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NU'EST fanmeeting 1 or 2 years ago Vs Todays fanmeeting😭 Finally after 5 whole years they were given their first offcial lightstick and had their very first Love Ocean today! JR said in the past their family could never see them perform in Korea (bc theyve never had a concert there) but today his dream came true as his noona was there💜 THIS GLOW UP IS SO HUGE THE BOYS DID THIS FROM 100% THEIR OWN WORK AND I AM SO PROUD OF THEM FOR NOT GIVING UP! Now we just need to give them their 1st win and Korean concert!! Lets make NU'EST (W) RISE ONCE AND FOR ALL!!

K-pop Fans: What We Say vs. What We Mean
  • What we say: I just wanna know their names
  • What we mean: The one in the back is really cute and I want to know everything about them
  • What we say: Yeah, I'll go to bed soon
  • What we mean: I'm staying up until 4am for a V-Live
  • What we say: Yeah, I really like (insert bias name here)
  • What we mean: He/She is my entire world, I love them with all of my heart, I would sell my kidney to be with them, I love them more than myself
  • What we say: I really want to go to that concert.
  • What we mean: I need to see them live, I need to be breathing the same air as them. I will freak the fuck out if I do not go to that concert.
  • What we say: God dammit that concert is sold out.
  • What we mean: Who do I need to kill for a ticket
#PRAYFORTOP

Hey, guys. Something very serious in the k-pop community has happened.

Earlier today, T.O.P from the group Big Bang overdosed on his proscribed medicine. He was found unconscious and he is currently in the ICU of the hospital. His mother and close friends are by his side. He has still not woken up. That’s all I know for sure and, I don’t want to spread misinformation.

Please, pray for T.O.P, or send positive vibes to him and his loved ones. The recent scandal has sent hate his way. Let’s send love, support and wishes to hide that hate. He needs it. Let’s show everybody what us k-pop fans can do. Make this hashtag tread. Anything you can to support.

Thank you.

K-Pop Group BTS Reveals Its Biggest Beauty Secrets for Glowing Skin

Last month, BTS, a K-Pop group from Seoul, cemented itself in American pop culture by winning the Top Social Artist Award at the Billboard Music Awards. The second the boy band hit the magenta red carpet, thousands were exposed to the wonders of K-Pop. Since then, people have been quick to call BTS, which is short for Bangtan Sonyeondan (or Bulletproof Boy Scouts in English), the One Direction of South Korea. However, that’s just an easy way to give them some context. In reality, BTS is actually completely different. Why? The seven-piece group’s performances are complete with flawless choreography, expert rapping, high-fashion looks, and insanely catchy vocals. Oh yeah, and they look damn good while doing so.

No matter where BTS is, their skin is forever smooth and has an enviable glow to it. Their eyes are typically adorned with a subtle smoky eye look, which both Jin and Jimin told me is their favorite part of wearing makeup. Their lips always have that popsicle-stained look that everyone’s been craving lately. Their hair colors are constantly changing, too. In 2017 alone, Jimin’s hair has been bubblegum pink, silver, platinum blonde, sandy blonde, and caramel brown. If they had to choose just one shade, though, Rap Monster tells Allure that he prefers “ash gray and ash blue because these complement my skin tone well.” Agreed. Also, Suga added that his favorite hair color is blonde because “I just need to de-color and that’s it.”

The beauty aspect of BTS’s fame alone separates them from the likes of One Direction, the Jonas Brothers, and the Backstreet Boys. And their legions of fans, lovingly called A.R.M.Y., live for it. YouTube is filled with makeup tutorials inspired by looks from BTS’s music videos. A whole Tumblr account called Dewy Bangtan is even devoted to tracking down the beauty products BTS uses based on screenshots from behind-the-scenes videos.

If the names I mentioned above didn’t ring any bells, let me give you a quick summary of each of the seven members of BTS.

Jin

At 24, Jin is the oldest member of BTS, but he doesn’t act like it. He has a very specific skin care-related reason for that. In a recent video, he said, “I have a motto of my life, ‘If you behave young, your face becomes young, too.’” Noted. His good looks went viral after the Billboard Awards. On Twitter, he was called the “third one from the left”, accompanied by dozens of heart-eye emojis. His response? He’s “worldwide handsome.”

Suga

Many will identify with Suga, one of the group’s rappers, on a spiritual level, as I do. When he isn’t working his ass off producing, writing, and composing songs, he just likes to lay. Same. Just as his hair color preference suggests, he’s the most low-maintenance of the Bangtan Boys as far as beauty routines goes. He’s basically a granddad trapped in a 24-year-old’s body.

V

V’s interests lie in the finer things in life like Gucci, Van Gogh, and photography. The 21-year-old also makes some of the most hilarious facial expressions and has the most velvety voice in BTS. Some consider him to be the most handsome in the group, but I’ll let you decide.

Jimin

Jimin is the king of selfies. BTS’s Twitter is filled with evidence of this statement. In their music videos, you can pick him out by his sharp dance moves. In a group photos, you can pick him out by his seriously adorable baby face. Don’t let it fool you — he’s not the youngest. He’s 21. And if anyone was wondering, he’s what K-Pop fans call my “bias,” aka my favorite. His pink hair sealed the deal for me.

Jungkook

Ok, now it’s time to talk about the youngest member of BTS. Jungkook, 19, is a classic, hard-working millennial. He can do everything, including sing (in English), dance, and rap, and do it all incredibly well. When not suited-up in a dress shirt or velvet bomber jacket on stage, you can catch him wearing a white T-shirt and Timberlands.

Rap Monster

Meet the leader of the group. BTS was literally built around the 22-year-old. As you probably could have guessed, Rap Monster, well, raps. He’s also BTS’s mouthpiece. Fluent in English, he usually takes the lead in stateside interviews. (Watching Friends helped him learn the language.) He has a habit of winking in photo shoot and making people across the world melt. Cringe-worthy hairstyles from BTS’s debut in 2013 aside, Rap Monster has some of the best looks of BTS.

J-Hope

I’m convinced J-Hope’s ever-positive personality is the true secret behind his glowing skin. (More on his actual secrets later.) Also 22, he’s like BTS’s portable charger, giving them (and fans) the energy and encouragement. Watching him dance will give you strength, too. Trust. He’s s-o g-o-o-d.

Now that we’re all on the same page, here’s the best part: BTS took a break from their massive world tour, which has made stops in the US, Australia, and Brazil, to chat with me about their skin care routines. Yup, you’re about to find out some of their secrets.

Why is it important to you to take good care of your skin?

Jin: “Skin is what completes my appearance. I value my looks very much, so it’s equally important to take good care of my skin — that’s a pivotal part of my face.”

J-Hope: “Taking good care of your skin is the No.1 rule for all celebs. I get to meet a lot of fans face-to-face at fan meetings and similar events, and I’d like to look my best for them.”

What’s your biggest skin concern?

Rap Monster: “My skin is dry most of the time, and my biggest concern is keeping it [moisturized]. I get zits from time to time and that concerns me as well.”

Jungkook: “I get pimples sometimes, and it’s very stressful.”

You guys travel a lot. Do you do any skin-care treatments while you’re on the plane to keep your skin from freaking out?

V: “On the plane, I dampen cotton pads with toner and put on lotion twice as much.”

Jimin: “I don’t really do anything extra special for my skin on the plane, but I try to drink as much water as possible.”

What are some of your favorite beauty products?

V: “I’ve been looking for my absolute favorite beauty product for a long time because my skin becomes dry and oily relatively fast. I haven’t found the right one, but I’m not giving up! Any recommendations?”

What is your skin routine like?

J-Hope: “[In the morning, I use] toner and face cream. [At night, the steps are] toner, essence, acne care, lotion, cream.”

Jungkook: “Toner and cream for night and morning routine.”

A lot of people find skin care routines to be a form of self care. Do you agree?

Rap Monster: “I totally agree. My favorite brand is Mediheal, and it has a variety of sheet masks you can choose from after a long day of work.”

Jimin: “I do agree because I try to clear my mind by cleansing my face after performances.”

Do you have any bad skin care habits?

Suga: “My bad habit is that I don’t take care of my skin.”

V: “I don’t particularly have a bad habit, but I’m worried about my skin having lack of elasticity. How can I prevent this?”

Are there any Korean beauty trends that you particularly love?

Jin: “I love sheet masks. I try to put them on whenever I feel my skin is dry and exposed too much to the sun. They help me make up for lost moisture and brighten my skin.”

Do you have any go-to skin care tips for clear, glowing skin?

J-Hope: “I try to go to the dermatologist when I have some free time after work.”

Jungkook: “I wish I had one! Let me know, and I’ll try.”

© Devon Abelman @ Allure

My list of things that need to be left in 2016

Asking idols to speak in English. Doesn’t matter Whether they can or they can’t.

Asking for your bias when they are not the ones broadcasting and/or are clearly not present.

Spamming comments asking for them to do/say something for you. They are not a performing monkey. Once or twice ok, but stop copying and pasting the same thing 400 times.

Asking people who have left idol groups why they left or to talk about the group/members.

Fan wars.

“Any army here? XD”

Bringing up other idols/groups on broadcasts/videos/posts not relevant to them.

Asking “who is this?/who are you?” When it’s been answered already mUlTipLe times and is in the tiTLe/DescriptiOn OF THE VIDEO/BROADCAST.

Referring to any idol sibling as “sibling of -insert name of more famous sibling-” instead of their own name.

Boy groups Vs Girl groups

Sexy Vs Cute

Saying inappropriate or sexual things DIRECTLY to idols.

Stanning strictly because of looks then Unstanning when they change up.

Private messaging idols, especially with nude photos.

Spreading leaked videos or photos.

“OMG THEY LOOK LIKE -insert Bangtan member-”

Trying to force people to believe your group is superior

KHipHop rappers VS Idol rappers

Annoying Sungoh of 24K cause you think he looks like V

Annoying Haewon of L.A.U because you saw his photo being used in a smutty Jin imagine.

“Daddy.”

Tagging THIS as BTS members. It’s B:ETA and J:ETA from ALPHABAT.

Trying to make them conform to your standards and way of thinking.

Perving on underage idols. Particularly if you are over 18.

Criticizing their bodies. Too fat, too skinny, no abs etc.

Attacking any girl within a 50 mile radius of oppa. Hate all you want to your friends and on your personal media but do not go to these girls (or guys cause I’ve seen that too) accounts and rage against them. You have no fucking right ok?

HanJoo and shoving ships into idols faces even after they’ve expressed their dislike for it. Again, keep it private.

Assuming Idol’s sexuality and/or asking them about it.

Seriously telling other fans to stay away from your bias as If you own them.

Koreaboos and random Korean that you learned from google.

“I only care about ‘x’ member.”

Putting down and/or disrespecting older or lesser known groups.

Calling members who leave groups traitors and treating them like they’ve done something wrong

Not letting idols be human

Not giving them the basic respect and courtesy every human deserves

“ X group copied X group.”

Whitewashing

Ent VS Ent

A Guide to Old-Gen Girl Groups

Time moves on and trends change and people change with them. While I can understand this fact, I refuse to accept it (for now) and I just can’t move on and completely forget about all these amazing groups that have either disbanded or have been inactive for a long time.

With that out of the way, I would like to introduce you to this guide I created, to help new K-pop fans who may be interested to check out a few of the older groups that were around for the 2007-2015 era of K-pop.

(Note: Some groups underwent line-up changes along the way of their careers, so I will be using the line-up that was more recently active to present each group)


Girls’ Generation (2007-Present)

Members:

  • Taeyeon - Leader, Main Vocalist
  • Sunny - Lead Vocalist
  • Tiffany - Lead Vocalist
  • Hyoyeon - Vocalist, Main Dancer
  • Yuri - Vocalist, Lead Dancer
  • Sooyoung - Vocalist, Lead Dancer
  • Yoona - Vocalist, Lead Dancer, Face of the Group
  • Seohyun - Lead Vocalist, Maknae

Past Member:

  • Jessica (2007-2014)

Girls’ Generation debuted in 2007 with the single “Into the New World”. Their musical style relies heavily on electropop and bubblegum pop as well as dance music and their image focuses on carefree and cheerful themes but they have tackled other musical and visual styles as well. While they were relatively well-received since debut, their big hit “Gee” is what boosted their way to the top and has made them a household name in South Korea and most of East Asia, with K-pop fans referring to them as “The Nation’s Girl Group” and other similar titles. Their 2010 Japanese debut with a translated version of their 2009 hit “Genie” was largely succesful and they have met further popularity and success in their neighbouring country ever since.

Greatest Hits: “Gee” , “Genie” , “Oh!” , “The Boys” , “Lion Heart


2NE1 (2009-2016)

Members:

  • Bom - Main Vocalist
  • Dara - Vocalist, Face of the Group
  • CL - Leader, Lead Vocalist, Main Rapper
  • Minzy - Lead Vocalist, Lead Rapper, Main Dancer, Maknae

2NE1 debuted in 2009 with their hit single “Fire”. Known for their electronic-based sound and bold, in-your-face type of image, 2NE1 was loved for their fierce style and for daring to stand out, refusing to fit into any mold. Their best-selling hit “I Don’t Care” solidified their position as a top-tier group right after their debut and their follow-up hits allowed them to remain on top for the next six years after their debut.

Greatest Hits: “Fire” , “I Don’t Care” , “Lonely” , “I Am the Best” , “Ugly


SISTAR (2010-2017)

Members:

  • Bora - Sub-Vocalist, Main Rapper, Main Daner
  • Hyolyn - Leader, Main Vocalist, Rapper
  • Soyou - Lead Vocalist
  • Dasom - Vocalist, Face of the Group, Maknae

SISTAR debuted in 2010 with the single “Push Push”. They worked closely with producer Brave Sound for the better part of their career and released extremely catchy dance singles which they accompanied with their sexy image and choreographies. Their rise to stardom started in 2011 with their best-selling hit “So Cool” and for the following six years they dominated the digital singles charts with their subsequent releases, a feat which earned them the nickname “Digital Monsters” for their astonishing digital sales and helped them solidify their position as a top group and form what Korean fans call “The Unbreakable Wall” along with Girls’ Generation and 2NE1.

Greatest Hits: “So Cool” , “Alone” , “Loving U” , “Give It to Me” , “Touch My Body


KARA (2007-2016)

Members (Last Active Line-up):

  • Gyuri (2007-2016) - Leader, Lead Vocalist, Rapper
  • Seungyeon (2007-2016) - Main Vocalist
  • Hara (2008-2016) - Vocalist, Rapper, Main Daner, Face of the Group
  • Youngji (2014-2016) - Vocalist, Main Rapper, Maknae

Past Members:

  • Sunghee (2007-2008)
  • Nicole (2007-2014)
  • Jiyoung (2008-2014)

KARA debuted in 2007 with their first studio album “The First Blooming” and used “Break It” as the lead single to promote it. After failing to reach the expected ammount of sales and recognition they had hoped to achieve, the group underwent a complete image change one year after debut, switching from R&B/Hip-Hop influenced sound and style, to a cute and bubbly image that was well-received by the public. Their first number-one hit, “Honey” (2009) soon followed and the group continued to gain more and more popularity with follow-up singles “Mister” (2009) and “Lupin”(2010), among others . Debuting in Japan with a translated version of their Korean hit “Mister” in 2010, KARA received further love and fame in Japan, making them one of the most-succeful Korean acts promoting in the Japanese market, with some members still working in Japan after the group’s disbandment.

Greatest Hits: “Honey” , “Mister”, “Lupin”, “Step” , “Pandora


Wonder Girls (2007-2017)

Members (Last Active Line-Up):

  • Yeeun (2007-2017) - Leader, Main Vocalist, Keyboardist
  • Sunmi (2007-2010, 2015-2017) - Lead Vocalist, Main Dancer, Face of the Group, Bassist
  • Yubin (2007-2017) - Vocalist, Main Rapper, Drummer
  • Hyerim (2010-2017) - Vocalist, Lead Rapper, Lead Dancer, Guitarist, Maknae

Past Members:

  • Hyuna (2007-2007)
  • Sohee (2007-2013)
  • Sunye (2007-2015)

Wonder Girls debuted in 2007 with the maxi single “The Wonder Begins” and “Irony” as their debut single. The Wonder Girls are known as the “Retro Queens” of Korea thanks to their musical style that draws inspiration from the 60s, 70s and 80s and a fashion sense and visual style to match. In the later years of their career, the dance group learned how to play musical instruments, and made it a core part of their revamped image. Their rise to fame followed soon after their debut with their singles “Tell Me” which took their home country by storm and “Nobody” which followed the next year. Following the huge domestic success of “Nobody”, the group released an English version of the song the next year, specifically-made to target the American music market. The song was a hit and the group was the first Korean act to enter the Billboard Hot 100 Chart. They went on to appear on TV and radio shows and even tour with the Jonas Brothers as their opening act and star in their own Nickelodeon-produced movie while working even harder to polish their musical style and skills during their stay in the United States.

Greatest Hits: “Tell Me” , “So Hot” , “Nobody”, “Be My Baby” , “Like This


T-ara (2009-Present)

Members:

  • Boram (2009-2017) - Vocalist, Rapper
  • Q-ri (2009-Present) - Leader, Vocalist
  • Soyeon (2009-2016) - Main Vocalist
  • Eunjung (2009-Present) - Lead Vocalist, Lead Rapper
  • Hyomin (2009-Present) - Lead Vocalist, Main Rapper, Lead Dancer
  • Jiyeon (2009-Present) - Vocalist, Main Dancer, Face of the Group, Maknae

Past Members:

  • Hwayoung (2010-2012)
  • Areum (2012-2013)
  • Dani (Predebut) [2012-2014]

T-ara debuted in 2009 with the single “Lie”. Known as “K-pop’s Chameleons”, T-ara constantly redefine their musical and visual image while at the same time mainting their trademark hook-heavy dance style. Their first hit was “Bo Peep Bo Peep”, released in 2009. They continued to release hit songs for the three following years, and went on to debut in Japan in 2011 with a Japanese version of “Bo Peep Bo Peep” and then China, with their collaboration single “Little Apple” (2014) with Chinese duo Chopstick Brothers, making them one of the most succesful groups in South Korea, Japan and China. Their public image in South Korea suffered a big hit in 2012 after fabricated rumours arouse, claiming that the original members of the group were bullying a member who was removed from the group and company at that time. The group continued to release music in their home country, but were mostly supported by their international fans. Said rumours were finally proven false five years later, restoring the group’s image and ceasing all of the unjust accusations made against them.

Greatest Hits: “Bo Peep Bo Peep” , “Crazy Because of You” , “Roly-Poly” , “Cry Cry” , “Lovey-Dovey


4Minute (2009-2016)

Members:

  • Jihyun - Leader, Vocalist, Face of the Group
  • Gayoon - Main Vocalist
  • Jiyoon - Lead Vocalist, Lead Rapper
  • HyunA - Vocalist, Main Rapper, Main Dancer, Face of the Group
  • Sohyun - Vocalist, Rapper, Lead Dancer, Maknae

4Minute debuted in 2009 with their best-selling hit single “Hot Issue” which helped them gain fame and recognition at the start of their careers. The group focused on dance, electronic and EDM music and sported a sexy but bold and independent image. They maintained their sound and style as well as the popularity they acquired with their debut and never failed to release music each year during the entirety of their career, making them one of the most consistent groups when it comes to hiatus periods between each of their comebacks.

Greatest Hits: “Hot Issue” , “Muzik” , “Volume Up” , “What’s Your Name?” , “Crazy


f(x) [2009-Present]

Members:

  • Victoria - Leader, Vocalist, Main Dancer
  • Amber - Vocalist, Main Rapper
  • Luna - Main Vocalist, Lead Dancer
  • Krystal - Lead Vocalist, Face of the Group, Maknae

Past Member:

  • Sulli (2009-2015)

f(x) made their debut with single “LA chA TA” in 2009. Their style is a perfect mix of cute and soft vocals with an alternative visual and artistic style, often experimenting with new sounds and styles. Their big breakthrough came in 2011 with their single “Pinocchio” and the follow-up and best-selling single “Hot Summer”, receiving much love and adoration from K-pop fans worldwide.

Greatest Hits: “Pinocchio” , “Hot Summer” , “Electric Shock” , “Red Light” , “4 Walls


miss A (2010-Present)

Members:

  • Fei (2010-Present) - Lead Vocalist
  • Jia (2010-2016) - Vocalist, Main Rapper, Lead Dancer
  • Min (2010-Present) - Lead Vocalist, Rapper, Main Dancer
  • Suzy (2010-Present) - Main Vocalist, Rapper, Face of the Group, Maknae

miss A debuted in 2010 with hit single “Bad Girl Good Girl” from their debut EP “Bad but Good”. Adapting a sexy but also strong and independent public image right from the start of their career, miss A are famous for their dance-heavy title tracks and R&B-influenced b-sides and songs that promote female sexuality (”Touch”, “Hush”) but also independence and feminism (”Good Bye Baby”, “I Don’t Need a Man”). miss A’s songs never fail to impress and capture audiences.

Greatest Hits: “Bad Girl Good Girl” , “Breathe” , “Good Bye Baby” , “Touch” , “Hush


Brown Eyed Girls (2006-Present)

Members:

  • JeA - Leader, Main Vocalist
  • Miryo - Sub-Vocalist, Main Rapper
  • Narsha - Lead Vocalist, Lead Dancer
  • Gain - Lead Vocalist, Main Dancer, Face of the Group, Maknae

Brown Eyed Girls debuted as an R&B/Ballad vocal group with “Come Closer” in 2006. Brown Eyed Girls are what one would call the ultimate feminist icons in the K-pop industry. Mature, bold, brave, sexy, strong, independent, unapologetic are all words that perfectly describe the core concepts that the group’s music and image revolve around. They started gaining popularity in 2008 with their song “L.O.V.E” and then captivated their home country with “Abracadabra” the following year. The Brown Eyed Girls are also notable for the relatively big age gap they have compared to their contemporary colleagues, and for staying together for eleven (and counting!) years, without any member changes too.

Greatest Hits: “L.O.V.E.” , “How Come?” ,  “Abracadabra” , “Sign” , “Sixth Sense


After School (2009-Present)

Members (Last Active LIne-up):

  • Jung-A (2009-2016) - Leader, Main Vocalist, Main Dancer
  • Juyeon (2009-2015) - Vocalist, Dancer
  • U-ie (2009-2017) - Vocalist, Rapper, Lead Dancer, Face of the Group
  • Raina (2009-Present) - Main Vocalist, Dancer
  • Nana (2009-Present) - Lead Vocalist, Rapper, Lead Dancer
  • Lizzy (2010-Present) - Lead Vocalist, Main Rapper, Dancer
  • E-Young (2011-Present) - Vocalist, Lead Dancer
  • Kaeun (2012-Present) - Lead Vocalist, Lead Rapper, Dancer, Maknae

Past Members:

  • Soyoung (2009-2009)
  • Bekah (2009-2011)
  • Kahi (2009-2012)

After School debuted in 2009 with maxi single “New Schoolgirl” and used “Ah” to promote it. After School are notable for their admission-graduation system, but most importantly, for their complex choreographies; from drum-marching, to tap dancing, to pole dancing, they’ve trained for months to perfect said choreographies and have succeeded with much grace and efficiency. Their best-selling hit “Because of You” is their best-known hit and its success enabled them to continue releasing great music for the next six years after it’s release.

Greatest Hits: “Because of You” , “Bang!” , “Shampoo” , “Flashback” , “First Love

Hansol - Topp Dogg

Hello fellow K-Pop fans of tumblr, I’d like to make an announcement.

Recently, a member from a group that I occasionally listen to had an Instagram live. On his live he was discussing how he wanted to kill himself, and was walking dangerously close to the edge of a busy road. Some of you already know who I’m talking about. If you don’t, I’m talking about Hansol from Topp Dogg.

If you don’t know about Topp Dogg, I don’t blame you, I didn’t know about them until early last year.

Topp Dogg have been around since 2013, and I don’t think a single music video of theirs ever reached past 1 or 2 million views ( sometimes not even that many ). They also had 4 members quit, one went on Produce 101. They’ve never done well popularity wise and they’re about to disband.

This is seriously depressing if you remember that these boys have probably trained their whole lives to be apart of the idol industry. Gave up having normal teenage lives maybe even childhoods, training, dieting, loosing sleep, being separated from family for long periods of time. They did all of that, and they didn’t even know if they were going to make it into a group or be kicked out.

I feel terrible for not taking more time to get to know this group better, because they are big sweethearts who are very talented and hardworking. When I heard about Hansol, I felt my heart break. I was close to tears. He’s such a beautiful boy with a contagious smile and laugh, and hearing that he’s suicidal is nothing but scary.

I ask that if you are religious please pray for Hansol, leave positive comment on his Instagram.

If this group does end up disbanding, I don’t want them going out like this. Please check out their music, stream it, watch their mvs. If you don’t like them, that’s fine, but these boys deserve so much better. I want to give them better.