married to rory who she loves

  • What she says: I'm fine.
  • What she means: Logan Huntzberger stood up to his family in Season 5 because he wanted to be with Rory and they'd only been dating for a week. He stormed out of the house because they said Rory couldn't marry into their family. He then proceeded to date Rory for three years. They lived together and he proposed to her. Later, he also decided to walk away from the family business and get a career of his own. Logan was willing and able to do all of that 10 years ago. Why would he care what his family thinks about who is marrying now? He's 34 years old. And when we left him in Season 7, he had cut off all ties with his family. It doesn't follow that the man who loved Rory enough to give her anything she wanted wouldn't leave Odette to be with her because of the Huntzberger dynasty. How does that make sense? And why wouldn't Rory, who never had a problem asking Logan for what she wanted, say something? She asked him out. She told him she couldn't do casual dating anymore. She's always pushed to make their relationship what she wanted it to be, and she's somehow lost that ability at age 32? Why have both of these characters regressed so dramatically from where they were more than 10 years ago? And if it was going to be written that way, why do we have no insight into their thoughts and motivations? Why don't we know why Logan won't stand up to his family? Why don't we know why he's working for his father again? Why don't we know why Rory won't ask him to leave Odette? Did ASP forget how to write these characters? Could she really not suck it up and watch Season 7 so the characterization was consistent?

From the ‘Fic I Will Never Write’ files: 


If you’re out on the road, feeling lonely and so cold…


Abby Griffin lives in the quirky town of Stars Hollow Arkadia with her teenage daughter Clarke. They’ve always been close, but things have been difficult the last few years following the sudden loss of husband and father Jake. But life, as always, goes on.

These days Abby runs a small hotel with her two closest friends, chef Callie Cartwig and concierge Eric Jackson. Every morning on her way to work she stops in at local institution Kane’s Diner where she gets her daily dose of coffee and simmering sexual tension with proprietor Marcus Kane.

Spoiler alert: Abby and Marcus get together. There’s a bunch of pining and will-they-won’t-they first but then they totally hook up. (And then get married and get a dog and live happily ever after and nothing bad ever happens the end.)

Clarke meanwhile has just been accepted into prestigious Polis Academy where she meets the brilliant, challenging Lexa and thus begins an epic friendship/rivalry that eventually blossoms into love (just like Rory/Paris should have lbh).

Also, at some point Marcus’s simple, uncomplicated life is turned upside-down with the arrival of his delinquent niece and nephew Octavia and Bellamy Blake who come to stay with him in the tiny apartment over the diner. They have some trouble adjusting to quiet small town life but eventually form a strong bond with their uncle. Marcus becomes their staunch defender, father-figure, and is basically devoted to his adopted kids because of course he is.

Finn Collins = Dean obviously or as I like to call them the literal worst.

In other parallels, Raven = Lane Kim aka Clarke’s BFF, Jaha = Taylor Doose the annoying town mayor, Jasper = Kirk lol, Sinclair = Jackson because Callie/Sinclair would be adorable, Indra = Miss Patty and please take a moment to imagine eccentric ex-diva Indra teaching little girls ballet. You’re welcome.

Alas there are no character analogues to stand in for Richard and Emily as Abby’s parents and that bothers me so much it almost totally negates the value of this entire AU. (There are literally no old people on this show. There was Vera Kane and creepy President Wallace, like they would make the worst Richard and Emily Gilmore I can even imagine.)

Still here for Abby and her flirtatious friendship with local curmudgeon with a heart of gold Marcus Kane though.

And really what more do you need from an AU than that.

My Pretty Wife - River Song x Reader

Originally posted by alexkingstonalamuse

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This wasn’t requested. I’m just a bisexual who’s confused. I’m confused about River Song. Like damn girl, how can she be so beautiful?
This takes place in ‘The Wedding of River Song’. Remember that scene where River visits her parents and it cuts off with “Father dear, I think mummy might need another drink” from River. Well, this imagine starts with what is said after that.

Rory went inside the house to get his wife another drink. Amy sat down on her chair again, River next to her.

“God, that is so weird. He’s my son in law, my son in law. God, I kissed my son in law,” Amy muttered, rubbing her lips.

“You kissed him?” River asked, smiling.

“It happened before I even married Rory. Oh god, god, god. That is so wrong,” Amy exclaimed. Rory came back, handing her a glass filled with wine. Amy took a big gulp.

“So, you’re married now,” Rory said, sitting down also, “you’re our daughter. Married.”

“Oh, not that weird,” River said, freeing her curl from her ponytail, “I’ve been married before, father.”

“Really?” Amy asked, putting her glass down, happy to be distracted from the fact that the Time Lord was her son in law.

“Oh, yes. Some men and some women,” River answered, grabbing her mother’s glass of wine and took a quick sip.

“Okay… okay,” Rory muttered, “well, who did you like most?”

“Hard to say, father. I love the Doctor a lot and I always will, but Y/N will always be dear to me. A part of my heart will always stay in love with her. She was my prettiest wife.”

Amy oohed and Rory leaned forward, interested. River sighed and then winked.

“Fine, I’ll tell you about her.”

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101 Endings for Rory Gilmore that would have been better

1. She accepts a TEFL (teaching english as a foreign language) position and travels the world teaching kids. 

2.Enlists in the foreign service and works their press division. 

3. Was discovered by Zooey Deschenel and becomes a blogger for Hello Giggles. 

4. Works for Buzzfeed. 

5.Runs a blog of her own, gains a HUGE online following, and gets a book deal because of it. 

6. Winds up discovering the truth about “Dean Forester” and becomes a hunter. 

7. Goes to work with Jess at THE FUCKING PUBLISHING COMPANY HE OWNS AS A GODDAMN EDITOR. 

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‘’Maybe The Doctor has children….Who knows, maybe some of them are mine..’’ 

-The Legends of River Song   

Why The Doctor and River need to have babies…Because ;

  1. They are amazing with babies..
  2. They want babies.
  3. They love each other
  4. They are married 
  5. and they have a normal life to raise a child now 24 years <3 PLEASE  #Moffatgiveustimebabies
  6. Their child will be grandchild of the Tardis and the Child of the Doctor a child who is came from Tardis and Doctor like a symbol of their connection
  7. Their Child will be a Pond..Daughter of Melody Pond grandchild of Amy and Rory a new Pond who doesn’t want it ?
  8. and Brian,his son,his grandaughter(Melody) now River’s child 4 generation would be travel in the Tardis :)
  9. Melody couldn’t have mother father child family picture as child she  needs to have it as mother properly !
  10. For 11th Doctor he has thought he is the last of Time LOrds and he found out his wife has Time Lord DNA..Like a miracle..what would you do ?? I think he needed to continue his race !
  11. River has Time Lord DNA but human Doctor is a Time Lords so their child will be like %75 Time Lord %25 Human she’d have all the specialities of time lord but would have humanity and human perspective..
  12. she or he would be as clever as River and Doctor as strong as River and Doctor I mean universe needs their child :)
  13. In Human Nature /Family of Blood episode we saw how much the Doctor misses to having children having a wife having a family being a father and in The Legends of River Song we saw how much River yearns for to be a mother and how she saw it like mystery of universe,she wonders and wants to live that ‘’magic’’ shetried to ask to Doctor but just scared what if he’ll laugh…so it wouldn’t be fair if Moffat won’t give them children…
  14. Why Not ?
  15. Why does River and the Doctor have babies? ”To which Steven said: “Why don’t they? Well, who’s to say what goes on? We don’t see very chapter of the Doctor’s life. Imagine these two as parents”-Steven Moffat 
  16. Companions comes -goes after everyone left The Doctor’s child would be look after him..Like AMy told River because she is his wife now River can say to their child…’Look after your father…’’

How Revival should have gone:

- Rory returns to Stars Hollow after her grandfathers death.
-Learns of the Gazette closing down and decides to take it over.
-Enter Jess, who tells her she has to write about her and her mothers life.
-She does what Jess says, because she has always secretly loved him and he also has the best ideas.
-This takes her on a journey through her past as she researches and delves deeply into the community she grew up in.
-She reconnects with all her old friends, family and the broader community who have watched her grow up.
-She helps to facilitate the healing between Emily and Lorelai.
-She comes to realise that Logan is just like Christopher and ultimately it was always Jess and always will be.
-Luke and Lorelai get married.
-Jess and Rory admit their love for one another.
-She publishes her book and they build their writing and publishing empire together.

See, not that hard is it?!

I could write the shit out of Gilmore Girls.

anonymous asked:

do you know why everyone hates dean (gilmore girls)? like i want to know because i'm confused :/

was just gonna point you to my anti dean forester tag but now im fired up so here we go. he:

  • literally followed a girl around even though she didnt express any interest in him
  • literally said that he liked when women were housewives
  • and made fun of rory for being upset about it
  • literally built rory a car
  • to guilt trip her into loving him
  • literally got mad and broke up with rory when she couldnt say it back
    • even tho she wasnt emotionally or mentally prepared to say something like that
    • “you dont get pregnant by saying i love you”
  • literally got mad b/c he thought she wanted to date someone else
  • literally got mad when rory tried to get into college b/c she wasnt spending time with him
  • literally told her to stop being friends with a boy (twice!)
  • literally called her 14 times in 1 day even tho he knew she wasnt gonna be around
  • literally got mad when she wanted to spend time by herself
  • later got mad and yelled at her in front of her friend b/c he found out she was hanging out with other people
    • b/c *gasp!* one of those people was a boy
  • literally got mad b/c she tutored said boy
  • literally broke up with her in public
  • literally got into a fight with his ex gf’s current bf
  • literally asked a girl to marry him after 3 months of dating right after that fight
  • literally didnt understand why rory thought marrying that young was stupid
  • literally married a girl 12 hours after confessing that he still loved rory
  • literally ignored his wife who asked him to stay away from her
    • b/c rory had been mean to her
    • and she lowkey knew that dean was still in love with her
  • literally cheated on his wife
  • literally yelled at lindsay 2 hours after sleeping with someone else
  • for answering his phone
    • “god lindsay. you cant just answer peoples phones.”
  • literally broke up with rory in public
  • for the 2nd time in 3 years

i cant speak for the whole fandom, anon. you can have any opinion that you want of him. a lot of people actually like him and those people are what i like to call wrong.

How Rory Probably Told Sirius, James, Lily and Remus that She was Pregnant
  • Sirius: Hi, sweetheart. *kiss on forehead* Finally decided to give your old man a visit?
  • Rory: Daddy, I was here just yesterday.
  • Remus: Hello, love. :)
  • Rory: Hi, Dad. *kiss cheek* :) Hi, Uncle James, Aunt Lil.
  • James: You said that you wanted to say something important?
  • Lily: Yeah, Harry was being smug about it, too. He visited us yesterday. Said it would be better to hear it from you.
  • Sirius: Did you kill your husband?
  • Remus: Sirius, no.
  • Sirius: If you want us to hide a dead body...
  • James: I'm not saying that we will. All I'm saying is that we could.
  • Lily: Sometimes I wonder why I married the three of you.
  • Rory: The three of them, Aunt Lil?
  • Lily: Sweetheart, these three come in a package. You get one, you get three.
  • Sirius: The day she married James was the day she became Mrs. Potter-Lupin-Black-Pettigrew. (If you read my first post about her, I stated that he betrayed no one.)
  • Rory: I guess that fits.
  • Sirius: What was that about a dead body?
  • Rory: I never said anything about a dead body.
  • James: You can make it look like a suicide.
  • Rory: What?
  • Lily: I'm not encouraging it, but that seems like a really good way to get away with murder.
  • Remus: She's not wrong.
  • Rory: Why are we talking about dead bodies? I killed no one.
  • Sirius: That's a shame.
  • Lily: What did you want to say to us again, sweetheart? You said that it was important.
  • Rory: Well...
  • James: ...
  • Sirius: ...
  • Remus: ...
  • Lily: ...
  • Rory: I'm pregnant.
  • Lily: ...
  • Remus: ...
  • James: ...
  • Sirius: ...
  • Remus: ...
  • Sirius: How?
  • Rory: What do you mean "how"?
  • Sirius: Did you just wake up pregnant or something?
  • James: Maybe there's a new spell?
  • Remus: Potions have advanced within the year. Maybe she drank something that would result in her pregnancy.
  • Lily: What?
  • Rory: What?
  • Sirius: So I heard, Remus. Potions, really, who knew how advanced they would get. What potion did you use, love?
  • Rory: What?
  • Remus: Did you make the potion yourself?
  • James: What were the ingredients?
  • Lily: Oh, Lord.
  • Rory: Dad, Daddy, Uncle... I got pregnant by... um... *looks nervously at Lily* natural means.
  • Remus: What
  • James: What
  • Sirius: What
  • Lily: They've been married for 6 years. It's bound to happen.
  • Sirius: I SAID 65!
  • Rory: Daddy, really...
  • James: I ALLOWED 65!
  • Rory: Uncle James, you never said that.
  • Remus: HE SAID 65!
  • Rory: I thought you were on my side!
  • Remus: That was before you became preggers!
  • Rory: DAD WHY
  • Remus: You're grounded.
  • Rory: What?
  • Sirius: You heard your father.
  • Lily: Guys, please...
  • James: You heard Remus.
  • Remus: Go to your room and think about what you've done.
  • Rory: I'm 27! I don't live here anymore! You can't ground me!
  • Remus: Yes, I can. Your father specifically said '65.'
  • Sirius: What happened to "I'll always be your little girl?"
  • Rory: Oh my Merlin.
  • James: *stands and goes to a room*
  • Lily: James, don't.
  • James: *comes back* Sign here, here and here.
  • Sirius: What is that?
  • Rory: Uncle James, why are you giving me divorce papers?
  • James: Aurora, sweetheart, I'm sure you'll get full custody of the child.
  • Rory: What?
  • Sirius: Good thinking, James.
  • Rory: I love my husband.
  • Remus: We'll just forge his signature, it'll be fine.
  • Lily: *rolls eyes at the boys* Have you taken any vitamins?
  • Rory: Well, I took some potions. Just some strengthening potion. He's already giving his Mummy a hard time.
  • Lily: It's a boy?
  • Remus: A boy?
  • Sirius: How'd you know?
  • James: Really?
  • Rory: It's a bit early to tell. It's just my Mum instinct, I guess. I've been thinking of names, actually.
  • Lily: Oh, and?
  • Rory: Well... Um... We agreed that we'd call him Lyall Regulus, if that's okay.
  • Sirius: ...
  • Remus: ...
  • Rory: I have to get going, Dad, Daddy. He's waiting outside.
  • Sirius: Can we touch him? *gestures to stomach*
  • Rory: *smiles* Okay, Daddy.
  • Sirius: *kneels down and touches daughter's abdomen* Welcome to our family, Lyall Regulus. I'm your grandpapa. *Gestures to Remus* That's your granddad. *Gestures to James* That's your grandfather. *Gestures to Lily* That's your grandmother. *tries not to cry**cries*
  • Rory: If I can be half the parent that all of you were to me, I know I'd a good job. I promise to do my best, Daddy.
  • Hi guys! I hope you liked this xx This is just something random I thought of, really. I really do hope you enjoyed this! Thanks so much! Please do check out my other posts about her! Thanks a lot xx c:

Ok but when Rory asks ‘Are you really gonna marry Odette?’ Logan says it’s the dynasty’s plan, not HIS plan, not what HE really wants (which is so damn obvious he’s head over heels for Rory) so since the show ends with Rory being pregnant with his baby, I’m going to choose to believe that the endgame is Rory and Logan. He’s not her Christopher no matter who wants to claim that he is, he loves her so, so much and he’d do anything for her and their child. And she loves him, relies on him, needs him and honestly the love, it’s in both of their eyes.

My version of a Gilmore movie

So I found this on my computer - it’s from March 2014 and I guess I basically outlined what I’d like from a future GG movie. Some parts of it are really cringe, but some parts are sweet (I think at least) and it was funny to go back and read this today of all days! I think the actual revival will probably be more dramatic and emotional than my version. But still, how far we’ve come.

It starts with Rory sitting in a small but cozy looking apartment writing an email to someone who she apparently has not seen/talked to in a very long time - her voice narrates what she writes as she talks about some of the things that have happened since she saw this person last (i.e. Lorelai and Luke getting married, having a couple kids, updates on Lane, Sookie, E&R, the townsfolk i.e. Kirk, Taylor) while visual flashbacks of the things she’s talking about (like L/L’s wedding) appear on screen. Rory mentions she’s living in New York and writing for a local paper and says she loved the picture of his family (we assume this person sent her one in their email to her) and that their son is really cute. As Rory hits “send” we see that the recipient is Dean Forester.

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Rory’s Failure

A lot of people think Rory’s dropping out from Yale was abrupt, but I found it interesting and believable, especially judging by earlier seasons.

In Season 4, Rory starts Yale.  While it is a step away from her longterm plan of going to Harvard, it is still an Ivy League school and her grandparents’ choice.  Furthermore, it is closer to home, only 22.8 miles which, she happily says to Jess, ‘you looked it up’.  While things in her personal life have taken a turn,  Rory is determined not to ‘pine’ over Jess being gone.  She has had a successful summer backpacking with Lorelai and is looking forward to starting college. Rory hasn’t been at Yale long, however, when things don’t go as smoothly as she hoped.

Aside from Paris, Rory is very isolated.  She makes few friends aside from the girls she meets on her first day, whom she only occasionally talks with, and is lonely.  Lane unexpectedly arrives after problems at home and, after a few happy weeks, is ousted by Rory’s other roommates.  Rory barely talks to Janet and Tanna and, with Paris seeing Asher, spends a lot of time alone. While Rory didn’t have many friends in Stars Hollow, she lived with her mother and best friend Lorelai and her other best friend lived moments away.  Living at Yale removes Lorelai’s presence and Lane stays there only temporarily.   Lane’s departure unfortunately coincides with academic failure, where Rory is called into her professor’s office, receives a D for a paper and is recommended to drop the class entirely.  After being top of her class at Chilton and made Valedictorian, Rory is stunned.  While things in her personal life may be going badly, Rory has always relied on managing hard work and making perfect grades. Being told she has to drop a class, and receiving her first bad grade since starting Chilton, Rory falls apart. Unable to reach Lorelai, Rory drives back to Stars Hollow, where she can only find Dean and cries in his arms about missing Lane and her mother and how she can’t bear having to tell her grandfather she failed.  Rory never tells anyone else she is struggling and passes her freshman year.

Dean being there to support Rory reminds her of the good parts of their relationship.  Dean was, to Rory, stable and solid and his fixture in Stars Hollow is a painful contrast to Jess, who unexpectedly arrived and told Rory he loved her before driving away only days before.  Rory never shows emotion about this, not to Lorelai nor even privately onscreen but she sobs to Dean that he is lucky to be married to someone who isn’t a ‘failure’ like her.  Failing personally and failing academically are too much for Rory, and she envies Dean’s ‘five year plan’ while she works as a card swiper, half-joking that she has no plan beyond the next two and a half hours. As well as being lonely in terms of friendship, Rory is single for the first time in three years and is still hung up on her past relationships.  Apart from one awkward date and one boy turning her down, Rory doesn’t meet anyone else and romanticises her relationship with Dean, having trouble with being single.  

Towards the end of Season 4, Rory grows closer to Dean before sleeping with him in the last episode, not questioning his saying that his marriage is over and that he still loves her.  It is the first time Rory has ever had sex and she insists to Lorelai that it was good, that it was with someone who loved her.  She refuses to listen to her mother’s argument that Dean is still married, that she has made a mistake and cries that she hates Lorelai for ‘ruining this for me’.  Her return to Dean coincides with Jess coming back, who panics when he sees Dean with Rory, and begs her to run away.  Rory refuses, tells Jess she doesn’t love him and cries alone in her room as he again drives away.  The next day she tells Lane she thinks she ‘really blew it’ with Dean, who never ran away or confused her.  While she admits to having more in common with Jess, and feeling more excited, she misses the stability of Dean and begins seeing him again in Season 5, wishing to gain the simplicity they once had.

Rory and Dean soon discover the simplicity they once had is gone.  As well as difficulty with simply finding time to see each other, they are at different stages in life and Dean eventually breaks up with Rory without any warning, simply saying he ‘doesn’t belong anymore’.  Rory quickly moves onto Logan Huntzberger, whom she discovers is part of Yale’s Life and Death Brigade, and is convinced to take part in a stunt and live in the moment, and be less ‘sheltered’ than before.  After trying to be casual with Logan Rory realises she’s a ‘boyfriend girl’ and Logan decides to commit.  Despite a disastrous dinner at his parents’ house and Lorelai’s advice to ‘let him bolt’, Logan insists he wants to be with Rory and all seems settled.  Mitchum Hunztberger, Logan’s father, even offers Rory an internship at the Stamford Gazette and Rory, after some initial hesitation, accepts.  Rory, in reversal to her freshman year, has found security and confidence and so is utterly shocked when she is told ‘you don’t got it’ by Mitchum.  Crushed, she slowly walks back to her desk and later, without wanting to think, she steals a boat with Logan and then decides she wants to take time off Yale.

Lorelai, in appalled disbelief, refuses to accept her daughter’s decision.  She tells Rory dropping out will cause her to lose momentum and to end up moving home, which she won’t accept.  Rory retorts that her mother can’t understand, as she has never been to college, and hurt and angry, Lorelai reminds her she wasn’t lucky enough to go to college.  After her parents ignore her plea to talk Rory into staying at Yale, after initially promising to do so, Lorelai is through and tells them ‘this is your do-over’.  Telling herself it is just temporary, Rory moves into their poolhouse and works at the DAR.  Logan tells Rory she’ll be back within a month but Rory stubbornly ignores him, saying she’s going to be a ‘sloth’.  Going to Yale proved loneliness and failure, so what has she to lose? Rory claims to be happy in the DAR, but has a panic attack when Mitchum comes to an event and is quietly sad when she turns 21, and she is still fighting with Lorelai. It is only when Jess suddenly comes back and demands what has happened, staring into Rory’s eyes and saying this isn’t you that Rory gets a wakeup call and sees she is wasting time.  Jess, who started with nothing, has written a book, saying he couldn’t have done it without Rory, who has turned away from learning.  She picks herself back up, makes up with Lorelai and goes back to school, putting her failure behind her.

I think that with the effects of her bad freshman year, Rory’s hearing that she didn’t have what it takes to be a journalist sent her self-doubt through the roof. Having never experienced failure at Chilton, besides her one bad grade when she started, Rory didn’t know how to handle it.  Like her mother, she puts a brave and stoic face on her feelings and decided to do something reckless rather than think it through.  Rory could manage her isolation in her first year, manage dropping a class, but being told she couldn’t make her only ambition crushed her self-esteem.  While logically she might accept that it was harder than she planned, or that it was one opinion, she suffered emotionally and wanted to step away.  Had Lorelai put aside her own hurt and made Rory talk, she may have chosen differently, or at least have gone back sooner.  Rory’s choices weren’t wise, but I found them believable.  I only wish the writers had gone into this more deeply, and the dynamics of her relationship with Lorelai, after she had gone back, rather than shift the drama onto romance.

Gilmore Girls AU where Rory and Paris become a couple and Rory falls in love with Judaism.

She reads a million books about Judaism and Jewish culture, and makes the decision to convert. When she meets with the rabbi for the first time, she already has an accelerated lesson plan to propose, and even the rabbi hasn’t read all of the books on the list. Rory takes the Hebrew name Liora and Lorelai throws her a “Mazel Tov on Your Conversion!” party at the Inn. Sookie buys brand new kitchen utensils and spritzes the entire kitchen with rain water, so that even though she doesn’t have a kosher kitchen, it’s still “very kosher style.” 

Paris always gets annoyed by how seriously Rory takes Jewish holidays. “The only time I celebrated Tu B’Shevat was when my nanny helped me set up my chia pet for a science experiment on grass growth,” she grumbles. But little by little, through Rory’s devotion, she develops a new love for the holidays and Judaism, finally incorporating meaningful Jewish traditions into her life that she never got to do with her absent parents. 

When they get married, Luke carves them a new chuppah. Paris is the one who steps on the glass, because she says she has better hand-eye coordination. Emily tells the girls she had no idea “those tiny Jewish hats” could be ordered in pink. Everyone dances all night. 

anonymous asked:

how do you response/reply to those who think petyr is pedo while sandor and jorah aren't?

Frankly, I don’t even bother anymore because I don’t give a shite what they think. It doesn’t even matter what facts and reasoning you use, they can be just nasty and blind to it all.

In canon, Petyr is younger than Ned and Cat. A couple years older than Sandor. In the books Petyr is approximately 30 when he meets Sansa for the first time. For the time period/world GRRM is writing, that isn’t a big problem as far as marrying a young woman. Most girls were married off in their mid teens or flowered. I don’t agree with it, but people are trying to paint it in the context of modern thinking of what is considering socially acceptable. Daughters were only valuable in marrying them to the right family. Father essentially bought and sold them to much older suitors for dowry and status.

Fans forget how young Dany is. She is 13 in the books when she is married to Drogo (who is approx. mid or late twenties). He rapes her but somehow it turns into true love and is beloved by fans. Jorah is old enough to be her father or older. That is probably the biggest age gap.

Fans also forget that the actors ages are WAY different than the books. The girls have been aged up to be a bit less uncomfortable. Unfortunately, Aidan is about 15 years older than his book character and so is Rory (Sandor). Hell, Rory and Aidan are about the same age for Christs sake. Jorah and Tyrion are much older in the show. Hell, Tyrion is this close to sleeping with Sansa in the books but nothing is said. Tyrion had a horrid past but it’s glossed over because he is a ‘good guy’. Sandor brags about wanting to fuck Sansa… forces a kiss on her. Petyr has not raped her, took her away from what would have been a torturous life and eventual death in Kings Landing. He kissed her but it was more of a moment and when she pulled away he let her and didn’t force it. He’s teaching her to be a strong, independent woman in control rather than being controlled by others. He treats her like an equal. Praises her intelligence, etc… and yet, he’s the worst asshole in the world by the fandom when you have characters like fucking RAMSEY out there. Seriously, Petyr is the worst??? Yeah, okay, keep telling yourselves that.

I think Petyr x Sansa shippers are far more kind and reasonable when it comes to fans that ship with Sansa with another character. We don’t belittle other fans for what they like. I don’t care for Sandor x Sansa at all. Sandor has been very aggressive with her and doesn’t really help her character grow. He would have kept her that scared little girl on the run with him. He would have bedded her, no doubt. Being with him, does nothing for her. She would have been worse off. He gave her some protection but it would have come with a price.

Petyr. PxS shippers, I think will agree, he is NOT a good man. We know what he is and we’re also willing to look behind the curtain with him too. Petyr is a damaged man. He had his first love with Cat and in my opinion, she was the catalyst for the path he choose but she wasn’t the sole reason for why Petyr is the man he is now. I think Petyr is more upset with the system that told him he was never going to be good enough for Cat or any highborn girl. He was never going to get a chance to prove himself. He was lowborn and that’s all he was ever going to be. He is a self-made man and even though he has power and wealth, the highborns still look down their nose at him …until they really need him. I think Petyr wants to bring down the old fashioned system of monarchy and nobility making the rules for everyone to live by.

Sansa. He saw Cat in her yes. But I don’t think she is Cat 2.0 to him. I think Petyr accepted that Cat never wanted him. After Ned’s death, he did try one more time but he also had plans in motion that didn’t involve getting Cat back. We didn’t get his POV on Cat’s death. In fact, he already had plans for stealing Sansa in play before Cat was murdered. He knew Sansa was the key to the North.

Sansa has a problem with becoming like the people she’s with. Joffrey. She wants to be like Cersei and idolizes the Lannisters and can’t wait to go to Kings Landing. Well, then she finds out that was a load of bullshit and learns the hard way. She befriends Margery and starts emulating her and dreams for marrying handsome Loras and going to HighGarden. Petyr stops that, yes. But not before Sansa finds out she is to marry the other brother. The Tyrells were only using her for her name as well. They would have kept her quiet in HighGarden as Margery took the throne. They needed Sansa out of the way for Margery. That’s all that was. They didn’t care about her.

So Petyr takes her away. He had every opportunity to rape her and take advantage of her if he wanted to. He doesn’t. He’s using her too, but unlike the others, he is educating her. Teaching her to play the game and think for herself. If Petyr only needed her name, he would have kept her quiet and naïve. No, he starts to treat her like an equal. He protects her from Marillion when he’s bedding Lysa. He thought ahead to keep her safe. He protects her from Lysa. Lysa was going to die at some point, but he wasn’t going to let her hurt Sansa and killed her off earlier. Unlike the show, Book!Petyr has plans within plans and contingency plans for those plans. He has never not been in control.

He praises Sansa when she figures things out. He compliments her in ways that make her blush. He treats her like a grown, intelligent woman and not a silly girl. Sansa has been slowly warming to him. She likes PETYR but is wary of LITTLEFINGER. BUT she is also seeing that Littlefinger is a mask he wears…he is playing a role and she is starting to see the real man. Sansa is probably the only person that Petyr is allowing to see his true self. She is no longer afraid of him. She is starting to think like him. She likes when he is funny and warm with her. She was uncomfortable with the first kiss in the snow I think because it was more of a shock. She had only kissed Joffrey once and here a grown man kissed her but was married to her aunt. She notes his breath smells of mint and yields to him for a moment before pulling away and HE LETS HER GO. He doesn’t pursue it or pressure her.

The show has really ruined their relationship arc and if far more interesting in the books. Petyr is gently seducing her a bit. He does kiss her but her the way she thinks about him through AFFC is showing she is starting to understand him and that she is better off with him. Allign yourself with the smartest man in the game and that man is Petyr. Her attitude towards him and being able to see that he’s two different men. He is Petyr with her and Littlefinger with everyone else.

What I find interesting in her growth is that Sansa is empowered by Petyr. He is teaching her to see the world as it is. Harsh reality. Petyr is nothing but direct and harsh in telling her the needed truth about things. Sansa has had rose coloured glasses on for so long. Life is not a song, a fairytale and the prince is evil and people are greedy ruthless and cruel. She would have been worse off if Petyr left her in Kings Landing. Her parents were going to marry her to Joffrey. Had she married him…we can only imagine how that would have been. Remaining Tyrions wife would have still ended badly for her. Marrying Tyrells would have left her unhappy as well.

With Petyr she is becoming her own woman. She is beholding to no one. She is able to make decisions that could give her Winterfell back and perhaps the entire North. What life would she have had with Sandor? Really? I don’t think Petyr will harm her. I think he genuinely cares for her. She is probably the one person he truly cares for. People keep thinking he is going to rape her. No. Petyr actually has respect for Sansa. I think he wants her to choose him.

And funny enough, Harry should be Sansa’s dream boy. Hes the guy younger Sansa would have fallen for. But now, she sees him as a total asshole. Playing a bastard after being a highborn lady for so long… seeing how the other side is treated has been a good education and quite brilliant of Petyr. He is teaching her to think like him. To see the world as it is. So she isn’t even attracted to Harry and actually ridicules him. All the while she is teasing/seducing him, she is thinking of Petyr. She cant wait to tell Petyr about how she played Harry. In fact, all through the leaked Winds of Winter chapter, Sansa has Petyr on the brain. She is constantly thinking about him, looking for him and blushes big time when Myranda talks about him in a sexual way. Myranda, I think suspects more than she lets on. Something is fishy between supposed father and bastard daughter. Sansa doesn’t act offended or scold Myranda for talking about her ‘father’ that way…no she BLUSHES.

So for those shippers that say Petyr is a pedo…. are simply writing him off as a moustrache twirling villain and nothing more. Petyr is an extremely well developed and complex character. Keeping his motivations and end game as a mystery is brilliant writing on GRRM’s part. Petyr builds Sansa up where everyone else wrote her off as a dumb girl. I think they are a perfect match whether it becomes romantic or not.

As far as age…. I’m kind of offended by people who can’t handle age gap. I dated a guy for several years that was 16 years my senior. We got on great. Yeah, Sansa is really young but she was considered marriageable age in that world. Again, it’s not modern times and modern thinking. Women were possessions. So Petyr kissing her wasn’t considered inappropriate really. I know this argument has been beat to death. GOT isnt historical but the world GRRM created reflects medieval times and how people functioned in that kind of society.

Wow, I went on wayyyy longer than I intended. These are the arguments I’m tired of having with other fans. They can ridicule me all they like and I dont’ care. I don’t ridicule and insult them. As I said, our little fucked up creepyship corner of the fandom is loaded with awesome people and we like each other. I just try not to engage in debates with other fans in regards to shipping. All it creates is negativity on my part and I’m sick of trying to explain how I see it.

So that was long winded of me and more than you were probably askng for.

I’m going back to my dumpster on the awesome Creepyship sailing for hell.

Logan is not Christopher... um, yeah he is.

Okay folks, I think that people who don’t like the Logan is Christopher comparison are missing the point. I don’t think anyone is say Logan is literally like Christopher. They’re not comparing how Christopher reacted at 16 when Lorelai got pregnant to how Logan would/will act when he finds out about Rory, or that they’ll be the same kind of father. If they are, then they are the ones who are missing the point.

What they (we/me) are saying with this comparison is that Logan is to Rory, what Christopher was to Lorelai. Don’t forget, Christopher offered to marry Lorelai when they were kids, and even though they kept coming back together over the years, including that ill fated marriage attempt, they could never make it work. Because, as Lorelai said when they split for the last time, that he was the man she wanted to want. But she didn’t. She knew deep down she was never going to love him like he loved her.

That is what Logan is for Rory. On paper he makes sense, they have fun, he truly loves her. He did propose once, she turned him down. And even though they’ve obviously kept coming back together as well, I really think if revival Logan asked Rory to marry him, she would still turn him down again. Because, just like her Mother knew, deep down she really doesn’t want to be with him. I think Logan knows this, which is why he doesn’t push for more.  

This analogy works so well because it sets up perfectly the fact that Jess is for Rory, what Luke is for Lorelai. Someone who just innately understands what she needs and is able to provide it, while calling her on her BS when he needs to, because lets face it, those girls can be terribly self centered and selfish! I also don’t like the argument that Jess is a jerk. NO. Teenage Jess was a jerk, and had good reason to be. He had more character growth and a better emotional arc than any other character on the show - until Emily’s story line in the revival! If anything he’s too good for Rory. He grew up, Rory started out as a cheater and is still a cheater 16 years later!! 

Anyway, either way, no matter who you ship (and I do like Logan, it was just never gonna be him!) we can all agree that Dean being out of the picture is a good thing, lol! (sorry Dean shippers!) That and we need a revival to the revival like right NOW!!! 

The reasons I love Jess Mariano have nothing to do with Rory. He was this kid growing up in a fucked up life with a mother who did drugs, dated/got married a lot, she obviously didn’t cook for him because it was pointed out by Luke even that she wasn’t one for household stuff and considering the trouble she had at making Thanksgiving dinner, I’d say cooking was part of it. We never know the extent of her drug use outside of pot or the extent of her boyfriends. But imagine being this kid who had to take care of his mother when she’s drunk or high or having to hide from whatever boyfriend she has. Then imagine getting into trouble and being shipped off to a place you’ve never been to and to an uncle you’ve had minimal contact with and who knew how your mother was but did nothing to help Jess sooner. Then imagine the whole town being against him, aside from two people, which is two more than he ever had actually. He heard so much crap about how he’s the bad guy and had all these people against him that he probably started to believe them. Then in walks his father who he never met (yes, never met because they changed the canon to when he was born even if 2x05 says differently) and he genuinely becomes curious as to who the hell this guy is and why wasn’t he enough to stay? He wants to know this guy who left him with Liz and maybe understand why. I wish they’d mentioned if they kept contact but the fact that after California, Jess kept in contact with his mother and he slowly built himself up. And he had to do it away from Stars Hollow. He had to do it on his own. Because even if anyone knew how his life was pre-2x05, they might not understand. Was leaving a shitty thing to do? Yes. But it needed to happen because if he stayed there, he might never have overcame any of the shit he’d dealt with. And then he doesn’t come back in Rory’s life until he’s gotten his shit together and he mended his relationship with Luke and wrote a book and made something of himself. He moved past whatever happened in his past and with his mother and that in itself is a pretty hard thing to do. And sure, he was a snarky little asshole too. But if you consider the circumstances, its probably to mask his feelings which I 1000% relate to.

anonymous asked:

what did you think of rory and logan's affair?

i didn’t like it, but to say it was ooc for rory is wrong. she slept with dean while he was married, emotionally cheated on dean with jess, kissed jess when she was with logan, so it’s definitely something rory in the original series would have done, but i guess i had hoped she would have grown up by now? rory is definitely someone who thinks more with her heart than with her head, so i don’t think she really thought of the moral wrongness of sleeping with logan, because it’s abundantly clear she’s still in love with him. rory at this point in her life doesn’t have much in the way of a career, so falling back with logan. who is comfortable and familiar and loves her, is a crutch. she says it herself, that logan is the one she falls back on. rory has always been a little self-centered so she probably hasn’t ever thought about paul and odette or anyone else’s feelings. as for logan, i mean, i guess everything else in his life is being decided for him. he’s 34, presumably back working for his dad, apparently being forced into a marriage he doesn’t want ‘the dynastic plan’. rory is the one thing in his life that he has some say in. do i like it? no. i think asp deliberately regressed their characters so much to shoehorn an ending she wanted 9 years ago and this is the only way she could do it. but i do admit i kind of get a kick from all the angst.

tl;dr: rory and logan deserve better and asp can bite me. 

TVLine posted a revival scoop masterpost (of sorts), which includes the following information:

  • Each episode, titled after the four seasons, will be 90 minutes in length. The series will begin with “Winter” because “narratively, it really worked… to open on snow and have a colder, starker environment. And then end on a lusher, warmer, golden-y town, which lends to where the story will end.“ It will begin approximately four months after Richard’s death. Kelly Bishop says this about Emily: "Because of the fact that Emily lost her husband, she’s kind of a raw nerve. In a desperate attempt to push through [her grief], she blows between right on the edge of losing it to almost being a little manic.”
  • The revival is set in present day, eight years after the show ended. 
  • One of the four main characters–Lorelai, Luke, Rory, or Emily–will get a new love interest.
  • ASP states that Rory is “single in the sense that she’s not married. But she’s dating like any young woman with that face would be.“
  • ASP will not ignore the events of Season 7.
  • Melissa McCarthy (Sookie) is not expected to appear.
  • Wayne Wilcox (Marty) will not be back.
  • Sutton Foster, Bailey De Young, and Stacey Oristano, who worked with ASP on Bunheads, will make appearances.
  • Mae Whitman will also have a cameo and will share a scene with Lauren Graham. Of her appearance, Ausiello can tell us that it she shares a “fun moment” with Lauren and that it will “delight Parenthood fans.”
  • The final four words are likely an exchange between Lorelai and Rory.
  • Filming will wrap in early May.

You can view the full article here. Notably missing is a premiere date. Though it has yet to be revealed/established, Biff Yeager and Jackson Douglas have both hinted that it could be as early as this winter (if not sooner) and as late as early 2017.

Moffat Appreciation: Amelia Pond

I love the depth of Amy’s character. I love how, the more you think about her, the more it all comes together. She is one of the most sound and thought-through characters I know, but none of it is really spelled out for us, none of it is openly discussed. It is, however, all there for us to understand.

To me, Amy never was an in-your-face relatable character. Tall, gorgeous, confident, but at the same time careless with people’s hearts - whether as a kissogram or by running away and snogging the Doctor the night before she gets married. Married to Rory no less, who is so kind and caring and so insecure - “How can you treat him so badly?” one wants to scream.

But it is really Amy who is insecure.

We might think that, because she is pretty and quick-witted and wears a short skirt, she’s never suffered through anything in her life. We know differently, though. We know from the start that both her father and her mother are gone and that she doesn’t even understand why. Four psychiatrists have given up on her and she was abandoned even by her imaginary friend. Amy is the most abandoned character in the history of characters.

No wonder she has trust issues! No wonder she chooses a profession that simulates intimacy while keeping her entirely in control. No wonder she tests a sort-of-married Doctor for his faithfulness. And no wonder she is terrified of committing to the one person who has always been there, the one stable thing in her life: Rory. Heck, even calling him her boyfriend is difficult.

In Amelia’s world, relationships do not last. People who she loves leave for no reason and she has no control over it. So she tests the relationships she does have, tests whether they will really, really hold, no matter how badly she behaves.

And she controls whatever else she can. Just because someone is a Timelord, it doesn’t necessarily mean they know what they’re doing, she will be the judge of that, and excuse me, your majesty, I’m gonna need a hand.

Rose Tyler and Donna Noble were both beautifully relatable because they were struggling in their everyday life, struggling with self esteem, struggling with being special - but they were always confident in the fact that they were a good person.

Amy is a Scottish kissogram in a small town in England. She has no problem being special. Her struggle, after all the heartbreak she has gone through, is about being a good person.

Moffat never addresses this struggle. He never makes it part of the plot or even part of a dialogue. But it is her backstory, ready for us to figure out if we want it, and it is deep and  beautiful and heartbreaking - the story never told. Moffat wrote it anyway.

SO SOMETHING'S BEEN BUGGING ME

OK so I’ve recently seen a lot about how Steven Moffat’s Doctor Who witting is sexist or whatever, and while I think he cannot write for toffee I would like to point out several things:

  1. Ok, yes, his female characters get married. WHY IS THAT A PROBLEM???? When Amy gets married to Rory she is definitely the dominant one in that relationship and she doesn’t change as a character at all! She’s still strong and independent but she’s also in love with this dorky guy who’s completely in love with her! Also, River has literally been married the entire time that we’ve known her, and she is one of the most bad-ass characters that’s ever been on this show! I think it’s not demeaning to have female characters get married, especially if they continue to be bad-ass and independent afterwards!
  2. HE WROTE IN A LESBIAN INTERSPECIES COUPLE WHO JUST HAPPEN TO BE TWO OF THE MOST AWESOME CHARACTERS EVER!
  3. DO YOU NEED A THIRD REASON?????????????????