legacy mantle

anonymous asked:

You know what gets me. Robin was the name Dick's mom called him. The Robin colors are his family's colors. I like to think of Robin symbolizing a parents (particularly a mother's) love/protection that strengthened Dick. Now imagine Damian finding out that meaning and suddenly he realizes what Dick truly gave him, his family's love/protection. I imagine he'd be especially defensive/proud of Robin because Dick trusts him w/that privilege and how Dick wants him to feel a part of HIS family too.

Yes! A lot of people forget that Robin wasn’t just some sunny name Dick chose, it had special meaning to him personally. They don’t know that by taking that second name, he is reclaiming the love of his parents and using the goodness they taught him for good. It’s one of the reasons Dick was so incensed when Bruce nonchalantly handed over Dick's  Robin costume/name because it wasn’t Bruce’s to give away. Bruce, like everyone else, had forgotten that to Dick it wasn’t just a title, it was a personal promise.

Once Dick gets to know Jay it’s cool of course but there’s this very symbolic scene right before Jay died where Dick hands over the original costume as a show of good faith that Jason has earned Robin and is worthy of Mary Grayson’s blessing. I’d like to think this little conversation/explanation happens to all the Robins as they understand just what they’re trying to live up to. It’s something that helps Dick bond with his successors and helps to keep the spirit of his mother alive in such a simple way. As long as there’s a Robin taking to the sky, her love will never die.

 Damian takes this promise very seriously as he takes all his given titles. He’s very big on honoring legacies being worthy so I can imagine Damian trudging out to the cemetery where the Grayson’s are resting and quietly explaining that he is the newest Robin. He admits that he’s not like the other Robins, like Dick, but that he will do his very best to uphold the good name he has been blessed with and will do his best to honor her name. She raised a good child, one who could fly and light up the world with his smile, it’s now Damian job to see that such a tradition continues, even if it’s in his own unique way. 

anonymous asked:

ok hypothetically, bruce dies like actually dies and not dc dies, how would each of the batkids react?

Depends heavily on when Bruce dies and how far each is into their own arc. Like, Dick is at the point where he’s long come to terms with Bruce, but Jason and Damian could differ depending on when Bruce dies. Tim got a pile up of grief, so his reaction in canon was exacerbated by that. 

If two kids are going to fixate on the Batman mantle, it’ll probably be Damian and Cass, while Dick considers it somewhat his duty to pick up Bruce’s place in the family but. 

Realistically, Batman should die with Bruce, end of story. Batman should become a myth again. Batman isn’t a mantle like Superman or another hero. Robin and Batgirl are the Batfamily’s legacy and I think those are much better mantles to pass down. Batman is Bruce’s trauma and grief made manifest, and it should never be passed down, and while DC has business reasons to obviously want to keep Batman alive in such cases, and a certain agenda with Damian and Jon as the ‘future Batman and Superman’ (honestly Damian becoming Batman is the opposite of where is arc is logically heading tbh), realistically Bruce has already recognized in canon that Nightwing is the idealized version and Nightwing’s rep in the DCU would probably have reached a point where he’s held in more in-universe esteem anyway (Damian eyeing up the Nightwing mantle is something I could see happening). 

I like the swapped trend the Batfam has currently of legacy mantles being the ones kids start out as, and then they forge their own identities later. Whereas with some of the other kid sidekicks you get that the other mantle is the Real one and the kids are just ‘xxx in training’. (Superman > Superboy, Flash > Kid Flash, etc). 

This probably went off point but I’m not really one to write out angst reactions of grief and prefer to discuss the meta fallout of Bruce’s death.

anonymous asked:

You ever thought what name Damian would take when he out grows robin? Not taking up another's title bit his own because that poor boy needs to get out of multitude of parent figures shadow and flourish as himself. He keeps feeling like he has to be Batman or the Heir to the Demon Head and that is too much stress for anyone.

Myself, I’ve started to imagine villains calling him Mockingbird cause one ) he’s part of a long bird history two) I really want him to master both his sass and his mimicry skills as a double wamming and three) to live up to the saying it’s a sin to kill a mockingbird

I answered an ask about Damian feeling ‘in shadows’/taking up legacy mantles before but LITERALLY MOCKINGBIRD WAS THE NAME I THOUGHT TOO IF HE EVER WENT SOLO. Though not for any of the reasons you mentioned (though way cooler than mine) more like…mocking death? Mocking bruce and dick’s and the fam’s ‘normal’ style? I think those were it I don’t remember my reason haha but I loved my reason even if it was lame haha.

Also, I read it in this super hella fic that’s one of my all time faves and loved it, so. That too haha. 

anonymous asked:

It makes perfect sense because Dick gave Damian something more then any mantle/legacy ever could, unconditional love. Remember Damian did not respect/like Dick initially either. But Dick continued to care and respect Damian on a level no one ever had before and Damian learned how to be a better person through that. Tim did not believe Damian deserve to be saved like that and held Damian's abusive past against him (to be fair Damian kept trying to kill him) and never believed he was good enough.

again why is Tim the snub? why is he, who’s best friend is Lex Luthor’s clone, holding blood, and an abusive past over Damian, again he fought HARD for Spoiler, who’s dad is a villain, he’s friends with and close to Cass both of who’s parents are murderers, it doesn’t make sense for Tim to have this hang up, Dick however did express doubts about Cass, and doubts about Helena Bertinelli before Damian 

anonymous asked:

if you had to introduce Tim Drake after Jason died/retired from Robin, what would you do?

I ultimately prefer Steph following Jason as her origin actually lines up really well following Jason’s death, but if I had to introduce Tim as Robin and not what I’ve been toying with in an AU…

Give him an actual connection to crime, not just an attachment to Gotham’s vigilantes. With Tim’s background it just emphasizes his classist origin to have him disconnected from crime and the crusade like that.

A lot of people like the ‘Batman needs a Robin’ but that honestly works better on a meta level. Yes, Batman works better with a partner but tying his mental health into dependency on a young unrelated teenager is…a bit cringe. It works better if the kid is older, 17 or 18, rather than the age they wanted to introduce Robin. Dick had his own reasons for being in the fight, and Jason too (despite the cringe factor there) and both were ultimately in Bruce’s custody.

Another issue is that modern comics are willing to kill kids in a way the old comics never did. If you have Jason being beaten and blown up, Steph tortured to death and Damian stabbed through the heart, you have lost the suspension of disbelief necessary to justify a very young child being Batman’s partner purely for his mental health.

‘When will you realize I’m not Jason Todd’ is victim blaming justification and whenever it’s held up to justify Tim following Jason by fandom I cringe. Jason being Jason did not get him killed. Even if you generously say that he disobeyed Batman…literally every Robin does.

If Dick or Tim had been there in Jason’s place they would have done the same thing–try to save the person’s life–and been in the same situation. All it takes is being separated from Batman at the wrong moment and they could just as easily die. We’ve seen it happen since.

This is rambling off my point here is me actually answering your question:
- Tim’s ambiguous mental disorder would be actual canon
- His obsession with Robin would have led to an early interest in solving crime
- instead of taking photos he would actually go out to try and solve crimes and tip off police
- he would eventually start trying to help Batman without barging into his home and claiming Robin was needed.
- there would be months where Batman tries to stop him and keep him safe
- Tim would eventually casually reveal he knows who Batman is, upping the ambiguity of whether this kid is going to ultimately help or hinder
- Tim as a tech based vigilante would be emphasized and he might start working with Oracle, who tries to direct him like she later does with Cass
- eventually he would naturally be pulled into the family logically because he, like Steph, would be out there not taking no for an answer
- would he get the Robin mantle? Maybe but that’s a marketing decision not a logical character one. Personally the need to make mantles legacy has become compulsive to the point of ridiculousness and is now added to with a birthright element that I detest. All I care about is that Tim is there and makes sense and that his origin is detached from both victim blaming and excessive classism and could theoretically be adapted without hinging on other characters so much.


(There are no Ultron spoilers in this piece).

Joss Whedon doesn’t understand Steve Rogers. That’s not news. Lots of people think Steve Rogers — and as an extension of Steve Rogers, Captain America  — is boring. That’s also not news, though it continues to boggle me. Captain America is not self-righteous nor a goody-goody nor incapable of fun nor does he take himself too seriously, though it’s easy (and lazy) to interpret him that way. I get it. I do. I just don’t agree.

Captain America is important to me. Not just Steve (though I love him) or Bucky (whose face I might tattoo on my own face at some point, if they can ever get his character design consistent) or Sam (who is an inspired choice for the mantle, frankly). It’s not just America Chavez or Eli Bradley, though I adore them both. Captain America as a legacy, as a concept, as an aspiration is important to me. And so Joss Whedon’s total lack of understanding, and the fandom’s occasional dismissal of him, cuts me to the quick.

The thing about taking a man who “died” in WWII and putting him on a modern screen is that it’s hard to parse exactly what kind of trauma he’s been through, especially in a rotating and ever-increasing cast of characters. Something will always be lacking. That’s understandable, and in most cases it is what it is. But I think the most egregious thing lacking from Joss Whedon’s portrayal of Steve Rogers is that trauma, that vital and horrible thing that turned Steve from a kid who threw himself at a war to a man who doesn’t know how to do anything else.

The story of Captain America (any Captain America, not just Steve), more than any other superhero legacy mantle, is the story of a person who has taken a trauma and decided how it will define them. There is no argument in the lives of various Captains America that trauma is something that can be shucked off like a husk; instead, they’re about control. This is what happened to me. This is what I am doing with it. That’s the magic. That’s the sparkle. That is the thing I needed to read as a teenager muddling at being an adult in college, coping with the trauma of abuse and the remnants an eating disorder and one monster of an anxiety disorder. I needed reminding that trauma does not unmake a hero; rather, trauma is and can be the thing that creates one.

I think a lot about Bucky Barnes when I think about this. I think about how Bucky is beloved by women in particular, especially since Captain America: The Winter Soldier. I wonder if it has to do with feeling silenced; with feeling a lack of agency, even if and as we fight; with feeling puppeted around by what we should or must be in order to be the version of ourselves someone else is insisting on.

There are sometimes arguments about whether Bucky’s a hero or a villain, whether he’s a victim or so far from himself that the only thing left of him is a weapon. These arguments really only happen around the MCU Bucky, tbh. And they’re halfhearted at best, because no one truly believes that Bucky Barnes deserves any fate other than redemption, though he’s committed atrocities that would infuriate and horrify us if we were to list them.

I read the arc where Bucky becomes Captain America in the comics with my heart thumping heavily in places it didn’t normally thump — the joint of my thumb, the base of my spine, the inner parts of my wrists. Because Bucky could only have become Captain America through the facts of his trauma: what they made of him, and what he made of them.

Anyone can be him. Rather, anyone who is willing to be the best version of themselves – or to try, even if they fail – can be Captain America. It’s not the best version of yourself that makes you worthy of the mantle, because the best version of yourself is always temporary. It’s the trying.

I like to remember that, while I am trying.