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Thoughts on Patroclus

Friendly reminder that Patroclus should not be remember simply as “Achilles’ bitch”.

Friendly reminder that Patroclus was a little shit. He had the power, the looks and the skills, and he knew it. Not only he excelled at battle; he did it while taunting his enemies all the fucking time cause he was going to win and he knew it.

Friendly reminder that he was the one guy who got to call out on Achilles, something no one else dared to do. In fact, men went to ask him to call out on Achilles because everyone was scared of him. Except for Patroclus.

Friendly reminder that Patroclus had advanced medical knowledge, something extremly rare at the time. He healed many of his friends and comrades during battle. Hadn’t it been for him, many great warriors would have died.

Friendly reminder that Patroclus was loyal to a fault. He was always by Achilles’ side in battle. He never disobeyed Achilles orders. The one time he did, was the time he died.

Friendly reminder that Patroclus was kind and had a soft heart. He cried because while Achilles’ Rage lasted, he wouldn’t let any of his men enter battle, Patroclus included. And while Achilles’ troops were hiding in their ships, the rest of the Greek army got crushed. Patroclus felt so powerless and helpless because he couldn’t do nothing as he saw his comrades dying.

Friendly reminder that Patroclus had a character crisis. He had to decide whether obeying his Lord’s commands and abandoning his friends in battle, or going against his Lord’s wishes and engaging fight.

Friendly reminder that he refused to stay behind like a coward. He chose to enter battle, but since he was a honourable man he told Achilles about it. Friendly reminder that he managed to sway Achilles’ Rage. Friendly reminder that he managed to convince Achilles to let their troops rejoin the war, thus returning the victory to the Greeks.

Friendly reminder that Patroclus was flawed. He committed hubris. He got so battle drunk and was so excited by the prospect of finally ending the war, that he disobeyed Achilles’ direct command not to fight near the walls of Troy, and chased the Troyans back to the limits of the city. To the place Achilles had specifically told him not to go because it would be too dangerous. Friendly reminder that this one flaw is his downfall.

Friendly reminder that Patroclus doesn’t go down without giving one hell of a fight. Friendly reminder that Patroclus was so strong that Apollo (the God that protected Troy and Hector [Troy’s heir to the throne]) had to face him and repel him four times. Four times. A god. If that ain’t badass, then I don’t know what could be. In the fourth time, Apollo got inside Patroclus’ head and made him dizzy. Patroclus fell and Apollo removed him from his armour- Achilles’ armour. Patroclus ended up unprotected, vulnerable and dizzy in the middle of the battle field; so a random dude saw the opportunity and stabbed his back with a spear. But was that enough to make him go down? Oh heck no. The pain snapped him out of the dizziness. Patroclus realized he was in a very troublesome situation so he decided to fall back… but at that moment Hector engaged him in battle. And Patroclus wouldn’t retire from a direct combat, oh heck he wouldn’t. Even though he knew this was probably the way he would die, he fought with his all.

Friendly reminder that lacking his armor, tired from battle, with a spear wound on his back and only Achilles’ sword left as weapon, Patroclus faced Hector, Troy’s greatest warrior and didn’t fear.

Friendly reminder that when Hector sheathed his spear in Patroclos’ stomach, Patroclus thought about the love of his life.

Friendly reminder that with his last breath Patroclus smiled at Hector and told him “You are a dead man. This will be your downfall”. Friendly reminder that until his last moment, he was a little shit.

Friendly reminder that Patroclus is a flawed, well-rounded, badass character and that he deserves so much more than his current position as “Achilles’s love interest”.

Do you ever think archaeologists will look back at us in hundreds of years and assume that our fandoms were actually our religious institutions?

They’ll find Deathly Hallows marks and determine that we attended the church of Hogwarts, estimate that we believed in a time traveling god known as the Doctor, assume that Christianity took a really weird turn to include two brothers and a 1967 Chevy Impala, judge that Moriarty was a modern Satan figure, predict that we believed in all powerful beings called superheroes, and guess that there was a major resurgence of Greek mythology at the beginning of the 21st century.

A Guide To Greek Gods and Heroes:
  • Apollo: trash
  • Jason: trash
  • Medea: dubiously evil queen of my heart
  • Agamemnon: dead trash
  • Clytemnestra: takes out the trash
  • Zeus: walk of shame incarnate
  • Hermes: little shit
  • Hestia: literally no one talks about her
  • Artemis: #misandry
  • Hera: woman, scorned
  • Hades: goth wannabe shit baby
  • Persephone: Per-Step-On-Me
  • Ares: God Of War ™
  • Aphrodite: Walk Walk Fashion Baby
  • Cronus: hide yo kids, hide yo wife
  • Athena: i feel like she plays baseball probably
  • Achilles: I Love My Dead Gay Son
  • Patroclus: “Geez Achilles find your chill.” 
  • Orpheus: Gay
  • Hephaestus: allll byyyy myyyyseeEEEeelf
  • Heracles: why does no one talk about him mucking out those stables?
  • Odysseus: total piece of shit
  • Chiron: tired of everyone’s shit
  • Hecate: my wife

    EDITED TO ADD THE FOLLOWING
  • Patroclus (alt.): Oh look at that. I’ve been impaled.
  • Poseidon: I think you mean Broseidon, bro to the fishes and ponies
  • Dionysus: ambiguously queer and perpetually sloshed
  • Oedipus: the loser of every ‘yo momma’ battle
  • Ajax: Stronger than Grease ™ <-soap reference in case it’s too obscure
  • Circe: basically that scene in Monty Python where all the evil ladies wanna bang
  • Tiresias: Bet he didn’t see that one coming.
  • Cassandra: got the short end of every stick
  • Antigone: that play from high school english that everyone sparknoted
  • Cerberus: whozagoodboyden
  • Hyacinth: what kind of asshole gets killed by a discus?
  • Hippolytus: a fedora sporting MRA
  • Romulus: moon
  • Remus: moon
  • Narcissus: Treat Yo Self

anonymous asked:

Hades is the most precious of them all

He doesn’t exactly have much competition.

On a completely different note, I would like to start the hashtag #hestiaexists2k17.

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Apollo (Attic, Ionic, and Homeric Greek: Ἀπόλλων, Apollōn)

He is the God of Light, in whom is no darkness at all, and so he is the God of Truth. No false word ever falls from his lips.

“band of brothers” + greek mythology

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Holby City AU: Greek Mythology

Hades & Persephone

“I had tasted freedom and yet I went back to you, as the world changed shape and slipped into something unfamiliar. I had found, in the days when we were apart, that I missed the darkness - that I had missed the beauty only you could give”.

Sleep No More Shanghai, take one

Initial thoughts - trying not to spoil too much -

* Some things are exactly the same as in NYC
* Some things are a lot better
* Some things are significantly worse

MINOR SPOILERS FOLLOW, READ AT YOUR OWN RISK

The good:

There are two completely new characters, with a story based on Chinese mythology. Major characters, not minor. I enjoyed them very much. If you’re going to make the trip all the way out here, they would be the main reason it’s worth it. Not a whole new Punchdrunk show, but at least FINALLY something new.

Taxi, Cunning Man, and Speakeasy have way more to do. As far as I can tell, no characters have been cut, although some have been changed, often in good ways.

The performances are top notch. A mix of Punchdrunk’s best, plus new performers who have been taught very well. It was wonderful to finally see so many Drowned Man performers in a Punchdrunk show again.

The budget put into the set shows clearly. Everything is beautiful and clean.

The layouts of the rooms make more logical sense. Duncan’s suites and the Macduff suites especially. They are huge, beautiful, and elaborate - Duncan’s actually befits a king.

There is more space and less rush for walkouts, which makes them more powerful.

The disappointing:

A lot of components from the New York show have been watered down. I saw no nudity and very little blood. The rave was nowhere near as powerful. (The rep bar also has a low ceiling, which didn’t help.)

The ballroom and Macbeth bedroom are smaller and less impressive. I didn’t follow the Macbeths, but the lack of bathtub in their suite speaks for itself.

The Porter doesn’t have a mirror for “Moonlight Becomes You,” and even if he did, the layout is such that you would not be able to see Lady Macduff in it anyway. :’(

The fourth floor shops are too small and cramped - lots of getting stuck in traffic jams and not being able to see much of the scene.

The language barrier makes it difficult to connect with the bar characters and bartenders, though of course this isn’t an issue if you speak Chinese.

The bar is pretty dead after the show ends. And there is no free water. :(

It’s extremely commercial - video ads outside on the building, a sponsored Budweiser on the bar menu, a full on gift shop. (Anyone want a McKinnon-themed china tea set?)

Slight recap of my actual first show - I wandered without following anyone for long. I didn’t follow Boy Witch at all (surprise!) but my first and only 1:1 was the Porter (no surprise at all). The performer (Andrea?) was great. The person playing Hecate was also wonderful (I don’t want to spoil who). I loved seeing Sam Booth and Olly Hornsby-Sayer do a completely surreal and strange new scene. I accidentally ended up following my least favorite character (Cunning Man) because Omar Gordon is so good. I was walked out by a Chinese performer who I think was playing the equivalent of the Matron, and who was great. Not a single performance was disappointing.

INTERMISSION - Concluding the First Half of the “Course.”

Komiði sæl og blessud, vinir,

I am amazed at home far this informal “course” has come. We have covered A LOT of material this year - 20 lessons with a total of 30 posts. So, let’s take a moment to recap all of the lessons that have been posted up until now, before we move to the next half of this “course.”


FIRST HALF: Culture and Society.

Introductory Segment
Lesson 1The Viking Age and Our Sources.
Lesson 2The Geography and People of Early Medieval Scandinavia.
Lesson 3The Origins of the Viking Age.

Mythological Segment
Lesson 4Introduction to Norse Mythology: Our Sources.
Lesson 5Intro to Norse Mythology: The Story of Creation and the Worlds.
Lesson 6aIntro to Norse Mythology: The Major Gods and Races (Part 1).
Lesson 6bIntro to Norse Mythology: The Major Gods and Races (Part 2).
Lesson 6cIntro to Norse Mythology: The Major Gods and Races (Part 3).
Lesson 7Viking Spirituality.

Literary Segment
Lesson 8Runes
Lesson 9aLiterature and the Sagas, Part 1: The Nature of Our Sources.
Lesson 9bLiterature and the Sagas, Part 2: Snorri Sturluson and the Edda.
Lesson 9cLiterature and the Sagas, Part 3: The Skalds and Their Poetry.
Lesson 9dLiterature and the Sagas, Part 4: Kingly and Heroic Saga Literature.
Lesson 9eLiterature and the Sagas, Part 5: The Icelandic Sagas and Saga Style.

Society and Law Segment
Lesson 10Viking Age Society.
Lesson 11Law in the Viking Age.
Lesson 12Blood, Feud, and Honor.
Lesson 13aWomen in the Viking Age, Part 1: Overview and Social Roles.
Lesson 13bWomen in the Viking Age, Part 2: In the Eyes of the Law.
Lesson 13cWomen in the Viking Age, Part 3: Were Women “Vikings?”

Ship Segment
Lesson 14aViking Ships and Seafaring, Part 1: Development, Construction, and Navigation.
Lesson 14bViking Ships and Seafaring, Part 2: Primary Examples.

Native Settlement and Trade Segment
Lesson 15aThe Settlements at Home, Part 1: The Longhouse and the Village.
Lesson 15bThe Settlements at Home, Part 2: Early Towns.
Lesson 16Viking Money: Commerce, Coins, and Cuerdale.

Art and Weaponry Segment
Lesson 17Viking Crafts.
Lesson 18Viking Art: Decorating Useful Objects.
Lesson 19Viking Weaponry.
Lesson 20Viking Warfare.


I thank everyone who reads these lessons and supports my blog. I hope that everyone is benefitting from these lessons, although they are definitely not the best. As I have said, they are mainly based off my experiences in one class, taught by Dr. Jennifer Dukes-Knight, and various books I have read with her and on my own after taking that course. Regardless, I am vey glad to provide these lessons to give people a place to begin their exploration of Viking history.

Next week, things will return to normal with…

SECOND HALF: Raids, Settlements, and Kings.

I look forward to the second half of the course, and I am sure many others are as well. So, we shall return next Friday with Lesson 21 - Viking Raids: Francia. (Lesson may be split into parts).

Skál og ferð vel.

anonymous asked:

So, to piggyback on the question about the afterlife - do we get reincarnated to come back and worship the Theoi again? Like, I understand we wouldn't be able to remember after drinking from the Lethe, but do you think that's possible / are there sources to support it?

I don’t believe that reincarnation was a common theme for the majority of Hellenic mythology, though I may be wrong. If my memory serves me correctly, reincarnation was something that was primarily centered on those mystery cults (can’t remember if it was the Orphics, but it sounds like something they’d incorporate), in that they believed everyone was eventually reborn, but that only those who were initiated would be able to remember that fact. Most Greeks would not have even considered the possibility.

Personally? I honestly don’t know, but I try to live on the assumption that this is the only chance I’ll get aboveground.

@theheadlesshashasheen @bayoread do y'all have more information on this subject?

(Some) College Majors and the Gods of Olympus

This is the product of me stressing out about college.

Biochemistry- Apollo
Archaeology- Muse Clio / Athena
Information Technology- Hermes
Computer Science- Athena
Political Science- Athena / Zeus
Chemistry- Athena / Apollo
Aerospace Engineering- Hephaestus
Structural Engineering- Hephaestus
Philosophy- Athena
Communications- Hermes
Criminal Justice- Dike
Statistics- Athena
Anthropology- Athena
Psychology- Dionysus
Premed- Apollo
History- Athena / Muse Clio
English- Apollo
Film- Dionysus
Creative Writing- Apollo / Athena
Astrophysics- Muse Urania / Athena
Physics- Athena / Hephaestus
Nursing- Apollo / Aphrodite
Marine Biology- Poseidon
Accounting- Hermes
Finance- Hermes
Art History- Athena / Muses
Music Performance- Apollo / Muses
Graphic Design- Apollo
Civil Engineering- Athena
Mechanical Engineering- Hephaestus
Economics- Hermes
Architecture- Hestia / Athena
Aviation- Zeus / Athena
Education- Athena
Horticulture- Demeter
Social Work- Aphrodite
Electrical Engineering- Zeus / Hephaestus
Actuarial Science- Hermes
Child Development- Hera
Family studies- Hera
Agriculture- Demeter
Fashion design- Aphrodite
Performing Arts- Apollo / Muses

Feel free to continue the list or correct me if I’m inaccurate

On the Black Persephone debate

I mean, we can debate all day long about the relative levels of melanin in the skin of Classical Greeks, but I’d like to point out 3 things to maybe add to the discussion (which does seem to be a rather dangerous endeavor at the moment).

1. The Classical Greeks were xenophobic as fuck. Like, the level of Xenophobia Athens and Sparta (oh my god Sparta. Sparta calm the fuck down) displayed to  everyone else, including even some of the more distant poles, is either hilarious or horrifying. Seriously, read some Herodotus sometime, it’s fun. But regardless, the dividing line between Greek and Not Greek came from primarily language, religion, and culture. Applying modern definitions of race as applies to American definitions is essentially useless.
a. It is worth noting that during the Hellenistic monarchies, the Greek-speaking world was significantly more varied in terms of Ethnicity, as Alexander just looked at Asia and northern Africa and said “mine.”
b. It is probably also worth noting that talking about ethnicity and race in the Roman period is going to be a whole different story, especially during the Empire. Their policy wasn’t so much Xenophobia as it was subsume everything. There’s also lots of fun scholarly debate about just how black Septimius Severus and his son Caracalla were. It is very certain that Septimius Severus was born in one of the Roman African provinces and was described in every ancient literary source talking about him to have very dark skin. But, again, trying to figure out someone’s race in modern terms based on ancient descriptors isn’t going to ever work.

2. It is very important that modern Classicists acknowledge that by and large every non-ancient scholar who has said anything to have influenced the field in any way prior to the past couple decades or so will most likely have been an old rich white dude hailing from some western european country or other. To assume that the entire field and the current assumptions on race and culture that are entrenched in the scholarly literature are not in some way biased by the people writing them is very, very stupid. Therefore, challenging the pre-conceived notions that the Greeks 2500 years ago must look exactly like the Greeks right now and actually being willing to dig into that and unpack it, is pretty chill. Also I think anyone saying anything either way is going to have to admit that we can’t prove jack shit. 

3. Due to the fact that basically all of the Greek (and Roman) gods were imported from other cultures, there is literally no reason they can’t be portrayed however the fuck we want to portray them. Take Aphrodite. Aphrodite is nearly a direct transformation of the Mesopotamian deity Ishtar. So I think it’d be pretty dang cool to see Aphrodite portrayed with some of the ethnic characteristics of the areas of the Ancient Near East she was originally imported from. Additionally, modern intersectional feminist revisionist narratives are awwwesome. It’s equally important to acknowledge all of the patriarchal societal forces that shaped the original myth narratives, and that literally every ancient Greek or Roman writer that wrote about the gods changed the stories however the hell they wanted to. Ancient Greek religion was constantly mutable. It was not fixed even between two locations at the same time. It changed constantly depending on where you were, what cults were most important there, and what local deities had been subsumed into the cult of the particular polis. Same goes for the Romans, except even more so. Take Magna Mater, they literally sailed a ship across the ocean to go find a rock representing the goddess, brought it back, and built a temple for it. Boom. One of the most important goddesses of the Roman Pantheon. 

I am, of course, open to further discussion, if anyone would like to add a different or additional viewpoint, or correct me on any gross oversights?

Lithuanian mythology - Perkūnas
  • His name literally means “thunder.”
  • He rides in a two wheel chariot and holds an axe in his hand, which he uses to punish the wicked.
  • He is also associated with rain, lightning, and thunder, and is a fertility god, bringing rain after a drought and protecting people against thunderstorms.