HBO - PxS foreshadowing?
I find it interesting at all that they have thrown Petyr and Sansa together for a ‘candidate’ to vote on at all if they weren’t even CONSIDERING going there.
I hope they do because I want to watch the fandom have a EPIC MELTDOWN. Sansa actually CHOOSING Petyr would be fucking fantastic and I will swim in the tears of the super fans losing their shit.
If I were Sophie, I would hope to heaven and hell that they do this or her character is going to be nothing more than a side piece for Jon and then when Arya finally reunites (and she will I believe), Sansa will be even pushed back MORE to the side. I can’t imagine they would romantically pair up Jon and Sansa. It just seems too contrived for D&D and GRRM.
If the fandom had their way, Petyr would have been dead years ago. But nooooo, GRRM and D&D have kept him around because his arc isn’t completed yet. I don’t believe his real endgame has been fully revealed either (definitely NOT in the books at least). Petyr has been so damn shady since day one, it would be stupid to reveal his all of his secrets. I still believe he has an ace up his sleeve somewhere. He wants Sansa, that I believe and that he genuinely cares for her. If Petyr has found an equal in any woman, it’s her. Sansa (to the horror of the fandom) is becoming very much like him, and the way he thinks and deals with things. She’s very savvy.
I do think Sophie makes a good point when answering about who is a good match for Sansa. Petyr and her are more alike than people want to admit. Yeah, she’s not the manipulating sociopath that he can be… but it’s taken him YEARS to get that way. They’re both innocents that got dealt a huge and harsh dose of reality. They were dreamers and that has been burned away making them both hardened and wary of everyone. Petyr’s taught her to use her best asset, her mind to empower herself. Now after Joffrey and Ramsay, Sansa will be suspicious of any man now. She doesn’t need them. The rose colored glasses are off and that romantic dream is dead and gone for her.
I think she wants to believe Petyr didn’t know about Ramsay (of course Book!Baelish would never…unless Harry turns out to be a sadistic fuck… and this bs with Ramsay was kind of a strange foreshadowing in the book since Petyr is going to wed her to Harry to get the Vale in order to get Winterfell back. He could be misjudging Harry like he did Ramsay thinking Sansa can/will play him but then he ends up losing that wager with Harry abusing her….and of course Harry WILL die, of that I’m certain. Petyr has no use for him when he has the Vale and then Winterfell within his reach…but that’s for another discussion).
Petyr gives her the “I told you so….well, we’re fucked now” at the declaration of Jon as KITN. Sophie talks about how Petyr could still be her best ally. That basically all bets are off and she is open to working with Petyr, or that “pretty picture” is starting to look really good now that she isn’t the one the North is rallying behind. I think Petyr would have pushed or declared for her as QITN until Mormont spoke and praised Jon.
So, now, Sansa knows Petyr has been playing the game to get him and her to the top. He loves her (so he says… I believe him but he could still be placating her). She needed to know that Ramsay was a miscalculation on his part and she suffered for it, but he was trying to get Winterfell back the best way he knew how and make her QITN/Wardeness. He tells her in the crypt to basically play Ramsay/you have him wrapped around your finger/he’s already fallen for you. That tells me he knew nothing about Ramsay. Ramsay played him good. PEtyr thought Sansa would have taken charge until he came back with Vale forces. Nope. Horrible fuck up and now Petyr needs to win her back somehow.
Putting his cards on the table like that, telling Sansa about his pretty picture, that SHE was a part of his goal. That he made decisions/ took action to bring her with him, make her queen…take her to the end…. She needed to know that BEFORE Ramsay but now, if she believes him, Sansa may forgive him a little or at least accept he fucked up and didn’t know about Ramsay and didn’t purposefully put her there to be abused. That Petyr DID want her, and did not want her harmed. She trusted him for the most part. Believed that he would give her the North. He came through with the Vale and basically did not ask for anything in return for saving her and Jon’s ass. I fully expected him to ask for her hand as payment for the Vale army. He didn’t.
If D&D want to keep it interesting… and they love controversy, they’ll keep PxS together. Sansa’s come a long way to take a back seat to Jon. They’ve shown enough in regards to her distrust, annoyance, and arguing with Jon. She may be angry at Petyr but she is clearly LISTENING to him. She sent Brienne to Riverrun based on Petyr’s word. He declared for House Stark, meaning he was declaring for her when he didn’t rise and support Jon like everyone else. Sansa is House Stark, QITN, Wardeness and Lady of Winterfell… the rightful heir. Not Jon. Her face shows it.
Both Sophie and Aidan seem okay with it. D&D hasn’t crushed the idea and are now even kind of lowkey shipping /foreshadowing it. The three MAJOR players are Dany/Jon/Cersei with Varys and Petyr still pulling the strings (imo)… but then you have Petyr…not Varys, not Dorne, Ironborn, Olenna… but Littlefinger WITH Sansa no less.
If the fans are to be believed, they say Sansa’s look was of fear and trepidation that Petyr will do something to hurt Jon, etc, etc. It seems HBO and D&D just might have a different direction instead. It’s logical to pair Tyrion with Dany, Cersei and whomever supports her LOL, Jon and someone from the North that supports him so Mormont is a logical choice since she stands up for him… then you have Petyr and Sansa. Sansa really hasn’t been paired romantically with any man for years. Yeah, you had the ‘first crush’ on psycho Joffrey, Sandor, Loras, Tyrion was nice to her… but nothing even compares to the time devoted to Sansa with Petyr. D&D and GRRM have spent a lot of time developing their relationship, especially where Sansa’s character grows the most, her learning how to play the game and save herself. From essentially season 3 to now, you see Petyr manipulating to get Sansa with him and out of KL and getting the power back in Winterfell/North.
Since S4, Sansa has no other romantic interest in any men. She is warming to Petyr, playing him, enough to spar with him, trusting him that he will not let harm befall her, etc. S5 might has given a slight hint that she could possibly be attracted to him after all this time (crypt scene… even the semi-flirting sparing with him in the inn about the ale). Petyr smiles at her baiting him for a fight. Had he revealed his game plan then before dragging all the way to Moat Cailin before telling her his plan, given her a chance to decide which way to go, etc, instead of him making the marriage arrangement without her consent until she kind of had no choice but to trust him and that desire to take vengeance and get her home back once and for all.
I can’t see them spending this much time on them together, to just have her kick Petyr out of the North now that Jon is king. I’m not saying they HAVE to become romantic either. It just seems like an awful waste of relationship/character development if nothing else happens. Petyr lays his cards out for her knowing she can use it against him (which still remains to be see IF he’s being honest with her - “keep your foes confused - if they don’t know who you are or what you want” - kind of hard to believe that Petyr would disregard his own wisdom from YEARS of playing the game to throw it all away when he could be so close to his endgame).
Yeah, this was long winded of me…. but I’m realllllly hoping they keepy PxS together. Their relationship is crazy, interesting, full of fire, suspicious, shady, power hungry, weird sexual tension, and their dynamic is GREAT. You just don’t know where they are going or what’s going to happen between them and that’s makes good story telling. THey play off each other so damn well. They are more interesting together. And Petyr being the troublemaking shit stirrer he is, you know it’s going to be full of drama.
Here’s to HBO seeing that fucking with fandom is one of the best things they could do. This pairing is heated love/hate it conversation around the water cooler. This is one of the more controversial pairings on the show. Shame to cut it short when it could make for good television.