he sees a flicker of hope already gone dark.

This moment is right after the Misty Mountains song, and well before Bilbo makes his decision to join the company.

I’m doing a series, probably around 10 illustrations if I can manage it, of ‘Bagginshield’ in between moments in AUJ, I’m trying to throw in a little character development along with it so it’ll probably get more exciting as it goes along.

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Richard Armitage sings Misty Mountains song

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What a beautiful voice, My King :’)