loki meta

[Things that make me angry about Thor 1:

The After-Thor’s-Banishment scene in the Healing Room of the palace where the Warriors 4 learn of Loki telling the guard to go fetch Odin.

Why is everyone suddenly mad at Loki for saving their lives? This is one scene I have never quite understood and is both unreasonable, unfair, and painful in and out of canon.

Naturally, everyone in that chamber is going to be upset about Thor’s banishment. He was Loki’s brother and the close friend of all of the warriors. But his causing of a war/disrespecting Odin’s authority finally pushed Odin too far so, though none of those present like it, it would seem apparent why Thor was banished. (Banishment was probably never even comprehended in their mind, war or no war. Punishment, yes. Banishment? Never. This means that they did not see the war and the Jotun lives as worth banishment and did not expect Odin to see it that way either. So. This lends credence to the fact that Odin only moved to banish Thor after Thor disrespected him personally.)

Even though the Warriors 4 did not witness that actual banishment, that does not matter. They saw Laufey and Odin’s conversation on Jotunheim, during which Odin was clearly not pleased (see his “Silence.” to Thor) and referred to Thor as ‘boy’ several times. They heard Odin’s tone in the Observatory as they were scurrying out. Odin even yelled his command at them because of his fury toward Thor.

Even without having actually seen the physical banishment, they knew that the Jotunheim excursion was, at least, serious politically and in Odin’s eyes.

But they are all miffed. When Volstagg wonders how the guard knew to go to Odin, Loki tells them that he told the guard.

(What guard? We know which guard from the deleted scenes, but how did they find out about the guard? Who did they ask and who told them? Why was this a question they even asked? It brings to mind images of, “DANGIT. Who told Odin and saved our lives? GR.”)

Loki inserted a fail-safe that should have stopped them before they were even reached Jotunheim. A fail-safe that would very likely have stopped Thor from being banished and certainly would have avoided the slaughter of over 100 Jotuns and the reigniting of an ancient war. It was Loki’s fail-safe that resulted in them actually surviving the excursion on Jotunheim, because otherwise they would be dead or Laufey’s prisoners.

But instead of understanding why it was a good thing Loki told the guard, or thanking him directly for saving their lives, Volstagg gets upset and Sif instantly turns to Loki and tells him he “must go to the All-Father and convince him to change his mind.”

….Why does the fact that Loki told the guard make Thor’s banishment suddenly his fault? Why does he now need to petition the All-Father, after Sif learned that he told the guard? They did not see it, but Loki actually already tried to stop Thor from being banished and was snarled at. That, I would say, is a significant deterrent to trying to ask again right now. Especially since Odin just did something unusually harsh toward Thor (his favored son) that no one expected. Loki isn’t the favored son, was snarled at when he tried the first time, and knows how enraged Odin was.

Petitioning Odin again, at the moment, is out of the question.

But regardless, I will never understand why they turn on Loki here, as if centuries of friendship are suddenly expunged because… Loki told a guard to tell Odin and made it possible for them to actually survive the ill-fated Jotunheim venture.

Not to mention that everything that Loki said about Thor was true at that moment. He was arrogant, reckless, and dangerous.

Even if the excuse is used that they are upset and looking for a scapegoat, it is absurd that they would turn on Loki and then go as far as to actually believe Laufey’s words and use them against Loki. Laufey is the “enemy” king in their eyes. He is the king of monsters. Yet, suddenly, they are willing to take his words as 100% truth and blame Loki for the Jotuns getting into the Weapon’s Vault? Not to mention that the Jotuns getting in doesn’t even point to Loki except for the single and solitary fact that Loki has magic, though Odin being the culprit for that is another meta for another day.

I will give Volstagg credit that he said, “We should be grateful to him. He saved out lives.”, but it would have been far better if he could have actually said that in Loki’s earshot. I am also grateful that Fandral said, “Loki has always been one for mischief, but you are talking about something else entirely.”

But. This scene still hurts, makes me angry, and is hard to swallow.

Note: It should also be pointed out that Sif asked Loki to bring Thor back despite the number of Jotuns he slaughtered so, clearly, Jotun lives… don’t mean much.]

After Loki fell, Odin said “No.” He looked like he meant it.  He didn’t want Loki to fall.  

Why then did he not pull them back up? I think that he couldn’t. His arm is wavering, they’re swinging around, and then there’s the simple fact that there’s no reason why he wouldn’t have if he could–or, at the very least, no reason why he wouldn’t have pulled Thor up.

Loki realized the situation, I think, and saw that he was going to fall no matter what happened next. And by this point I think he realizes that Thor isn’t going to let go. Loki’s slipping down Gungnir, but considering how usually he can do complicated physical things, he probably could have gotten a better grip if he’d elected to. 

So his choices are to fall involuntarily, quite possibly taking Thor with him (after all, if Odin can’t pull them up, he can’t hold them forever); or to let go.

He doesn’t want an undignified death, falling because Odin couldn’t hold on. Also, remember when he made an illusion and Thor essayed to rescue it? Remember how after that, Loki called him “brother,” a few minutes after saying that he never was his brother? And now, this situation has happened because Thor did the same thing again. Each time, Loki came a little more out of his madness, and now, he does not want Thor to die.

So when he says,  “I could have done it, Father! I could have done it! For you. For all of us,” it’s his goodbye note.

“No, Loki,”–No, you couldn’t have done it? Or no, don’t let go? Loki thought Odin meant the former, but was he right?

And Loki stares at Odin, weeping, and Thor has foresight–”Loki, no!”

Loki falls.

And Odin can pull Thor up.

@smol-overlord Since you are watching this.

I was doing some giffing and basically re-watched Thor for the purpose (like it was a sacrifice, haha), and I just realised something that gives me new heartache.

Look at this gif:

When Thor broke the Bifrost, he and Loki went flying into the air and would have both fallen into the Void if Odin hadn’t caught them. Thor had no idea - he just couldn’t know - that Odin was going to grab Thor’s leg and save both brothers from dying/becoming lost in the space-time continuum. Still, Thor grabbed Gungnir, for which Loki was trying to reach in some desperate attempt to save his life. Thor still wanted to save Loki, after everything that had happened, and Thor didn’t have much hope, but he saw Loki falling underneath him, trying to get a hold of anything, and they both went for the staff, Loki to save himself, Thor to save Loki, even when he had no way of knowing it was even going to work. But fuck, this hurts the man. Thor tried to be there for his little brother when everything was literally and figuratively falling apart around them, and by the Norns, they might both die, but they’ll die holding that staff together and Thor will die trying to save Loki.

I’m okay. I’m not okay.

Loki metaaaa*~

YA KNOW for a kid who just found out he was kidnapped and then has like zero support system, Lokes handled the first half of Thor 1 kinda well?

Thor gets a nice supportive human father figure to help him sort it all out in Selvig, and they have a manly heart-to-heart at the bar. He meets a pretty lady who thinks he’s also pretty, and she’s super interested in his experiences and he’s interested in her experiences.

Loki has his sad mom and zero friends. Frigga says they hid the truth from him so he wouldn’t feel different, but it’s pretty implied that he already feels/felt different and didn’t know why. The scene with the warriors 3 in the healing rooms + them finding out that Loki was coronated support that theory.

I know Brannagh directed this, but damn, that is some Shylock level shit going on, right? People treat you like a villain long enough, and it’s pretty easy to step into the role.

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I sometimes get annoyed when people label Loki “evil”, because if he was really as evil as they like to act as he is, they fail to realize that he could’ve done so much more damage if he wanted to, such as killing both Thor and Jane, or not letting Thor keep his powers and the Mjolnir. This is why I consider Loki to be more of an anti-hero/anti-villain type of character.

[Okay. But. People say that Thor is completely redeemed for what he did because he spent three days on Midgard, learned to appreciate human life, and had the run-in with the Destroyer that resulted in his being rejuvenated and granted Mjolnir back.

And, in contrast, they say that Loki is not redeemed at all for his wrong doings because… he never apologized for them, or some such thing, but, may I ask, how he was supposed to redeem himself when he was never given the opportunity?

Unlike Thor, who encountered ‘sub-par’ life on a different planet and learned that it was worth more than he thought, while realizing he was no longer worthy of Mjolnir and therefore had to change, Loki was… stuck in prison for the rest of his existence without a hope for physical visits from his family.

If everyone wants him to redeem himself for Jotunheim and New York, which, by the way, in Asgardian morality would not have been atrocious because the occupants of both worlds are lesser beings, than he has to be given the opportunity. So far all he has had is a years worth of imprisonment, with no impetus or reason to improve.

And, technically, Loki has had his redemption arc, despite not being given the opportunity, since he assisted Thor with the Svartalfheim plan despite actually not originally being given his promised vengeance (”You fool, you fool. You didn’t listen.”), protected Jane twice including almost dying in the process of saving her, and protected Thor from being killed by Kurse and in the process being stabbed himself.

So. Redemption arc? Yeah. Loki was (a.) never canonically given the chance for one and (b.) has already achieved what would normally be accepted as redemption by acting selfless and protecting Jane and Thor when he was not going to receive anything in return except continued imprisonment (since Thor’s words indicate that Thor had not intended LOKI to tangle with Kurse).]

Over-analysis of the Loki scene in the Thor: Ragnarok teaser trailer

Who: Loki, two warriors who look like they are from Sakaar, and a bunch of people who look like peasants. 

What: Loki and the Sakaarian warriors are opposing one or more enemies who are not visible. Loki whirls his daggers up into the air and then catches them.

When: The warriors and the daggers look like they are from Sakaar, so this seems to be after Loki and Thor return from there. They must have brought assorted allies with them. Some of the statuary beside the path is damaged; likely this is also after Hela has attacked Asgard.

Where: Asgard. A road/pathway. Perhaps a way out of the city.

How/Why: To put it all together, Loki is standing against an enemy, with two Sakaarian warriors for backup, blocking that enemy from continuing down the pathway and harming the Asgardian peasants. The enemy is either tall or in the air, since Loki is looking up slightly; and is formidable, or he wouldn’t bother with tossing his knives to indicate that he is not afraid of him/her. Since Hela is tall, often in the air, and formidable, I think it’s possible that he is facing Hela here.

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About Loki...

I know a lot of people think Thanos tortured him (physically or psychologically- whatever) and other people think Thanos was even the reason he attacked Midgard (Thanos wanted the tesseract, the Chitauri wanted a war, and Loki wanted to stay alive…). People also seem to think Loki is hiding from Thanos (while pretending to be Odin) and that Loki will end up helping the avengers to take him down (so Thanos doesn’t kill him). And I agree with ALL of this.


I really REALLY don’t want Loki to be all “Oh my god I have to help them I need the avengers because Thanos will kill me ohmygod I’m so scared of Thanos you guys have no idea what he’ll do to me if he finds me…!!!” Just no. I don’t want Loki to be broken and scared of him. I mean I want him to have a strong knowledge of what he’s capable of and a strong caution… but I don’t want fear (which is how it always turns out in fics focused on Loki and Thanos). I don’t want flashbacks or panic attacks or Loki hiding behind Thor. I want him to be pissed. Like ??? “This bitch had the nerve to torture me?? Do you KNOW what he did? Do you have ANY IDEA the shit he put me through?!?! Nobody tortures and manipulates me and gets away with it! I’m bloody Loki!!!” Like I want him to WANT to find Thanos. To be EAGER to kill him. I don’t want a broken cowering Loki, I want a vengeful angry badass Loki.

The saddest part abut the red cape is that this is all about Thor again. This is not about Loki. He could imagine a scenario where Sif or Fandral pat his shoulder for slaying their enemies in battle with his illusions or anything else that is about appreciating what and who he is but it´s not. It ´s about Thor´s triumph. He is raising the hammer while he could present any of his own talents. We know he has enough of them but he thinks, and has learned that they won´t be appreciated. It´s not about himself and what he could have archived it´s about Thor. His hammer, his throne, his friends. No one in the audience is cheering for anything “Loki” they are cheering for Thor. Loki only slipped into his clothes. His whole time living there made him think that he does not stand a chance being himself, not in Asgard and not in front of his father. Being Loki has just brought him behind bars, pretending he is like Thor takes pieces of him into freedom again. He gives people what they want and that is Thor, not him. Loki was never enough. Loki is not enough, not even in his own day dreams.


[I know actors, interviewers, and even fans like to make fun of Loki’s helmet, but I just wanted to point out that in-character and in-universe his helmet is not strange or excessive at all. It is not proof that he is a ‘diva’ or more arrogant and egotistical than others. In fact, his helmet is probably considered entirely normal on Asgard, or at least, not out of place.

In the first Thor film, gigantic statues can be spotted sporting horns that are somewhat similar to Loki’s helm in both Thor and The Avengers.

And Odin himself sports both wings and horns on his helmet. Since Thor has wings - one half of Odin’s motifs on his helmet - would it not then make sense that his other son also share one of his motifs?

So yes. Loki is not a diva because of his horns. It is extremely likely that he wears horns because (a.) that is one of Odin’s two symbols on his helmet (and Thor has the wings), and  (b.) horns are seen as a common place (at least in decoration and/or historical figures) helmet style.]

[I love how Loki completely set Heimdall up so that if he was going to rebel and commit treason against Loki’s legal rule, both Loki and Heimdall would know it was 100% intentional on Heimdall’s part.

He challenged him in the Observatory by casually asking, “You have great power, Heimdall. Did Odin ever fear you?” and then caught Heimdall in his own words when Heimdall confirmed that Odin was his king and he was sworn to obey him. Therefore since Loki was his king now the Gatekeeper was, by law and oath, sworn to obey him.

Heimdall walked right in to fully admitting that he was sworn to obey Loki, but then still committed treason.

Also, for the feels, it needs to be noted that the next time we see Loki, after that conversation with Heimdall, he is literally staring at the Bifrost, waiting for Heimdall (and the Warriors) to commit treason and disobey him. He knew it was coming.

anonymous asked:

Hi! I'm just a little curious. Why is Loki chaotic neutral and not chaotic evil in your opinion?

Glad you asked! (this is going to get long)

The good / neutral / evil alignments can basically be broken down like so:

  • good = wants to help other people
  • neutral = self-serving, doesn’t really care about others
  • evil = wants to hurt other people 

the lawful / neutral / chaotic alignments can basically be broken down like so:

  • lawful = obedient, respectful of authority, prefers tradition
  • neutral = respectful of authority within reason, neither obedient nor rebellious
  • chaotic = rebellious, has problems with authority, prefers new ideas

Loki is chaotic because he does what he wants, chooses his own path, has his own agenda, and doesn’t care much about anybody else’s rules or authority. He’s beholden to none, and his duty is foremost to himself. He has no interest in upholding laws, and as a god of change (among other things) he brings novelty (for good or ill) to sweep away traditional values and usher in new ways of thinking and being. This is true both of MCU Loki and the Norse deity.

MCU Loki is neutral (as opposed to evil) because he’s self-centered and not necessarily cruel or malicious. He’s willing to kill people to get what he wants, but he doesn’t derive pleasure from it. Every single time he kills someone in one of the films, he has a very practical reason for it. He tries to commit genocide not necessarily because he hates the Jotnar (he does – he has been conditioned to – and he sees them as inferior), but because he’s trying to prove himself worthy of the throne and capable of protecting Asgard from war. He attacks Earth with the intent not to destroy, but to rule. He kills Kurse out of vengeance. In the deleted scene he tries to kill the guard that Thor hadn’t knocked out because he doesn’t want the guard to raise the alarm and get him and Thor killed. Etc., Etc. Obviously I’m not saying that killing is good or that Loki was unequivocally justified; I’m saying that he always had reasons beyond malice and bloodlust, which is what makes him neutral as opposed to evil.

Easydamus.com gives this definition of a neutral person:

“People who are neutral with respect to good and evil have compunctions against killing the innocent but lack the commitment to make sacrifices to protect or help others. Neutral people are committed to others by personal relationships.”

Does he have compunctions against killing the innocent? Arguably yes: there are several moments in Avengers when Loki hesitates and Thor nearly convinces him to stop what he’s doing. He also states a desire to rule rather than destroy, which suggests that he would like to have someone to rule. Whether or not he has any compunctions against killing innocent people is open to interpretation, and I interpret him as having some. Obviously genocide is a strike against him, but a preemptive strike would have eliminated all chances of the war (which Thor started) escalating into something that would cost thousands of Asgardian lives. As someone raised in a society that viewed Frost Giants as monstrous, lesser beings, he would certainly have valued Asgardian life above Jotun life and made a decision based on that prejudice.

Does he lack the commitment to make sacrifices to protect others? Yes: If Loki were ‘good’ he would have let Thor convince him to call off his attack on Earth and dealt with the consequences from Thanos. If Loki were ‘evil’ he wouldn’t have hesitated, and would have been wholeheartedly committed to Thanos’ cause. As it is, Loki is neutral; he knows he’s not doing the ‘right’ thing, but self-preservation wins out in the end. As someone who has studied him for the past four years, I can also say with absolute certainty that he would never throw himself between a stranger and a bullet… but…

Is he committed to others by personal relationships? Absolutely: …Loki is very self-sacrificing when it comes to people he cares about, and familial bonds are extremely important to him. This is one of the trademark characteristics of a neutral person: they view their close friends and loved ones as extensions of themselves, and therefore any harm done to their friends or loved ones is harm done to them. A ‘good’ person sacrifices himself on behalf of the innocent; an ‘evil’ person doesn’t sacrifice himself for anyone; a ‘neutral’ person sacrifices himself for those who are closest to him because they are part of him.
This is complicated somewhat by the fact that Loki felt betrayed and lied to in Thor and Avengers; he was furious with Odin for not telling him about his heritage, projected a lot of his anger onto Thor (for being the favorite son), and was generally angry as hell. Odin severs all bonds with Loki in TDW ( telling him that his birthright is to die and that Odin would gladly have killed him if Frigga hadn’t put her foot down is sort of difficult to misunderstand ), so that familial loyalty no longer applies to Odin. But he continues to call Thor ‘brother’ and treats him as one ( they’re fighting, sure, but siblings can fight and hate each other and paradoxically still love each other ).
And don’t even get me started on Frigga. He snaps at her, yes, but in the end she’s his mother, and her death eviscerates him. He saves Thor from Kurse ( whether or not that’s incidental is open to interpretation ), but he’s willing to die to get revenge for his mother’s death. He couldn’t die to save her; dying in her name is the best alternative. An ‘evil’ character would never get himself killed on someone else’s behalf. Not for another person, not to avenge the loss of another person, not for anyone.

So… tl;dr, Loki is neutral because he is, above all else, selfish. He doesn’t hurt people just because he can or because he wants to, but he doesn’t actively help people either. People – those who aren’t close to him – are incidental. Sometimes they’re useful, sometimes they’re in his way, and he acts accordingly. He doesn’t hate people, he just doesn’t really care about them. His own personal freedoms are more important to him than the personal freedoms of anyone else. The exceptions are the people he cares about, because they are extensions of him; he’ll fight and die for the people he loves, but he won’t die for random innocents, and he won’t fight for higher ideals. 

Role Reversals and Defied Conventions: Thor’s Subversions of the Superhero Genre

Abstract: This analysis seeks to explore how the Thor film is subverts and reverses many standard conventions of the Superhero Origin Story film in relation to its protagonist, Thor, and its antagonist, Loki. The specific conventions discussed are: the hero being socially isolated, the hero discovering a previously unknown past or heritage, the hero developing new powers and responsibilities, and the hero within a battle of good versus evil.

The analysis in its entirety with accompanying gifs follows under the break.

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Did Thor Know?

Ok, so, sitting here watching Thor The Dark World with my mother after a while of not watching (I’ve been trying to get myself back into the watching, to get my sense of the character again for writing purposes and such and because damn it, I love that lil magic Jotun).

It’s coming to the end where Thor is speaking to ‘Odin’ of his plans. Thor’s finished, and about to leave and Odin speaks. “I cannot give you my blessing. Nor can I wish you good fortune.”

Thor: “I know” and he turns, and begins to leave.

“If I were proud of the man my son had become….even that, I could not say. It would speak only from my heart.”

Now…..the way Thor turns while/after Odin says this; I always thought the look on Thor’s face meant something….that he knew, or that there was just something…subtextual there.


My mothers theory….is Thor knew it was Loki. From that moment, and possibly have enough inkling before…


Because Odin’s shown how much of a total douche bag he can be, what he’s willing to risk, to give up, to challenge, all for 'pride, vanity’, his stubbornness and so on. He’s shown his true colors. So Thor has been given enough to doubt through the events of Thor 2 (maybe things before, not sure) the king Odin is, as well as the father he is.

And with that, he's seen just how pissed and furious Odin was…

Odin would have thrown him in his cell the moment he returned, WITH the warriors. He gave off that attitude, and Thor (when plotting their escape) said so.

Odin would have condemned Thor to the same punishment as Loki, or something of the like.

He would not have praised the results of Thor’s actions anymore than he praised Loki before he pushed him to suicide.

But there 'Odin’ is. Praising him, thanking him. Implying he was proud, and maybe 'speaking only from his heart’ was implying love (“Never doubt that I love you”).

The look Thor gave, to me, was him realizing completely.. That is not the words of Odin. That is not Odin…


And so he says, “Thank you.”

And Loki as Odin, “Go….my son.” The hesitation before saying 'son’, in my mind, is a way of confirming that Loki knew Thor knew, and they are both accepting it as Thor parts.

Hell, Thor just finished stating “Loki understood rule as I never will.” He said, in that, that Loki would be a better King. Maybe at that moment, it was all making sense. What Loki tried to do, even if extremely and in the way Thor had just learned was wrong (in Thor) was FOR Asgard, as well as other things.

Maybe he was realizing and accepting Odin was no longer fit.

And maybe in that last moment, he could have just given Loki his blessing.

I may be oh-so wrong, but no matter if I am, it is now my headcanon, as well as this being a belief as well of what could have happened to Odin. This is now how I see the movie ending.

That is all, I am finished.

[You know how some argue that Thor’s terms for letting Loki out of prison were actually reasonable and there was totally something substantial in it for Loki because he was promised vengeance on the being that killed his mother?

Well, actually, he was not going to get that either until Kurse turned out to be too powerful for even Thor and Loki, not according to plan, stepped in and saved Thor + killed Kurse.

Think about it. Thor promises Loki vengeance upon the one that killed Frigga and afterward his cell again for thousands of years.

But that is okay. At least Loki gets to be satisfied with avenging Frigga’s death, right? Wrong.

The Svartalfheim plan turned out to be tricking Malekith and Kurse into thinking Loki turned on Thor, having Malekith draw out the Aether, surprising Malekith by Loki cancelling his illusions, and destroying the Aether via Thor’s lightening. If the plan went south, which it did since the Aether is an Infinity Gem and cannot be so easily destroyed, Thor was the one who was supposed to, on his own, take out Kurse.

Why do I say this?

Because, when running to and kneeling beside Loki’s body after Kurse is killed by the activated void bomb, Thor says, “You fool, you fool. You didn’t listen.”

Loki was not supposed to tangle with Kurse, apparently, because every other part of the plan he pulled off as instructed/plotted. It seems, that Thor was to be the one to take down Kurse, likely due to Kurse’s almost insurmountable brute strength. Loki didn’t listen, and stepped into the fray between Thor and Kurse.

But where does that leave Loki in the scheme of things, and in the terms of the original plan/agreement? Assisting Thor in saving the world by helping him escape Asgard and dupe Malekith, as well as dispatching Malekith’s men, but getting no personal vengeance on Kurse, as was promised, and being returned to prison for eternity anyway. Yeah; ouch.

There are 500,000 reasons Thor: The Dark World hurts. This is just one of them.]

It must have been such an uncanny thing for Loki, when he became king in Thor. I’m not talking about when Frigga had him given Gungnir; I’m talking about right after that, when he left her and Odin with it in his hand, and walked alone to the throneroom, and alone all the way to the throne, with just Einherjar around. And then he would have walked up the steps to the throne, and still nobody really was around, and he just sat down on it. It would have seemed so much to him like he was just pretending–you don’t really become a king alone, just some morning, do you? But he had.

I’d like to discuss the costuming of Loki a little bit more. 

Loki chooses his clothing to exacting ends.

 Let‘s look at his hands and arms here. Loki is the only one we see in the Asgard universe who covers and protects more than just the outside of his lower arm. Others have armor that wraps around the top or presenting side to an enemy. It is meant to deflect and protect from sword and axe swings. A warrior can protect themselves and push an attacking enemy away with the metal on their arms. This protection is not often seen on the underside of the arm, nor below the top of the wrist.

Loki does not use sword or  axe or spear during battles. Loki uses knives to throw and magic to toss. He carries no shield like Sif does, no sword like Fandral and Volstagg nor mace like Hogun. Everything Loki battles with must be carried in his hands, ie: his knives or Loki must have his hand ready to fling a curse at an enemy with little to no notice. 

His hands are the most valuable weapon Loki has. And Loki understands this. The armor on his arms wrap around further, nearly touching on the underside. He must protect not only the outside facing part of his arm, but the inside section also. Perhaps he carries his throwing daggers there. The arm covers reach past  but do not constrict, where his wrist connects with his arm, well beyond what other warriors wear.This would allow greater protection to his wrists, keeping them protected from harm. Since his wrist is not constricted, he has a greater freedom of movement than if his armor came just to the end of his arm. If the arm covers came down to just where his wrist begins, each time he would need to flip his hand backwards, he would hit the edge of the armband, hindering his movements. The extended length allows him that extra movement. 

And lastly, the half-moon curve covering his hand, no one else has this feature. Loki has finely tuned his armor to afford the greatest protection for his form of fighting. Nothing he does is without though as to its practical nature.

Other Asgardian’s wear body armor, Loki wear arm and hand armor. 

Someday I’ll talk about why Loki has neck protection on the one side, wears a special sword carrying belt, but no sword is ever seen, and why he wears that long overcoat. Speed, protection, agility and deflection.

While on a frame-by-frame through Thor 2011, for the sake of icons/screencaps (and, because, who doesn’t want to analyze a movie with Loki in it frame-by-frame? ;D Yes. I am that much of a Loki fan.) I realized something.

When Thor told Loki that, “This is madness!” at the end of the movie during their fight in the Observatory, Loki probably wondered if he was going mad.

Thor says, “Loki, this is madness!” and Loki’s only response is, “Is it?”

He probably wouldn’t know. He probably feels like he has been insane since he found out he was a Jotun. He isn’t sure what is sane or not anymore. “Am I insane? Am I? Am I!?!”  might be what is going through his mind as he asks, ‘Is it?’.

Am I insane? Because I could not tell you if I am or not. Am I mad? Because I feel like I’ve been mad since I discovered I was a monster and our father took me for political gain. I’ve felt insane since my life shattered and slipped through my fingers and your friends betrayed me and I realized I never had authority even when I didn’t think I was a vile, monstrous spawn of Laufey.

Loki probably actually wondered if he was mad and probably thought he was. Is it madness? He asks, because I thought this was what you/Thor wanted to do just three days ago! Is it only madness when I do it? Or am I actually mad?

MCU: So Did Literally Everyone Else In Asgard Know Loki Was Adopted, Or What?

Okay, I’m exaggerating, but only a bit! 

So we all know the story. Odin sets out to kill himself some frost giants and, along the way, finds one of his very own, conveniently in non-blue packaging. He takes the baby back to Asgard and convinces his wife that they should adopt him. Further, they decide to not tell anyone the baby is a frost giant, because “no one likes frost giants and let’s give this kid a break” (I may be paraphrasing). Okay, so then what? How did Odin and Frigga convince an entire planet that Loki was naturally conceived and born from the royal couple? 

I don’t think they did. At least not with the Asgardians who were adults, living in or around the palace at the time. Let’s look at the options. 

Lie About the Pregnancy

So there are a few options with this one, the first of which is based on the medieval and early modern practice of “lying in”. Basically, women (of the higher classes) would retire to their bedchamber (or wherever they were going to give birth) a few weeks to months before they were due. This was to ensure they didn’t injure themselves or the baby.

The idea is that Frigga would simply announce she was pregnant and sequester herself in her room. Once a good amount of time had passed, she would present Loki as Asgard’s newest prince. This explanation is the one I’ve heard the most. but, there are a few problems with it.

Firstly, even if it would work, what about her servants? Frigga, as a queen, would need maids, a cook, midwives, ladies-in-waiting etc. to attend her. There would be dozens of people buzzing around her all the time. They would notice she wasn’t actually pregnant, yes? And that she didn’t actually go into labor. The answer to this problem is to either buy their silence, or use magic to make it look like she is actually pregnant. But, assuming either of those options work, there are two problems. 

Now it’s hard to say what Asgardian birthing customs are like, or even how Asgardian pregnancy works. But assuming it’s more or less like (medieval European) humans (because that’s where the writers are pulling inspiration from, largely), we can assume that Frigga should have been noticeably pregnant before she locked herself away to make ready for birth. It’s going to look strange if all of a sudden, Odin and Frigga are all “surprise! baby’s on the way”. Short of some sort of deus ex machina spell that can permanently alter the memories of an entire planet  (which is highly unlikely) people would know something was up. Furthermore, even if that worked, babies grow. Loki may have been a newborn when Odin brought him to Asgard, but after they faked a pregnancy (or at least, the tail end of one) he would no longer look like a newborn.


The second option is to use magic to either fake the pregnancy or change everyone’s memory so that they think Frigga was pregnant. But as I pointed out before, a spell of that magnitude (in the latter case) is not only highly unlikely, but if it did happen, well, it would feel like the writers were cheating. It’s a cop out. Further, there’s very little evidence to support that anyone in the MCU has the ability to alter reality that drastically–not Odin, not Frigga, and not even Loki (when he get’s older). 

And they can’t take the time to fake a pregnancy with magic because, as I said, babies grow. There’s only a short window of time before Loki stops passing as a newborn. 

So what probably happened then?

Odin and Frigga admitted that Loki was adopted, just not that he’s a jotun. At least to the people who need to know: those adults whose lives are intimately wrapped up with the monarchy. It would explain why, at least from Loki's perspective, he’s always felt as if he were treated differently from his brother. 

It’s definitely possible once people were told, they were sworn to secrecy (with bribes, threats, or appeals to loyalty). I doubt many people talked about it openly, since neither Loki nor Thor (nor any of their friends) seemed to know what was up. But it is definitely impossible for people (and I mean those who live and work in the royal palace) to not know.