I just read a post about the different Splinters, and the OP basically went on and on about how 2012 Splinter was the crappiest ever. No parent is perfect, but I guess they think Splinter actually disciplining his children is abuse. True, he wasn't fully honest about the issue with him and Shredder/Shen, but he is flawed and I'm sure had justifiable reasons. But implying he's abusive I think is taking it too far.
I too saw that, and that is the views of others, I cannot change that, but I do understand both points.
See in Asia, their discipline is way stricter then ours, which is why it may look like abuse to those who do not understand the Japanese culture and their ways. Ill assume that OP is an american, like myself, and if not, so sorry about that. Which is why they see it as abuse. I see it as discipline and do not hold Yoshi accountable for his actions.
We must remember, he was BORN and RAISED in japan, he was TRAINED under a MASTER just like the turtles. He is going off by what his SENSEI brought to him, just as the turtles might one day do with their children, and I believe the turtles will have that kind of happiness, cause why the hell not. Turtles deserve that too.
Anyways, I can see why others see that Splinter is abusive, they dont understand. And thats okay. He may have done wrong, but in his eyes, he thought he was doing right, and he is FAR FROM PERFECT, but he has been caring and loving. I have multiple examples of where his father side takes control. Not with just Leo either. He has given each son his time and attention, maybe not a lot of the times, but as I always say, the fans gotta do some work to, they wont show a lot of moments on screen, due to plot, time, ect. So thats where we fans take the time to make those little father to son moments happen off screen, if that makes sense at all.
Here let me list some examples:
Season 1- 3: He was always there for guidance, no matter what, he always let Leo vent and express how he was feeling, his worries about being leader and he was there to give advice when needed, he was also there to help with Leo’s girl problem when it made itself known, Splinter may let Leo express his feelings, but he will be the most stern towards his oldest son, for the fact that Leo is the oldest. But I never saw much of his “abuse” come out in the later seasons. If you actually notice, Splinter becomes more trusting of Leo’s actions and decisions with every season, he stops questioning, and in return Leo flourishes into the Leader he is now.
Season 4: I wanted to sepreate this season from the other three, for the soul fact that even in spirit, Splinter was still with Leo. In a way, he was making Leo sane through the space arc, he was healing his son, even though he wasnt actually there. Leo was broken, and still needed his father, and I really think in spirit, Splinter was there. Even if it was just a hologram.
Seaons 1-3: These seasons really focused on Splinter and him scolding Raph about his anger issues, which considering what happened with him and his own past, I can see why Splinter is so hard on his hot headed son, deep down he’s terrified of Raph going through that kinda thing. He probably even sees Shredder when Raph starts going crazy with such anger towards Leo. Its why he was always on Raph, and maybe he could of handled that better, but in his own way he was struggling to prevent history repeating itself. The last thing he could bare is to see that happen to his own children.
Season 4: We actually recieved a nice little episode that had a Raph and Splinter scene, but instead of the usual anger stuff, he actually helped Raph to overcome his phobia. And that was a nice change. It was great to see that dad side come out again.
Now here is where it gets tricky.
Season 1: We had an episode of where Donnie was trying something new, of course it didnt have much of splinter in it except for when he’s okaying his sons request about his new weapon, but I remember at the end where Donnie’s brothers were about to become Kraang toast, Splinter came in and gave Donatello the hard truth and said when Donnie really needed to hear at that point, which gave his son the….confidence? he strongly needed.
Season 2: Splinter was there when Donnie was obsessing with April, of course seeing your son beating himself up over his first friend, can make any parent intervene. He taught Donnie a lesson and in the end when Donnie was about to loose hope, he said to Donnie the famous words, “Never give up hope” which gave Donnie the hope he needed. So in his own way, he was always there for Donnie.
Now in the other two seasons, there wasnt many moments of Donnie and him that I can remember, now if you guys have any you can remember then feel free to add some!
Now here comes the baby of the family, of course he had moments with master Splinter in season 1, but we must not forget the moment in season 3 where Splinter go hurt by Slash and Mikey was willing to stay with him, right by his side, it was a small moment, but it was a moment. Also lets not forget the emotional moment at the season 3 finale.
Mikey had more emotional moments with Splinter then all of them if you wanna get more technical about it. Even though it wasnt shown a lot, we know Mikey and Splinter had some moments.
Mikey and Donnie with Rat Daddy:
Lets also not forget the amount of hugs they do
Not only he was a father to his own boys but he also took in April as his own, trained her, and considered her as his child.
And of course his bond with his own blood child. The child he thought he would never see again…
I can list a lot about the 2012 Splinter, yes he disciplines tough, but his love is unconditional, he’s always there when they needed him, wheather it was a kick in the butt or wise words, he is always there, no matter what.
He is no abuser, if he was abusive, he wouldnt dare let the turtles express their feelings like they do with no consequences, no if he was abusive, he’d be Shredder. Calling Splinter abusive is basically calling him Shredder.
There is a big, A HUGE difference between abuse, and being a strict father.
Compare Splinter with how Shredder treated Karai, then talk, and if they still say Splinter is an “abusive” father, then thats their opinions, let them be. We cant do nothing more to change that.
Also theres one more thing I love to add to this…..
About Splinter focusing on Leo, thats not just in TMNT 2012, if you venture back theres multple verses where its Splinter with Leo.
Hell thats what 2003 vers was mainly about, was Leo and Splinter, but mainly Leo. There were only a few episodes where I saw Splinter connect with his other sons, so dont hold that to just the 2012 Splinter, because EVERY version is that way, Leo HAS ALWAYS been the one that Splinter mainly focuses on, and it makes sense, Leo is and will always be the leader, so of course he will always be the one who gets more attention, more pressure, and more moments, sorry that i burst that bubble. But I did. I did my history. So dont go there, dont use that as some reason to say Splinter 2012 can go to hell, and bull like that.
I dont care if you hate him or like him, but dont single him out in that department, finish your research, I mean for god sakes watch the 2003 vers, That one is the main one that focuses on Leo!!! I think thats why its my least favorite verse. It drove me bonkers. haha. And the IDW I dislike really, I think thats actually the only Splinter I actually dont like.
Okay I think my damage is done here.
No offences was intended, sorry if you got offended. If you wanna discuss more stuff like this or fangirl with me, feel free to inbox me!
To appreciate how much the animation has improved on this show…
Okay so I couldnt find the exact replica of Mikey and Donnie, but they are pretty close.
Anyways, just look at the detail they put, theyve always done that but now…its like in your face! Its so much better, I gotta give them kudos, I love their progress on the animation, I loved it before but now it just makes me adore the show even more!
Just look at Leo from season 1 then look at the Leo in season 3! Now that just shows how much they’ve improved! Ugh I love it! haha.
Note: I am pointing out someone who needs it, this is just a suspison, but I have a feeling this is the person who’s been insulting Ciro and Brandon, you can read more about that, but this is just a feeling, no I am not accusing anyone.
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Lets start with this first comment. Yes Im breaking this down FOR ME! NOT TO BE MEAN. So please, feel free to leave, as I said up above.
“Because we obviously know nothing about her. Raph knows nothing about Mona or her personality. He only knows that she can fight. He likes her look. That’s not love. That’s lust.”
Well considering they are both reptiles, and not all human, these two acted on animal instincts, and in the animal kingdom, its kind of run on instincts.
Now we know shes a high strong, shes blunt and to the point, which is why he likes her, she doesnt like taking other peoples crap, which is another quality he would like about her. So there are two quailities I just listed of her personailty. Lets also add in that, she is honorable, that is a quality they both share. Also, who cares if its lust or love, these two have been canon since 1980, since Raphael Meets His Match aired. Just letting you know on that infomation.
“it’s pretty sad that this show teaches kids that beauty matters the most. Most of the female characters are there only for the franchise and only to be love interests.”
Really? Cause, from what it taught me that girls can kick ass. Looks shouldnt matter the most, I think thats what you took from this show. Mona is a lizard, yes she can be pretty in the eyes of the beholder, but to others, these girls can be ugly as hell and still be amazing. THEY ARE NOT JUST LOVE INTERESTS.
Im so sick of people using that as a reason, no, These girls are surely NOT JUST THAT. If that was the case, they wouldnt get so much love that they do, they get more love then hate, why? because they have likable personalities.
Lets take a look at these girls, shall we?
Karai: Complex story, rebel, smart mouthed female ninja who’s quick on her toes, and was reunited with her father, only to have it taken away from her, again. Her mother was killed by the man who kidnapped her and made false stories up about her REAL father, just so he could keep her.
April: A half human/half kraang. Psychic powers. High strong, stubborn and a firey red head. Was a normal girl until the Kraang kidnapped her dad, after reuniting with him, it didnt last long when he got mutated. twice. Puts up with ALOT of stuff in her life. Her mother lost, her father always gone, the only friends she has are guys, her best friend turned out to be Kraang Prime. Oh lets not forget that this season her powers are growing, and getting better as this series progress.
Renet: Saved time itsself from being destroyed by Salvanti. ((Forgive me for misspelling his name)) spent six months looking for the turtles, saved them once again. Shes clumsy, a dork, a legit fan of the turtles. She kicked ass when it was much needed, quick thinker, and a total sweetheart.
Mona: Shes a second in commant, a lutinent. An honorable warrior. Head strong, at first she was quick to judge, but soon came to realize that the others may not be so bad. She teamed up with the turtles, and fought side by side, both times now.
We still dont know much about Mona, but that doesnt mean we wont know anymore. Also, these personalities and qualities dont matter huh, since I guess they’re just love interests. or just here to please the franchise. No you know what, April 2012 has more of a personality then the 1980s April. So please dont start that bullsh*t with me, because thats just it, bullsh*t.
“Girls aren’t useless, you know. Mona’s character is pretty good. She’s badass and I don’t hate it.”
But wait, didnt you say that these girls are just to be love interests? Oh wait, MOST. Whoops.
“I hate their rushed and forced relationship.”
Okay, I am not trying to change your opinion or whatever, but Im gonna let you in on a secret…..THIS RELATIONSHIP WAS NEVER FORCED. you wanna see forced? Leorai, Miket, hell even freaking Apriltello is forced. Why, because unlike the other 3 pairings, we’ve seen Raph and Mona together, before in the 80s series. Which is why it feels natural, just in a different version.
The relationship rushed? now see thats where it depends, Raphael didnt just like her off the bat, vice versa. They both were trying to kick each others ass. And then, it hit him…..literally. Relationships are different in many ways. For example… Apriltello, one sided love, Donnie has been infatuated with this girl since season one. It took 3 seasons for these two to kiss, and they are still not together. The difference is, April and Donnie like to beat around the bush, while Mona and Raph are very blunt and up front characters. He told her, she told him, they both grew fond of each other. Lets not forget that we gotta think about how long they have not seen each other. Raphael even said that he didnt even think he’d ever see her again, so yes they reunite with a few kisses.
“And this joke has gone too far. We all know it’s a joke. It’s not funny anymore. It’s sick. Joke about teen pregnancy? AND about Raph giving birth or something like that? That it not funny.”
See this is why Ciro and Brandon troll you, because you take EVERYTHING seriously, like wtf bruh. Raph giving birth? Really?
Go ahead and block me, post my comment or whatever. No matter what, this show is not TMNT anymore.
Last time I checked, the logo said “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles” and it was about 4 turtles. Leonardo, Raphael, Donatello and Michelangelo….Unless the names and logo changed….
“Kids aren’t interested to see turtles and aliens kissing.”
I maybe 21, but mentally im 15, and deep in my heart Im 10. Hell even when I was that age I wanted to see people kissing. Your just to immature to handle that bull, or you…just need something else to enjoy in your life….
“Please don’t start any more wars and try to improve the show. That’s your job, isn’t it?”
Bruh, he can do whatever the hell he wants. He does this sh*t because people like you in this fandom make it to easy and fun to troll.
“Ps. I do appreciate your work on the show. And I still want to watch it. But I can’t anymore. And I’m not the only one. That’s disappointing”
Im positive your the only one bruh….wait…nevermind, there will always be crazy rabid fangirls like you in every fandom you see. You appreciate his work so much that this is the second time you complain about either the girls or a shipping. Hell it had to do with the show. That I remember…wait, i have a screen shot of it..
Not joking, her second time. Which is why I have a feeling… Well at least she was a bit more mature this time…((And yeah, I just did that sh*t))
No someone bullying a writer and a creator of a show is disappointing. Along with fans like you who take this kinda crap way to seriously. Like bruh, take a pill, drink some ice water, and chill.
This is literally sad. Brandon cant even joke about this kinda crap without one of you fans making this into a sensitive sob fest, let alone stand up for himself without being gained up on without others knowing the FULL story,
I take bullying very seriously and hearing that Ciro and Brandon are being bullied, over this Ramona bullsh*t? Really? Its not their fault you dont like it! So why even bother? Do you not have a life outside of the internet? Im just wondering. Sometime this fandom, just…really amazes me sometimes, and not the good kind…
I love you guys, THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE. But the actions you guys do sometimes, it just breaks my heart…
Welcome to the horrid Internet Miki.
Well this can go badly for me, or positively for me…whelp nice knowing ya Miki!
Noone can tell me otherwise that our Leader became really disoriented in those months, wearing his father’s robe for comfort, I mean come on the guy warned his dad, then watched his dad fall and die, HE WAS IN HIS BLOOD. You just cant. I dont care HOW strong people think Leo is, EVERYONE has their limits.
Though I can see Leo breaking down alone in his father’s room while his brothers are asleep. Hell I can see Leo sleeping in his dad’s room.
The mask surely speaks for itself. Its his mask he wears to hide the dying part of him, the part that his father was part of. ((Wow that confused me.)) But then again you can take your own take on it. ((I did it again. Stop Miki.))
Time taken: 12 am- 4am ((Four hours and it still looks like shit lol))
Im exhausted lol but I needed to draw or I would of went insane.