Hi sorry if you've answered this already, but what's going on with Jimin and white people??? I'm seeing people defend him or bash him but no one is explaining what happened :/
~~i don’t know how to answer this without writing everything i feel about it, so i’m sorry if this post is long. pls remember in me answering this that i’m white, and that will directly impact my experience w this + that there are poc in this fandom who have made posts about it and those should be centered + are most likely more informative as they come from individuals directly affected by racism. if you’re another white stan who is upset by what i have to say, please direct comments to my instant messaging rather than ask box as i’d rather have legitimate discussions over messaging rather than flooding my followers with more discourse over a nonissue that’s been going on for days at this point i think a lot of people are bored + tired of it, please read the whole thing thank you!~~
oh dont worry anon nothing happened to jimin!! he’s totally fine and safe, it’s just a fandom joke within poc circles that white people are getting upset over.
this is the context in which i know the “jimin hates white people” joke and how it’s become relevant again recently, why it isnt racist, and why white people need to just leave it alone and not fight about it because it isnt hurting anybody:
there were always a few jimin hates white people jokes that would surface here and there over the years ever since that one white 14 year old boy was bossy to jimin on ahl like theyd just pop up sometimes lol
so during bbma voting when bts started getting attention, some big name accounts and internet people started giving bts attention which in some cases was a good thing! but in other cases not so much.
For example i dont remember his name but one of the guys from epicmealtime declared himself the jimin fanclub president and was obviously coming into the fandom just to start discourse for no reason + make fun of bts and also armys and use us for attention. he was both causing fights within the fandom and trying to make armys look bad claiming armys were being “””racist””” against him, which obviously cannot happen as he is white and theres no such thing as racism against white people. I was also pretty heated when he started derailing conversations about race by posting pictures of starving jews during the holocaust implying that jews being exterminated was an example of how you can in fact be racist against white people. I dont know what happened with him after that as i blocked him for using pictures of my people being tortured, from an event that wiped out nearly my entire family, as nothing but empty conversation ammunition for a fake and offensive cause
ANYWAY thats where i personally started seeing the old jimin hates white people jokes come back, people shutting this guy + other obnoxious whites down
like for example some other youtube guy i didnt know who has a track record of using blackface for jokes/being transphobic. Also on his snapchat he took a picture of some random east asian guy on the street and just wrote “jimin” above him, like obviously that type of person is racist and awful
also pewdiepie who has a history of being racist and just a plain awful person
so really most of the “jimin hates white people” jokes as i saw them (being active on twitter) were poc shutting down racist whites + making jokes at the expense of white people which is completely fine to do, as those type of jokes serve as an outlet for some and are extremely harmless as they do not really effect white people in the real world
i also saw them in regards to jimin looking upset at the bbmas which once again is just a harmless joke at the expense of white people, and does not effect jimin, bts, or white people.
really if poc make white people jokes and you don’t like it, scroll past and ignore it. as white ppl we’re able to do that. when white people make jokes regarding people who arent white, those jokes do not exist in a vacuum and contribute to greater forms oppression that legitimately exist and effect the lives of poc on a regular basis, but since those same systems are not im place to oppress white people, white people are not effected by jokes about our race in such ways as poc are (if you do not understand what i mean by jokes contributing to systems of oppression message me because I’m not going into it, that could be it’s own post)
that is why you cannot compare jokes about white people to jokes about poc and consider them the same. theres an entire historical and societal context that plays into one circumstance and DOES NOT with the other. you need to take that into account in understanding why one side effects larger things happening in the world and systemically keeps people of certain races down, while the other is just a couple words that might make a few people on the internet feel a bit sensitive
I really like the following graphic so i’m gonna use it to help explain what i mean:
basically, as this shows, jokes about white people really don’t mater in the grand scheme of things and are not racist because racism is more than creating hurt feelings. part of racism is words contributing to larger systems of oppression. jimin hates white people jokes do not do this, and therefore are not racist and hurt nobody.
i see people saying it makes jimin look bad? does it really? is this legitimately having people think jimin hates white people? not really… if someone doesnt know the context of people saying it, they can just ask another bts stan and they’ll tell you “oh its just a joke thats been going around”. jimin obviously doesnt hate white people and i don’t think anyones starting to believe that because of this.
also, there are jokes that legitimately do damage jimin much more than these jokes do, that these same white people claiming “this damages jimin” are not upset about! why? if you really cared about people making jokes that damage jimin, worry more about jokes that are racist and fetishizing towards jimin that happen regularly rather than these jokes.
jokes about jimin hating white people can be easily brushed off as jimin does not actually hate white people, while jokes about his accent/english or fetishizing him for being asian DO contribute to gross larger concepts that actually harm jimin. if you care about jimin please focus more on these jokes rather than the jimin hates white people jokes, as jimin hates white people jokes are easy to dispel and are not rooted in anything related to real life
(although if jimin did hate white people that would be fine + understandable lol but thats a different story for a different day)
so basically: whether people are using these jokes to shut racist whites down, or are just using them for fun, both situations are extremely harmless and can easily be ignored by white people, and do no harm other than making some white people feel a bit uncomfortable. Honestly if the worst a joke at the expense of your race does is make you feel a bit uncomfortable and does not contribute to larger ways in which you are oppressed, you definitely dont have as much to worry about as poc who do have to worry about such things so just ignore the jokes and go on with your day.
Also you shouldn’t be afraid to show your symptoms but making a post saying that people should have to spend time with you 24/7 in order to show they care because you have BPD is just…???? Like that’s a very clear sign of manipulative and abusive behaviour, and if you post it around Tumblr people might get the impression that everyone with BPD is the same way and all that will do is increase the stigma of BPD??? Like no people are not obligated to dedicate their entire lives to you because you have BPD, and spreading the false information that they are is just hurting the community and others with BPD. Also even if it’s a joke people might perceive it as serious, so unless you specifically state it’s a joke in the post or the tags people are going to take it seriously and again, this is hurting the community.
Why I think there might be a force bond between rey & kylo
If you’re in the reylo fandom, you probably already know about the “mysterious bond” mentioned in the star wars data bank for Kylo Ren and Rey. Recently, someone brought up the fact that this isn’t necessarily a force bond, as everyone has been speculating, and could just be some sort of relative-detecting-tingly-force-magic-shenanigan (even though at this point it’s kind of obvious that they’re not related). That got me thinking, could it really be a force bond, or is it something else?
Turns out that it could very well point to an actual force bond (here me out on this): so everyone knows that The Force Awakens follows the exact same story structure as A New Hope, which is pretty much The Hero’s Journey set in space. Now, The Hero’s Journey follows a very specific formula which A New Hope has painstakingly adhered to. The hero embarks on a journey, meets a wise mentor (Obi Wan) and a team of allies (Leia and Han), faces trials and problems, loses his mentor figure, and finally defeats the main force of evil (Death Star & Vader). Simple. And The Force Awakens is exactly the same. Rey leaves Jakku, meets a father figure (Han), teams up Finn and Poe, faces many different enemies, sees Han get killed, and finally defeats Kylo Ren.
HOWEVER. There is one plot point that was included in The Force Awakens that was not a part of A New Hope or The Hero’s Journey. The interrogation scene. Generally, the final trial in The Hero’s Journey is the first and only time the hero directly confronts the major villain - this is essentially because it’s the climax, what the entire story has been boiling down to, and you don’t want to include some minor encounter in the middle that would take away the “wow factor” later. Darth Vader is initially introduced to Luke when he kills Obi Wan, which fuels Luke’s hatred and establishes the two’s relationship as that of enemies. The Force Awakens, on the other hand, has Rey and Kylo interact even before the climax, in a scene that seems to be an unnecessary power evaluation of one another.
So why include this interrogation scene that seems to add nothing to the plot and doesn’t stick to the formula? That’s because there IS a purpose to the scene: this interaction leads to the creation of a force bond. Because we see that they’ve entered each other’s minds and have seen the dynamic that plays out between the two, we know that there is something deeper that may link the two. And what other bond than a force bond?
This is just a tentative attempt to reason with what we know so far, so there may be multiple gaps in my theory. It’s not even clear as to whether or not the bond will be taken in a romantic direction. I do think that there are certain things that hint at a romantic relationship between the two, which I may post about in the future. But for now, you get this because I just wanted to write a long post lol k bye.
Had Robert said directly to anyone other than Aaron that he's bi?? I mean tbh they should know he's not gay away because he has said that many times to people and it's wrong for them just to assume he's in denial, but I can't remember if Robert has said it or would tell anyone else ?? Still not happy that they still have this bi-erasure stuff on the show though 😔
This is kind of an interesting one - obviously, Robert has said it to Aaron on a number of occasions by this point. We’ve never seen him say it to anyone else, or at least we’ve never heard him use the word to anyone else.
He has said previously that his relationship to Chrissie was real (to/in the presence of Charity, if I’m remembering correctly). That scene - just after Lawrence and Ronnie’s relationship has been revealed publicly - is beautiful, because he literally makes a joke about not being straight, all the while being his usual terrible self towards Lawrence (because of course he knows better than anyone save for Ronnie that Lawrence experiences same sex attraction, because he spent a lot of time taking advantage of that fact).
Related, he also made the literally iconic “hat trick” comment to Chrissie, about wishing he’d slept with Lawrence too. We are not worthy.
Finn referred to him as bisexual, but that could be down to Finn having a deeper understanding of sexualities rather than Robert saying anything himself. Rebecca herself has also called Robert bisexual (despite the fact that she clearly doesn’t have a deeper understanding of sexualities). Vic asked him about it, but that was long before he was actually able to say anything beyond “I’m straight” in response.
(Also there was the iconic conversation Robert has with Faith about “different strokes” that still makes me laugh because I love a good handjob joke)
There have been a number of instances where someone has referred to Robert as gay, at which point he always makes an iconic Offended™ facial expression, but he’s never been able to actively correct them.
Those are the things i immediately remember. He’s definitely never said it to anyone else, which is fine, but I really and honestly hope that’s something they address at some point, or at least continue to make a point of, alongside how uncomfortable he still feels about going to gay bars, if only because it’s such a good story to tell??!?!?!!
Robert still isn’t completely there in dealing with his internalised homophobia (and let’s take a moment to call out the “queen” comment he made to Aaron during the January argument episodes as another instance of that).
Dealing with this sort of has to go hand in hand with dealing with Aaron’s biphobia - and I’m sort of interested to see if/how that will be addressed on Thursday - because him constantly having to defend himself to his husband will make it a lot more difficult for him to accept himself (side note: I’ve said before that I also think part of Aaron’s biphobia with Robert comes from deep personal insecurities and Robert’s very spotty history with fidelity, so there’s kind of a lot to unpack there)
and it’s not like they don’t sort of regularly pick this stuff up and make a point of it, so I still sit here with hope that they’ll actually let it lead to somewhere eventually, like the desperate and In Need Gay™ that I am because at the very least, they need to deal with the constant argument they have around Aaron conflating cheating with still being attracted to women for Robert. At the very least. And then if they could deal with the random biphobia that happens every so often elsewhere in the village, that would at least be something. and then they can just stop making biphobic comments full stop and we can stop wanting to casually throttle the writers for being so terrible and offensive. Ah, the #dream.
ANYWAY I’m so invested in them delving into this and discussing it more because there’s a lot there to work with and it would be Good and Satisfying and Beautiful. Like. Getting Robert to a point where he can a) go into a gay bar and be ok with it and b) come out to other people would be SO GOOD AND WONDERFUL #GetRobertToAGayBar2k17
Important messages from “Yuri!!! on Ice” to an athlete
1. You don’t have an expiration date. Yuuri is a “late bloomer”, you can be that too.
2. To succeed in your sport, you don’t have to be born with talent - hard work and dedication will bring you far.
3. Rivalry doesn’t exclude the possibility of a friendship.
4. What works for others might not work for you. You’re an individual and there’s not one correct answer to what will help you improve your athletic performance. Celestino wasn’t the right coach for Yuuri, ballet didn’t work for Otabek.
5. Some days - maybe weeks or months, even - you won’t perform the way you want to and know you can. That’s okay. You’ll figure it out. Everyone falls into a slump sometimes.
6. At the end of the day, the most important thing is that you enjoy your sport. It’s supposed to be fun, even though it might seem to be all work and no fun.
7. You don’t have to fight alone . Don’t be afraid to ask for help - it might help you to develop your skills and help you out of a rough patch
I’ve wanted to talk for So Long about the portrayal of anxiety in YOI but I’ve been having so much trouble putting together what I want to say in the most effective manner. I kept trying to come at this in a more analytical fashion, but considering that this is such a personally important topic to me, I’m going to try a more emotional approach. Something I don’t normally do.
So really, to start off, I wanna say that I’m so damn thankful for the way Yuuri is written. Really, seriously. I don’t think I’ve ever had the ability to relate more to character; Yuuri is close to a mirror of my own experiences with anxiety and it’s so fantastic to have a model of development and growth for me and people like me. I found the portrayal to be frighteningly accurate, from types of thoughts, behaviors, mannerisms…
I think the episode that stood out to me the most in terms of Yuuri’s anxiety was ep7, aka Yuuri’s on-screen panic attack episode.
The first thing I noticed was this:
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve found myself in that exact position. I bounce my legs when I panic, just like Yuuri is doing here. Head in his hands, breathing heavily, bouncing and jostling limbs. This isn’t the Mary-Sue cutesy portrayal of anxiety–this is a real anxiety disorder. It’s not pretty. It’s not easy. It can’t be fixed with a single word or a touch or a person. Quite frankly, it’s ugly and you lose control of your body.