In her original post, she noticed that it looks like a young red driving the town car that Kate is in the back of… notice the sideburns and greenish eyes. we also only see part of his face, as usual:
here’s now MORE evidence to back up her claim…
we see the car parked in front of the house several times throughout the show, including when the police are there after masha is kidnapped.
a man is then IMMEDIATELY seen inside the foyer, holding a framed photo of masha. it appears to be a man’s hand by the look of the nails. it also can’t be kate, as she’s obviously still approaching the house, or katerina, as she is upstairs packing in the bedroom. kirk is not at the house at this time, and if it was an officer, why not simply show the man?
and remember, red said at the beginning of season 4 that he is familiar with the “summer palace.”
OUR red is also familiar with the apparent comings and goings of kirk, knowing exactly when he was at the “summer palace.” red tells kirk, “she [masha] lived at your house, as your daughter, on and off for four years. sometimes you were there, sometimes you weren’t.” how would red know that, unless he was there as well?
this mysterious figure then walks away as kate is approaching the front entrance. he takes the photo with him. kate never sees him.
now we know by red’s own words to lizzie in “luther braxton part 2″ that he was there the night of the fire WITH katerina to retrieve the fulcrum.
(and red obviously can’t be the real raymond reddington as he has already kidnapped masha and the fulcrum and gone to america).
katerina tells kate that she knows raymond took masha to america, and now that’s where she’s going. she says she’ll deal with it herself… but she probably took OUR red with her (who more than likely worked for her to spy on her).
we also learn in this episode that sam was the ONLY person who knew BOTH katerina and raymond reddington. so if sam duped kate by introducing her to a doppleganger version of raymond (which i believe he did), kate would have no way of knowing OUR red wasn’t the original raymond reddington.
this idea makes perfect sense when we look back at “general ludd” when sam is dying. he tells red, “i need to tell lizzie.” red replies, “no.” sam argued, “i KNOW WHAT WE AGREED… but before i go, i have to tell her.” red says, “i can’t let you do that.” sam again argues, “she deserves to know the truth.”
so sam is definitely in on some kind of con with OUR red. it is very possible that that con stem back to when he duped kate all those years ago about red’s real identity.
kate said she never met raymond in person before. she even says as much to OUR red upon meeting him.
but here’s the kicker… red tells kate that she probably knows him better than she realizes. (she probably just never paid close enough attention and didn’t recognize him). if red was the family driver for katerina, kate probably saw him daily but never put two and two together. he was right in front of her the whole time.
lastly, we may have been given an easter egg by tptb when katerina explains the job to kate. she tells kate that when she is around, kate’s only job is to observe how things are done, (in order to keep consistency when katerina isn’t there).
but what if this also means maybe OUR red was there undercover to observe and spy on katerina for the us?
what better way to observe katerina than by being a driver/bodyguard/etc for the family?
the best part? are the comments on the show in the past about people never having seen red drive before. talk about ironic, lol.
with @red-is-the-new-blackington‘s permission, i’m going to add this to my “imposter red theory post” with credit because there is absolutely NO WAY this isn’t correct imo.
i’m so excited that more people are now jumping on that theory!!!
My “Red Is An Imposter” Theory: (warning, it only opens in a browser, either phone or computer… tumblr phone app will make it crash)
Anyone else stressing out about how Supergirl has changed in 2A? I don’t know if it’s because of the move to the CW but I feel like Kara’s not as badass now than in season 1. And even though I know Calista didn’t want to come back for season 2, I still miss Cat so much she made me laugh so hard with her interactions with Kara and the whole CatCo storyline. I loved Kara and James together as well I enjoyed the massive build up all through the first season and now it’s just not happened like it’s been erased and she’s already moved on to Mon-El. Where did Lucy go as well? All these characters that have left without a proper explanation makes me really sad. I hope being on the CW doesn’t mean the show will focus more on the romantic relationships between characters (including sanvers) because I freaking loved all of the fights and DEO scenes. Don’t get me wrong, I love sanvers but I don’t want it to take over the show as I fear it could do (I can already feel myself getting so attached to them oops). I don’t know if it’s just me but I just think Supergirl isn’t the same as season 1 and I’m praying the show doesn’t go downhill because god I love this show.
The driver theory made me remember something in Luther Braxton (part 2). During Liz's memories , we see the young Liz running in a place where there are illuminated trees and we can hear Christmas music. Suddenly we hear the voice of a young man saying ... Lizzie, not Masha and not Elizabeth, but Lizzie. The little girl runs immediately towards this man. Could this man be our driver (young Red)? When you think about it, who calls Elizabeth Lizzie ...
I have always wondered if that man was supposed to be OUR Red. If it wasn’t, or was Sam, why not simply show his face?
The only hold up I have with that idea is that IF OUR Red was undercover and working for the Rostova household, I don’t think he would have had a close relationship with little Lizzie/Masha. He probably would have kept his distance.
Another strange idea I’ve been thinking about for a while since that scene was the possibility that it isn’t really OUR Lizzie’s memory at all.
Dr. Orchard told Braxton that Lizzie was having a tangent memory, replacing a painful one with a good one to help her subconsciously cope with the stress Braxton was putting her through.
And we then found out that not only did Red erase her memory of that night, but that he actually somehow had someone CHANGE her memories possibly.
(Now to ME, this is getting a little sci fi, but the show doesn’t exactly shy away from talking about fringe sciences either…)
So I personally wonder if that tangent memory Lizzie had at the Christmas tree farm wasn’t actually HER memory, but OUR Red’s daughter’s memory. So basically Lizzie has some of the REAL Elizabeth’s memories.
I know that’s getting “out there,” and could be completely off base, but who knows?
Or maybe you’re right and OUR Red was somehow involved in her life. Maybe he looked different back then? Or maybe since Red wiped her memories, she wouldn’t remember him/recognize him anyways so OUR Red has nothing worry about.
I’m curious to learn more about this scene though… And hopefully we’ll get some sort of em explanation by seadons’ end!
So I took a break from working on commissions to do this and it snowballed. I thought it would be cool to do a piece of Anders’ Manifesto (thank you everyone who replied! <3) - also a good prop for my casual anders cosplay since I definitely don’t have time to make a good mage staff in 11 days (or shouldn’t anyway). So I’ll probably be carrying a pile of these at any cons I wear it to (so for sure, Dragon Con).
Ended up having to sift through all of the available Anders dialogue in the dragon age wiki (as well as some of the hawke/anders dialogue clips on youtube) to come up with material, so it was a fun design challenge (though now i want to make mage revolution shirts with the fireball fist on them…someone stop me)…
Here’s my watched or watching list. If I haven’t finished up the show, its because it got boring to me or I’m coming back to it. I really really like detective like shows or crime.
Alphas (S1-2)* American Horror Story (S1-3) Arrow (S1) Attack on Titan (S1) Better Call Saul (S1) Black Butler (S1-2) Blacklist (S1-2) Bob’s Burgers (S1-5) Bones (S1-10) Breaking Bad (S1-5)* Breakout Kings (S1-2)* Brooklyn Nine-Nine (S1) Burn Notice (S1-7)* Case Closed (Collection 1) Chuck (S1-3) Death in Paradise (S1-4)* Dexter (S1-3) Doctor Who (S1-whenever the 11th doctor turned into 12th doctor) Drop Dead Diva (S1-2) Durarara!! (S1) Flash (S1) House (S1-5) How to Get Away With Murder (S1) iZombie (S1) Leverage (S1-6)* Lie to Me (S1-3)* Life (S1-2)* Luther (S1) Mysteries of Laura (S1) Nana (S1) NCIS (S1-12) New Girl (S1-3) Nikita (S1-4)* Numb3rs (S1-6)* Nurse Jackie (S1- in the middle of it) Orange is the New Black (S1) Ouran High School Host Club (S1)* Parks and Rec (S1- almost done with last season) Pretty Little Liars (S1-2) Prison Break (S1-4)* Psych (S1-8)* Raising Hope (S1-6)* Royal Pains (S1-6) Scrubs (S1-2) Sherlock (S1) Supernatural (S1- ep 13 Sword Art Online (S1-2) Taxi Brooklyn (S1)* The 100 (S1) The Finder (S1)* Torchwood (S1-4)* Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt (S1-2) Vampire Diaries (S1) Weeds (S1-5) White Collar (S1-6)* Young and Hungry (S1-2)
I was inspired to write this blog because of comments by several folks on a few of the Facebook Blacklist sites who emphatically insist there is just no way in heck Red and Lizzie could possibly develop into a romantic relationship. Some even said that if you really watch the show, you will only see a father - daughter type dynamic so we must be dreaming if we see something else. Well call me a dreamer because I am going to take the challenge and point out things that at least should give Daddy-Gaters pause and lend plenty of support to the Lizzington theory. I hope you enjoy our journey and perhaps smile along with me at my little attempts to keep things fun while still getting our message out.
(1) The first scene that I want to talk about is in the Pilot episode:
So Red’s statement to Lizzie was kind of odd right? Look at her reaction. It made her kind of uncomfortable. Below is the line as shown in the original Pilot script written by Jon Bokenkamp:
Weirdly Erotic! No wonder it made Lizzie uncomfortable. Certainly not something a father would say or imply to a daughter.
(2) Next episode is The Freelancer. Red is clearly trying to get to know Lizzie better and wants to take her on a date (or on two dates in this particular episode). He is very flirty with her especially in their Montreal date. He tries to impress her by asking about her job, ordering her French cocktails, and then he lowers his voice to that sexy whisper James Spader is famous for:
And bless her heart! Lizzie knows the game so she whispers right back at him. And then he started beaming at her. I thought this was a highly charged flirtatious scene by the both of them.
(3) In Wujing Red talked to Lizzie about Deep Throat and the G-Spot when talking about myths.
Look at Lizzie’s reaction. Kind of odd for a parental figure to say that to a daughter don’t you think?
(4) In The Courier Lizzie stops by Red’s safe house as she is upset after finding out that Tom was involved in the Angel Station murder. She tells Red she doesn’t know why she is there - and the music playing in the background is Wicked Games (and IMO the lyrics are foreshadowing for Red):
♪ No, I don’t want to fall in love (this girl is only gonna break your heart) No, I don’t want to fall in love (this girl is only gonna break your heart) With you, with you (this girl is only gonna break your heart)
Hey! This is a great song for a predicted turbulent romantic relationship. Oh wait! That’s right, they are father-daughter. My bad! In that case this was a stupid song choice….