meanwhile karen

anonymous asked:

[Swindle anon] And imagine the investigator finding out that the government actually ALLOWS Swindle and Lockdown to do this as long as it's within a certain limit ("you can take X amount of humans each month", keeping them rare on the market keeps the price up after all). The government allows this because Swindle offers them some % of the cash and Cybertronian tech that would otherwise be unobtainable to us humans. Dirty business of highest degree. D:

IT’S A GOVERNMENT WIDE CONSPIRACY!!!  D:

A Rant/Breakdown Of The Relationships In Daredevil

All right. I have a lot to say about the relationships in Daredevil. Namely, Matt + Karen, Matt + Elektra, and Frank + Karen. Here we go. 

I don’t ship Matt/Karen. Never have, never will

So that’s where I’ll start. While I don’t ship it, and honestly, their scenes as a couple in season 2 are actually cringe-worthy, I’m glad that they’re there. We needed those scenes. We needed to see them at least try. But the reality is, is that they can’t make it work. There’s too many problems. Karen is the type of person who Matt wishes he could be with. Matt is the kind of person Karen wishes she could be with. But that’s not the reality. They love the idea of each other more than they love each other. 

And that’s the main problem with the Matt/Karen relationship. But I’m glad they tried. And they did, but it wasn’t meant to work. And they part pretty quickly, and what’s significant about this is that after that, Matt goes to Elektra. They begin to rebuild that trust that they had before. Karen continually ends up with Frank, building trust with him. At this point, it’s pretty clear who Matt and Karen belong with. 

The next problem with the Matt/Karen relationship is, firstly, that Karen can’t see Matt as anything but the lawyer. She doesn’t find out he’s Daredevil until the end, but that’s not necessarily important. She knows something is going on. The scene where she walks into his apartment while Elektra and Stick are there, she runs as quickly as possible, because she doesn’t want to know what’s going on. She doesn’t want to see anything about Matt than what she’s come to expect. 

On the flip side, Matt only really sees Karen as the fluffy, happy person we see her as a lot. He doesn’t see the messy Karen, the hardcore Karen, the Karen who can take care of herself and get crap done. No, that’s not what he sees. And he’s constantly telling her to stop digging, to not get herself in the way of danger - and yes, it’s partially because he cares, but it’s also because he doesn’t really think she can do that. Also, let it be noted that Matt realizes that something is up with Karen, but never tries to figure out what?? He just kind of ignores it and goes back to what he’s working with - namely, Elektra. Matt and Karen were a mess. 

They were doomed before they even started. 

And so, moving on. Without Matt constantly holding her back, Karen can do what she needs to. The whole season, everyone is telling her to stop. To stop digging, to stop fighting for Frank, to stop looking for the truth. But honestly? She’s the only one really getting crap done. She’s so determined to find the truth and stick by it no matter what other people say. 

And so, we got the beautiful thing known as Kastle. Karen never stops fighting for Frank. She has seen who he is outside of the media stories, outside of the lies, and she believes in him. She knows that, yes, he’s done a lot of bad crap. But the man underneath that isn’t a monster. He never was. He’s a man who hasn’t had anyone believe in him for a long, long time. And so when Karen did just that, and fought for him, and cared for him like no one else, I think a little switch flipped in Frank’s head. 

And so, he started to protect her. She doesn’t always need protecting, but he’s always there. He tells her to leave him alone, but follows her around, saves her life, he keeps coming back because she’s the only one who sees him as a human being and he needs that. 

What I love about Kastle is that Frank sees Karen not as the fluffy person, but the person underneath. The panicking Karen suffering from PTSD. The messy Karen. The passionate Karen. The hardcore Karen. The Karen who will not let anything stop her from finding the truth, and what she believes in. And he never tries to see her differently. He loves her as she is, and she loves him as he is, even if it’s not strictly clear and noticed in the show. 

Karen sees Frank as a man, a human being, rather than a monster. Frank sees Karen as the woman who is struggling, stubborn, but is so, so determined and passionate and lovely. 

And so, there’s trust formed there. It’s fragile, but it grows. Especially after the glorious full-body tackle to protect her. The song in the car. Little things, so that Karen knows he’s looking out for her. And she’s always so relieved when she realizes it. Meanwhile, Karen does at times push Frank to become better. She tries. She tries to make him see him as she sees him, and maybe she doesn’t fully succeed, but some of it sticks with him. 

While this isn’t a comic-canon relationship, as far as I’m concerned, screw the comics at this point and give us this beautiful relationship more in the show. 

And now, Matt/Elektra. Not to pick favorites, but I am Very Passionate about these two and their relationship. 

Even before Matt and Karen break up, Matt is constantly going to Elektra. Yeah, he wasn’t happy about her being back at first, but as the season progresses you can tell that Matt wants to believe in her. He wants to push her to do better, he truly thinks that she can. This is a very important aspect of their relationship. 

Yeah, maybe Elektra isn’t the most healthy person for Matt. She has a lot of issues. But one huge aspect of season 2 is trying to balance out who these characters are. Matt struggles with this the whole time - lawyer or Daredevil. And the problem is, most people can’t accept him as anything but Matt Murdock, defense lawyer. 

But Elektra? She sees both sides of him. She accepts both sides of him. She knows that both are important to him, and doesn’t hold him back from either. Also, she reminds him that being Daredevil is a key part of him that he can’t let go, even if he sometimes thinks it would be for the better. Yes, Elektra crosses lines and encourages the darkness too much, but she tries. She tries hard to make him see that he needs this and can embrace it as part of himself and I love this. 

As for the other way around, Matt is always pushing Elektra to do better. I could rant forever about Elektra’s mental issues, and stubbornly fight people who say she’s a sociopath. Yes, Elektra is a screwed up person, but if you think about it, how could she not be? I’ll probably rant about this soon so I won’t go in depth here, but throughout her life she has been shaped to be the person she is, constantly being told by Stick that killing and this darkness is good. 

And so, when Matt allows Elektra back into his life openly, he tries so hard to pull her towards the light and out of the darkness that her life has locked her in, and I love him for it. Because this is exactly what she needs. She needs someone to believe in her, and who else would do that besides Matt? He sees the darkest parts of her and embraces it but doesn’t tell her it’s a good thing. He encourages her to do better, to be a better person. 

While, yes, sometimes they’re bad for each other, they balance each other out. They help each other do better, while simultaneously reminding each other that the darker sides of them are part of them, and that they really can’t fight that. But they can choose to be better. 

(Side note, the scene in… 2x08? when Matt gets back from court for the last time. Elektra’s injured. At this point, Matt’s life has fallen to pieces and he knows it. He lost the trial. But he didn’t lose Elektra, and he says as much. She apologizes. But he doesn’t. He doesn’t think she should. It’s clear that Matt made the decision about what was important to him even before he walked into court that last day.)

And I think that concludes my rant. There may be follow ups, I don’t know. But there you have it, a probably overdetailed breakdown of the daredevil relationships. 

I’m out. 

amistillfeeling  asked:

Bruce Wayne, Kate Kane and Violet Paige all end up at the same party and try to outdo the others at the irresponsible public persona act

They didn’t expect Oliver Queen and Ted Kord to show up. Five celebrities, all getting drunk and falling over anyone dumb enough to come near them.

Meanwhile Karen Starr is just watching them and wondering why they’re like this.

Sorting Daredevil

GRYFFINDOR!

But no, we mean it, really. There’s one major character without Gryffindor in their primary or secondary– and it’s Vanessa

(Hello out there, for people who haven’t played this before– this is our favorite way to play sorting. When we say “primary” we mean values, priorities, ethics, systems of reality– WHY you do things. When we say “secondary” we mean methods, actions, interactions– HOW you do things. This doesn’t have to do with ability exactly– it’s more about what skills you value rather than what skills you excel at (though these often overlap). If you want more details, here’s a link to our basics post.)

Matt Murdock is a Gryffindor Primary with a Slytherin Secondary– he knows what’s right, and he will take any path to achieve it. The Slytherin secondary or method is reactive, intuitive, and flexible (this can seem slimy, but isn’t inherently so). Instead of planning or charging, Matt adapts to whatever comes at him– whether it’s punches, interpersonal conflict, or coming up with a new lie about why he’s bruised black and blue. 

Matt also has a Slytherin Primary model. A “model” means a person can understand and even intuit the value system of another primary or secondary House. When they can, they often try to make decisions that incorporate the values of their model– but when forced into a corner, the model’s values would be reluctantly but righteously discarded for the priorities of the primary. 

In this case, modeling Slytherin Primary means that when Matt has the bandwidth, he wants to value and prioritize the people closest to him. He invests strongly in individuals and is willing to sacrifice great things and allow massive vulnerabilities on their behalf– I would like to point everyone to the episode Nelson v. Murdock and watch the boy cry, okay. But this modeled Slytherin Primary (the House where you make “true friends”) falls away when faced with the needs of Matt’s Gryffindor Primary. When he can manage it, Matt would never hurt Foggy– but he’s not going to let Foggy’s hurt keep him from fighting for justice in Hell’s Kitchen. 

Foggy is a Slytherin Primary with a Gryffindor Secondary that he hides very well under a Gryffindor/Hufflepuff model. Most of the time, Foggy is happy to be driven by his Gryffindor Primary models ideals (some of which have been shaped and directed to ally better with Matt’s) and his Hufflepuff Secondary model’s kindnesses. 

When he brings out his Gryffindor Secondary however, this kid is suddenly loads more effective. While Foggy often plays with his Hufflepuff model–buying cop’s moms cigars, taking a stressed Karen out drinking, his general role of the “heart” of the group–it tends to be interpreted as “cute” and “aw, Foggy.” But his Gryffindor is able to win over Marci

One of the first major times we see his Gryffindor Secondary come out in full force is in his talk with Marci at the bar. His Gryffindor Secondary has of course underlain all his reactions up until this point, but it hasn’t quite been let loose (Karen, meanwhile, has been waving that Gryffindor Secondary all over town; loudly enough that even Wesley comments on it and tries to threaten her into using her magic Gryff powers to stop Ben). 

Hufflepuff secondaries, which Foggy often pretends to be, build foundations to great effectiveness– in communities, work, reputation. Gryffindor Secondaries inspire, whether trying to lead or just living their lives. They have a way of making other people, uninvested people, believe that their right is the right. When Foggy’s playing Hufflepuff secondary, Foggy makes people relaxed, happy–there are no large stakes. When he settles into his Gryffindor secondary fully however, he gets even the classically amoral lawyer Marci to start risking her job (and, in this city, life) to start feeding him classified corporate information on clients–because it’s the right thing to do.  

Matt built a Slytherin primary model for Foggy, and Foggy built a Gryffindor primary model for Matt. It’s part of why the betrayal stings so hard in Nelson v. Murdock. For Matt’s sake, Foggy built up a system that was going to protect the little guy, to use the law and the privileged education he and Matt had earned to help the place they had come from for a greater good.

And that’s not to say Foggy didn’t care about the little guy and Hell’s Kitchen before he met Matt, but it was for Matt’s sake that it became enough of a priority for him that he built it into his career and his lifestyle. He decided to leave the big law firm that was going to give him power and money and prestige and take a chance being Nelson & Murdock. He decided to make this work, both for Matt and because it’s a good thing to do. Foggy likes his Gryffindor model. He is and would be a good person without Matt’s influence; it is the direction and intensity of his cause that Matt influenced. There are many things Foggy could have attached himself to, in order to do good in the world, but this one is important to Matt, so it’s important to Foggy, too. 

Even within that context though, we see Foggy making jokes about personal gain over what’s right. Not wanting to take a losing client because it’s going to be awful for business and not make them any money. Taking an extra helping of joy in success for the sake of success, even while he’s also taking pride in doing good.

When Foggy discovers Matt is Daredevil, he has a host of responses. There are few people more important to him than Matt Murdock; Foggy traded one life goal for another on Matt’s behalf, and Matt had apparently decided independently that Nelson & Murdock was not enough. This was supposed to be about the law, and Matt abandoned that. The conversation begins with spiraling discussions of Matt’s Gryffindor v. Foggy’s Gryffindor model (what is right?), but by the end devolves into the deeper betrayals here– trust, loyalty, and betrayal. 

Fisk is a Hufflepuff Primary with a Gryffindor Secondary. He’s happier away from Hell’s Kitchen, and the years he spent far far away from it have been some of the best in his life, but the city and the community are a part of him in a way that is unwilling to sacrifice. His Hufflepuff Primary won’t let him just run away from the horrors that live there and go find happiness elsewhere; he needs to help, he needs to fix, he needs to work to better his community by any means necessary. 

And these means are Gryffindor. He charges. He’s willing to blow up buildings and kill the Russians. He’s not one for manipulation, and while he might have an appreciation for subtlety, those are not where his skills lie. Lady Gao knows this about him, knows that the place his power rests is when he’s genuine and honest with himself and the world. She warns him that by playing a double life he’s not using his strengths and it will lead to his downfall. 

For all his violence, Fisk is worried about being a monster. He detests cruelty for the sake of cruelty, and one of the reasons he’s so dangerous is because he’s so intensely well-meaning with his power. He isn’t out for money or personal gain. He wants to help his community even if it means gutting it himself. 

When Fisk meets Vanessa, he develops a Slytherin Primary model. Hell’s Kitchen is still the most important to him, but he’s willing to kill and destroy anyone who threatens her or their relationship. The community is more important than Vanessa, but Vanessa is more important than any other individual in the community. 

Loyal, efficient Wesley is a Hufflepuff secondary.  People are inherently people and inherently useful.  He talks to individual people, sets the pieces, and lets them affect the larger scale.  His Slytherin primary has bonded itself to Fisk.

Karen, terrifyingly enough, sorts the same as Fisk: Huffledor with a Slytherin primary model.  Matt and Foggy fall into her family in two ways, as the family she is loyal to and as belonging to her Slytherin primary model’s loyalties.  She charges to catch every loose end of Union Allied, sometimes (often) without looking.

Her Gryffindor Secondary is not necessarily more powerful than Foggy’s, but it’s more obvious and she uses it more. This show frames this type of inspiration as a dangerous one–Karen’s drive forward, her recklessness, and the way she spurs tired hearts like Ben’s into action can all have tragic consequences. Wesley, a sober Puff Secondary, seems to consider this strength of hers to be maybe magic and demands she turn backwards it on Ben. 

Fisk, too, shares this Gryffindor Secondary, further adding to its position in the show as a dark sort of power. Karen feels guilty and traumatized, as the story continues, by what her secondary has wrought– her conversation with Ben’s widow, however, reframes this within this show about heroes and their paths. There are things worth fighting for, charging for, being reckless for– and dying for. 

Ben’s Gryffindor primary coincides well with Karen’s Gryffindor secondary. It’s what allows them to speak the same language (most of the time).  He’s steady about justice, in a weathered way–a stripped Gryffindor who’s lost faith that things will ever turn out right but wearily trudging on. 

Vanessa is a Slytherin Primary with a Ravenclaw Secondary. When we meet her, she has no people close to her that we know about. She runs an art gallery and it’s her life’s joy. When she meets Fisk, she decides she likes him, checks to make sure that he is going to treat her well, and then attaches completely. Without an idealist bone in her body (except for maybe one that helps her value art), she isn’t bothered by Fisk’s various immoralities. He can murder, torture, maim, burn people alive, break various laws, and that’s all fine with Vanessa as long as he’s honest to her. It’s her one rule, and it’s a very Slytherin Primary rule.

It draws an interesting parallel to Foggy’s friendship with Matt, actually. The thing that most upset Foggy about Matt’s betrayal wasn’t what Matt was doing as Daredevil, but that he had lied about it. To Foggy. These two Slytherins, Vanessa and Foggy, base their relationships on trust. They know how completely they attach, and so honesty is their most important, least bendable rule. 

Vanessa is a Ravenclaw secondary who systematic approach is most evident when she talks about art.  She loves art because art is knowledge in a multifaceted way.  There’s knowledge of the physical medium, stories behind art, and emotions caused by art.  Art isn’t right or wrong or a passion, it’s something to interpret.

Vanessa’s Ravenclaw secondary also comes out in her first couple of dates with Fisk.  She tests him with questions in increasing importance, as if she has a ranked exam for him stored in her head.  While she is very driven by her people and passions, her decision-making process is very logical and measured.  If I like this man and he passes my test, then he is mine.  If staying in the shadows comprises us, then we will step into the light.  If people hurt what is mine, then they must be destroyed.  If I can do nothing by staying, I will leave.

cumbergaga2014  asked:

Hi, how do you think Matt and Foggy's friendship is going to evolve in s3? BTW I loved Foggy's presence of mind this season! How does the reconciliation play out in comics?. A completely different question, "is devil in cell block D" hinted for S3?

   Hi! To answer your second question first, we don’t think we’ll be getting “Devil in Cell Block D” next season. It feels a bit too soon for that type of story arc to work in the show, and the references seem more like fun easter eggs than an actual lead-in to anything. But maybe someday! We’d kill to see some version of that in live action.

   Now let’s talk about Foggy!    

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seriously didn’t know that i’d end up shipping it this hard

There’s already a lot of commentary and meta and gif sets out there of the diner scene, but there’s one thing that I keep rediscovering - the panning shot behind Frank’s shoulders. In case you don’t remember, I mean this:

This is the most obvious visual nod to a shift in conversation during a Kastle scene that I can think of, so I wanted to look into it and what it might to mean for the audience’s perception from a cinematography perspective, especially because it holds That Conversation. Warning: went off lots of Google searches, I’m not any kind of expert. Unnecessary ramblings below.

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