laurence blood

Vicar Amelia’s dialogue before triggering the boss fight

I haven’t seen this posted anywhere yet (even though it’s bound to have been done before), and I had it recorded, so I thought I might as well put it here

Seek the Old Blood. Let us pray, let us wish, to partake in communion. Let us partake in communion, and feast upon the Old Blood. Our thirst for blood satiates us, soothes our fears. Seek the Old Blood, but beware the frailty of men. Their wills are weak, minds young. The foul beasts will dangle nectar and lure the meek into the depths. Remain wary of the frailty of men. Their wills are weak, minds young. Were it not for fear, death would go unlamented.

anonymous asked:

I have a question of a little detail i never seen explained or discussed. One of the brain fluid dropped by the patient of the research all say this:"Once, a young girl had an older brother who was determined to become a doctor, and so she wilfully became his patient. etc... Who are the brother and the sister? Laurence and Maria? Laurence discover the blood and given it to Maria and this is the start of the scism from byrgenwerth and foundation of the healing churcs?

Okay so, this is the unfortunate reply that I accidentally deleted a few seconds after I typed it.

So here we go, I’m re-writing it today.

“Greyish amoeba-shaped brain fluid. Wobbles and bounces.

Extracted from a patient whose head expanded until that was all that they were.

In the early days of the Healing Church, the Great Ones were linked to the ocean, and so the cerebral patients would imbibe water, and listen for the howl of the sea. Brain fluid writhed inside the head, the initial makings of internal eyes.

Once, a young girl had an older brother who was determined to become a doctor, and so she wilfully became his patient. In the end, this led to their encounter with the Eldritch Truth, for which they considered themselves blessed.

We fail to realize our own latent potential, until the moment it is lost, and we sense its absence. Ironically, this is the very nature of insight, like the moment one licks one’s own blood, only to be startled by its sweetness.“ [Brain Fluid]

I think it’s safe to say that the sister in question is Adeline or any of the female patients in the research hall since they are those involved in the brain fluid quest. There is no proof, in canon, that Laurence even knew who Maria was and depending on who you ask, Amelia is the best candidate to fill up the role of Laurence’s sister or daughter (there was a theory on Reddit discussing this possibility a while ago). No clue about who the brother could be. But my money isn’t on Laurence or anyone we know about, in all honesty.

There is also no concrete evidence that Maria was a student of Byrgenwerth at any point and that is why it always puzzles me when people describe her as such. I am not saying that it’s not plausible, just that I am surprised by the sheer number of theories taking this as a fact. In my head, hunters and scholars don’t mix. The line between the two groups gets a bit blurred when it comes to Healing Church members such as Yurie and Edgar but I’m getting sidetracked here, sorry.

The Laurence/Willem schism per se is a rather complex matter because isn’t really clear what the real difference between the two schools of thought is.

Yes, we can simplify things saying that…

  • Laurence = let’s use the blood.
  • Willem = let’s not use the blood and let’s find other ways to obtain Insight.

…except for the fact that it isn’t true. Willem’s students did use the blood. Quite OFTEN, actually:

Liquid medicine concocted at Byrgenwerth. Calms the nerves.
Those who delve into the arcane fall all-too-easily to madness, and thick human blood serves to calm the frayed nerves of these inquisitive minds. Naturally, this often leads to a reliance on blood ministration. [Sedative]

But at the same time it’s absolutely true that Willem wasn’t fond of such practice:

Provost Willem would have been proud of Caryll’s runes, as they do not rely upon blood in any measure. [Rune Workshop Tool]

Willem’s reasoning sounds more like that of a religious figure perpetuating a dogmatic doctrine than that of a scientist if you ask me. Even the use of the word ‘betray’ isn’t something I would expect from a man of science bidding farewell to a former pupil who just happens to have different ideas. Especially when what is being ‘betrayed’ is not a code of ethics (because let’s face it, Byrgenwerth has none! XD) but what sounds like Willem’s own set of rules.

We can all agree that Willem offered Laurence some good advice and that being prudent is always a good way to approach things we do not understand but the way this concept is worded (in the form of an ‘adage’) makes it sound very dogmatic.

bunnyismybestie  asked:

What are your head canons with Martyr Logarius?

OKAY LET’S GET THIS DONE, sorry for the wait, Bunny TwT

First of all I want to say that I firmly believe Logarius was not designed with the idea of him being the leader of the Executioners. Most of the optional bosses and areas in the game feel like content that was created before the story was completely defined by the developers and got partially scrapped. Yes, I’m looking at you suspicious fade to black that looks a lot like a deleted cutscene that was supposed to play after the activation of the Altar of Despair! …but my headcanons are, of course, based on what we currently see in the game and on my idea that the Healing Church took over an already existent cult, which once again would explain why all the big events took place in the course of Laurence’s lifetime (according to my other theory :P). He did not build all the cathedrals overnight, just redecorated them with more accurate representations of the ‘Gods’ who were Great Ones from the start.

This religion and its institution, which I’m simply going to call ‘the Church’,  were part of the legacy of the Pthumerians the same way Cainhurst was.


This, would also explain why Gascoigne and Viola’s music box plays a song dedicated to a Pthumerian god-child. Just like many other aspects of Yharnamite culture, that particular piece of music was handed down across the centuries untill the humans adopted it as a traditional, ancient song (perhaps for the same reason why they named their city after a long dead queen bearing a name with classic roots?). Its original significance was lost, not only to humans but to the Pthumerian descendants themselves, in a similar way to how the Elves in the Dragon Age setting don’t know a single thing about their own history and traditions after centuries of slavery.

So, we finally get to Logarius! Who is he? A Pthumerian, for sure, and probably a member of the not-so-healing Church. He and his executioners were the military force of the chantry of the time the same way Ludwig’s hunters will later be for the Healing Church. The Executioners were not Vileblood Hunters at the time, because well, the Vilebloods didn’t exist before someone Laurence brought the Old Blood to Cainhurst, and they accepted both Pthumerians and humans in their ranks. I imagine the two races living side by side back then, the same way they do (though not that peacefully) when our hunter arrives in Yharnam and encounters tons of enemies that I believe to be Pthumerians or at least, hybrids, such as the Church Giants, the Snatchers and of course, Logarius himself who even wields the exact same weapon as the Pthumerian Elder we fight in the dungeons. 

The Chapel Dweller is PROBABLY a Pthumerian too, one of the very few “sane” ones. (And by sane I mean non-hostile :P)

The Sinister Pthumeru Ihyll Root Chalices description reads:

The bell-ringing woman appears to be a mad Pthumerian.
The Pthumerian monarch was traditionally a woman who assumed a name with classical roots.

If Chime Maidens are considered _mad_ this means that not all Pthumerians are like them, or at least were. Am I right? XD

Long story short, Logarius was this Pthumerian dude who used to lead a heroic crusaders-like army, possibly the very same that inspired Ludwig’s ideals…

Radiant Sword Hunter Badge:

These hunters, also known as Holy Blades, are what remains of an ancient line of heroes that date back to a very early age of honor and chivalry. (which could possibly date back to the times of Queen Yharnam since we encounter actual Pthumerian Knights in the dungeons.)

…and who, like everybody else at the time, didn’t know that the Gods he and the humans worshipped were in fact Great Ones.

The reason why his Executioners will later become Vileblood hunters could also be because the Cainhurst people, were HIS people, or at least the closest to what Pthumerian civilization used to be. Seeing them corrupted by tainted blood and turned into something ‘vile’ would probably justify his hatred for them.

Or perhaps the Healing Church offered him a higher salary :P who knows.