ken-hoinsky

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in case you needed any more proof that Ken Hoinsky (TofuTofu, on Reddit) and the people that associate with him are human garbage… you’re welcome

-hey look racism. are you surprised… I’m not surprised
-fat hatred… still not surprised, but there it is
-a “fun story” is one about the time you tried to pressure a woman into sex for 20 minutes, instead of taking the first “no” for an answer, and she had to leave in a taxi because you made her so uncomfortable, and somehow that is lol-worthy
-women who want lasting relationships are stupid and should just take their panties off for me!!
-when a woman rejects you it’s because she’s “programmed to say no”

700+ people donated to Hoinsky’s Kickstarter and raised over $16,000

but the protest against the book was a “witch hunt” and feminists are “just looking for things to be angry about”

kickstarter.com
A FEW PEOPLE HAVE LINKED TO THIS BUT I CAN'T EVEN FUCKING BELIEVE THIS GOT FUNDED AND EXISTS

Above The Game is a popular step-by-step guide for getting good with women. I am publishing it as a full-length book.

THROWS UP EVERYWHERE

Always the nice guy, my first three girlfriends cheated and dumped me for the other guy.

just a nice guy getting friendzoned

DISGUSTING DISGUSTING DISGUSTING IT ONLY GETS WORSE

Glad Kickstarter realized this. Too bad they can’t un-fund the project though. Donating to RAINN is a good start to undo their mistake.

http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/we-were-wrong

(Concerning the guy who funded a how-to sexual assault guide.)

Also, dosomething.org is sending one of their team to meet with the creator of the guide to help him change his book to no longer promote sexual assault. There’s more on that here, under the updates tab: http://www.dosomething.org/petition/kickstarter

I’m glad that they are reviewing their terms and conditions to prohibit future seduction guides. This is just an example of how young people can influence real world outcomes and help fight the sexist views of society.

So I heard about that ridiculously misogynistic Above The Game book getting all that money on kickstarter (hopefully most of it is from people who weren’t aware of the book being domineering bullshit), and I’ve seen a certain amount of response to it from feminists on tumblr.

As some of you who follow me may know, I don’t personally identify as a feminist (I don’t mean to be rude as I agree with a great deal of feminist points, it’s just I consider the idea of a gender equality movement naming its self after one gender and slapping the title “patriarchy” on gender inequality [which seems to demonise men as the cause] is rather crude, prideful, victimising, and oversimplified; especially when gender inequality is caused by a greater natural/capitalistic conservative hierarchy forcing men and women into “roles” through social pressure and accommodation). Regardless, it is clear that the author, Ken Hoinsky, is a massive fucking tool. He is a typical asshat who doesn’t understand that people, women in particular, are humans like him (although calling Ken a human seems a little generous).

He is a result of what I call the “gender division culture”, the fact that in our society, genders divide themselves, only talking to members of their own genders and referring to the other as if they are aliens.

This begins in our very early childhood, in the mini-society of playgrounds. Boys stick together, doing “manly things”, and talking about how girls are weird cooty-infested creatures of anger. Meanwhile, girls stick to their own group, doing “girly things” and talk about how boys are from Jupiter to get more stupider etc.

As such, in weaker minds this causes notions of femininity and masculinity to stick to the “appropriate genders”, manipulating them in often negative paths, turning many men into violent over-controlling brutes and turning many women into close-minded prudes with low self-esteem. Excessive femininity and masculinity generally do harm in a person, and if I’ve found that if someone wants to be a considerate and loving human, a mix of the two general traits is required (something that is too often shunned by our society, a society poisoned by gender division culture).

This gender division culture (usually with a combination of mommy issues) results in little shits like Ken Hoinsky who don’t consider women as people, seeing them as robots or puzzles to be cracked or solved and eventually controlled in order to suit their selfish needs. He is essentially subhuman scum, (although it could be argued that he is a victim of gender division culture) and I understand fully why his book has come under so much criticism from feminists.

But I would say feminists, that you’re approaching the situation wrongly. You’re criticising the book, but not in a way that will get men to actually listen.

And this actually gets to my major issue with feminism: it doesn’t know how to get MASCULINE MALES to listen. This is partially due to the female brand of the movement, which already means that your average male sexist will never listen, even if they aren’t aware of their sexism (this is surprisingly common by the way, so a note to feminists: be aware that most men don’t even know they’re being sexist and will likely turn against gender equality if you immediately jump out and call them a “sexist pig”).

You don’t get men to stop sexually assaulting by telling them they’re sexist, you get them to stop by telling them they’re ASSHOLES, because that’s what they are, ASSHOLES. They may be sexist, but primarily, they are SIMPLY ASSHOLES who are overly full of themselves and think they’re the greatest thing that happened since Jesus.

Most sexist masculine males are practically hardened to claims of sexism or misogyny and consider it to be “bitches whining”, and thus it effects them more to criticise their attitude as a bad one towards HUMANS, and as an attitude that is SELFISH, RUDE and highly INCONSIDERATE.

There should not be a “war on men”, or even a real “war on sexism” in the West, but a war on ASSHOLEISM, and a war on the culture of gender partitioning that causes this assholeism.

Thank you for reading.

tl;dr Ken Hoinsky is a fucking asshole and feminism is approaching misogyny in the wrong way.

Kickstarter, you disappoint me.

How did I miss this garbage?

And I quote:

1: “The offensive material was part of a draft for a “seduction guide” that someone was using Kickstarter to publish. The posts offended a lot of people — us included — and many asked us to cancel the creator’s project. We didn’t.”

…and

2. “Let us be 100% clear: Content promoting or glorifying violence against women or anyone else has always been prohibited from Kickstarter. If a project page contains hateful or abusive material we don’t approve it in the first place. If we had seen this material when the project was submitted to Kickstarter (we didn’t), it never would have been approved. Kickstarter is committed to a culture of respect.”

…finally

3. “The decision had to be made immediately. We had only two hours from when we found out about the material to when the project was ending. We’ve never acted to remove a project that quickly.”
 
Even after the material which violated Kickstarter’s terms of use were brought to the attention of the company, they still refused to take down the project even though they had two hours to do so. Why?

And while the $25,000 towards RAINN, the U.S.’s largest anti-sexual violence organization, is good; I’m pretty sure that KICKSTARTER is still able to put a stop to the distribution of the funds to one KEN HOINSKY, the individual behind this project that promotes violence against women.   

http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/we-were-wrong

If someone wrote a how to guide on burglary or murder, or any other violent crime, people would be shocked and appalled. People would be demanding that it not be published, that it’s disgusting. But when it’s about rape and abuse towards women, suddenly it’s against freedom of speech to ban it. It’s a disgusting book and i’m horrified so many people are defending it, and even more horrified at the people prepared to pay for it. I only hope Ken Hoinsky never has a daughter.

dailymail:

‘Misogynistic’ pickup artist raises $17,000 on Kickstarter for dating guide on how to sleep with a woman even if 'she’s resisting going home with you’

reddit:

Above The Game Part 7: Physical Escalation & Sex

Physical Escalation

This scenario happens all the time. A man is on a date with a woman. The man fails to touch the girl and only goes in for the kiss at the end of the night. He goes home alone. His internal dialogue says, “WTF why won’t girls hook up with me? I guess I’m in the friend-zone again.

"Meanwhile, the woman goes home, confused, wondering if the guy likes her. Her internal dialogue says, "I thought that was a date. I guess he just wants to be friends?

"ALWAYS BE ESCALATING! That entire miscommunication could have been avoided if the man had just escalated physically. Don’t fall into that trap!

All the greatest seducers in history could not keep their hands off of women. They aggressively escalated physically with every woman they were flirting with. They began touching them immediately, kept great body language and eye contact, and were shameless in their physicality. Even when a girl rejects your advances, she KNOWS that you desire her. That’s hot. It arouses her physically and psychologically.

kickstarter:

We were wrong

On Wednesday morning Kickstarter was sent a blog post quoting disturbing material found on Reddit. The offensive material was part of a draft for a “seduction guide” that someone was using Kickstarter to publish. The posts offended a lot of people — us included — and many asked us to cancel the creator’s project. We didn’t.

We were wrong.

Kickstarter Issues Apology Over "Above The Game" Project

Whitney Pierce
Staff Writer

One of the world’s largest creative funding platforms, Kickstarter, has become increasingly popular over the last few years. The website allows people who have creative ideas to post those ideas online and anyone that sees it and believes in said project can donate to it and help make it become a reality. 

While I do enjoy Kickstarter and what they normally do, they went under fire this week for a project that was discovered guided men to act very questionably towards women.

The project was to fund the production of a book called Above The Game: A Guide to Getting Awesome by Ken Hoinsky. The book was supposed to be a guide for men who apparently had little luck with the ladies and to help them better understand what women want and how to get them. While it sounds like another one of those harmless and ridiculous “what women want” guides, excerpts from the guide seem to tell a bit of a different story.

Keep reading

I had to make my own comment/post about this, and not attach it to someone else’s because that’s rude. Don’t worry, this is going to be pretty short and sweet.

So, the guy who wrote this, Ken Hoinsky, has agreed to discuss with someone about rewriting his book:

“UPDATE: Above the Game author Ken Hoinsky (who started the Kickstarter project) has agreed to talk to our petition writer, Ben, on how to write his book without content that is misogynistic, offensive, or tolerant of sexual assault. We look forward to the conversation.” - http://www.dosomething.org/petition/kickstarter

That’s great. Most likely it’s because if he didn’t, he was going to be pretty much ruined for the rest of his writing career, and labeled as a rapist. He’s probably wondering how he could rewrite his book, how he could keep most of the information in it that he obviously thought was good enough to originally put up as exerts (“put her hand on your dick”? That’s award winning material there).

I have the answer though. Ken, if you’re interested. Turn your book into a seduction book for a CONSENSUAL dominant/submissive relationship. Most people think that if there is a dominant sexual partner, they meet a submissive sexual partner, and lots of d/s sex ensues. I’ve met people who don’t understand that seduction still occurs, and most people want a relationship, since this is about trust, and experiencing new things. Some people want to be dominant, some people want to be submissive.

There is NOTHING wrong with that. There is NOTHING wrong with wanting the person your with to do something like pick you up suddenly and pull you into their lap. Some people are waiting for it, for some it’s thrilling, and exciting, and does definitely arouse. Some people WANT this kind of relationship. But not everyone.

Some people want to have relationships like this, just like some people want to be tied up, and some people want to have a non-sexual relationship. It’s all about consent.

Basically, Ken. If a big, beefy, muscle bear of a guy came in, sat down next to you, and without asking picked you up and put you down in his lap so you could feel his erection… would you be comfortable? If he kept touching you, ignoring your requests to stop, would you think it’s romantic and want it? If he took out his hard cock, grabbed your wrist, and put your hand on it, would you think ‘oh! this is exactly what I was talking about! I’m so glad that he decided to do this to me!’? If you answered no about ANY of that, what makes you think that you should do it to a woman?

dailydot.com
Reddit pick-up artist issues mea culpa after Kickstarter controversy

Kickstarters apology for not defunding a Reddit pick-up artist’s book project is one of the best in Internet history. Now Ken Hoinsky has followed suit.

Today is totally unexpected apologies: “Above the Game” author publicly apologizes and explains how he’s going to make his book better. Click through to watch the author, Hoinsky, explain how he is reexamining the problematic language and working with non-profits to make his book a more positive experience for everyone.

I am so surprised by this news I don’t even know what to say other than good for you Ken Hoinsky!

kickstarter.com
We were wrong

[T]oday Kickstarter will donate $25,000 to an anti-sexual violence organization called RAINN. It’s an excellent organization that combats exactly the sort of problems our inaction may have encouraged.

We take our role as Kickstarter’s stewards very seriously. Kickstarter is one of the friendliest, most supportive places on the web and we’re committed to keeping it that way. We’re sorry for getting this so wrong.

Above the Game results

After our petition gained over 61,095 signatures, Kickstarter has issued an official apology and statement here. It’s titled, “We were wrong.” (Yup!)

While they are still funding the dude, they’ve committed to reviewing their terms of service and will immediately prohibit “seduction guides,” or anything similar, effective immediately. They are also making a $25k contribution to RAINN. (No mention of us, the petition, or deleting your Facebook posts…)

Our response:

1. We’re proud. Despite the fact that the statement didn’t mention DoSomething.org and the 60,000+ young people who signed the petition…clearly, we won. Nice work. Lesson? When young people ROAR, it matters.

2. We are thrilled Kickstarter is reviewing and changing its policies to stop anything like this from happening again. We think it’s lame that they are still funding the project - but we have reached out to the author himself to help him write something positive. He is meeting with one of our team members this weekend for coffee.

3. We love that our friends at RAINN will receive a donation to continue to combat sexual assault.

4. We hope Kickstarter did something nice for that office manager…

We’re happy we won this one…there is a lot more out there to tackle. Send us your ideas for campaigns and petitions.

You matter. When you roar, people listen and change happens.