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I think so many of the problems with Robb and Cat on the show stem from the fact that D&D basically wrote themselves into a hole.

I understand why the aged the characters up. But this is troublesome in terms of Robb’s storyline, because so much of his character arc in the books is rooted in the fact that he is a young boy in way over his head. And – at least on some level – he knows he is in way over his head. At one point, he admits (paraphrasing) that he’s “messed up everything but the battles,” and he is willing to listen to Cat’s advice, even if he occasionally resents her for giving it. On the show, Robb is roughly twenty. Ned and Robert fought and won a rebellion at that age. Stannis held a castle under siege. By Westerosi standards, Robb is too old to be (believably) relying on his mother, so they’ve given him too much confidence and have him treating Cat like an interloper.

Also, his show storyline is all over the map, with Catelyn in tow. In the book, she releases Jaime at Riverrun while Robb is away, which makes the whole thing Edmure’s problem, and Cat basically makes it easy on him by confining herself to Hoster’s chambers until Robb returns. And when Robb does return, he is immediately willing to forgive her, because he also made a potentially politically disastrous mistake in his grief. Putting Cat on the road with him, and turning the Talisa arc into a thing where he actively pursues a relationship outside the Frey alliance changed the tone of everything. So, he treats Cat like a criminal, because why not.

I’m still really salty about it. And not just because I genuinely like Robb in the books. I hate what it’s doing to Cat as a character, because they are basically trying to turn her into someone to be pitied, which IS SO FAR FROM THE POINT I AM FOAMING AT THE MOUTH. One of the most heartbreaking things about the whole King in the North arc in the books is that Cat shows an amazing amount of strength. She just keeps soldiering on because Robb needs her, despite her personal losses and the fact that his kingdom is falling down around their ears.

anonymous asked:

I'm curious if you have any theories on what lucifer wants.


big picture: I think he can defeat Amara (or at least, he thinks he can), and from that point would probably embark on some new world order/hell on earth shtick.

small picture: This is way less clear. The Dean + (Lucifer) Cas “this could be a good thing” clip from the 11x11 promo* takes place at the bunker, so I’m guessing Lucifer spends part of that episode playing mole. Which initially didn’t make any sense to me. The Winchesters have no usable intel on Amara. And Lucifer knows that: Sam wouldn’t have gone into to hell to talk to him in the first place if they weren’t literally desperate.

But. When I was writing my 11x10 coda I started thinking about vessels. It’s been ages since I watched S4, but iirc, Cas never says anything wrt Jimmy and bloodlines; I think he just jumped into Jimmy because he was willing and conveniently located. Same with the fallen angels in S9. They seemed to be hopping into anyone who would say ‘yes.’ I think it’s just archangels that need specific vessels, since they’re considerably more powerful.

Cas had vessel meltdown issues during his Godstiel stint. The same kind of vessel meltdown issues Lucifer had when he was in Nick. So, I’m thinking Lucifer can’t stay in Cas forever. He’s probably going to make another bid to hitch a ride in Sam. Like, “blah blah, if you cared about your angel friend at all, you’d say ‘yes’ before he explodes.”

That’s the only thing I can think of wrt why Lucifer would pretend to be Cas in 11x11. Although, whatever his reasons, he’s already failboating it up. Yeah, I get he had “business” with Rowena and Crowley, but Cas would’ve taken the ride Dean offered. He also didn’t show any concern for Dean and Sam’s injuries; Cas would’ve offered to heal them. I’m figuring the jig will be up pretty quickly.


*I was just telling @clusterjam I’m actually super excited for this scene: I watched that promo about fifty times, and it feels like something super important was cut either right before or right after “Cas” puts his hand on Dean’s shoulder.

anonymous asked:

thoughts on the cut scene from brother's keeper?

I think it didn’t make any sense. I also think that once they printed it and watched it a few times, they realized it didn’t make sense.

Here’s the thing about Brother’s Keeper: everything that happened before Dean’s meeting with Dean was basically setting the viewer up to believe Dean’s meeting with Death. It was setting the viewer up to believe that Dean would a) ask Death to kill him, or b) allow Death to launch him into outer space, because surrendering is (typically) against Dean’s character.

One of Dean’s strongest personality traits is his stubbornness. He never fucking gives up. When the hellhounds came for him, he fought until the very last second. He showed up to the apocalypse showdown with zero chance of walking out of Stull alive. He tried his damnedest to get Cas out of purgatory. In ten seasons, the only other time he’s really thrown in the towel was when he considered saying yes to Michael. And in a broad sense, that situation was similar to what was happening with the Mark of Cain – Dean was in way, way over his head. He was surrounded by destruction, and he thought maybe he could stop it if he fell on his sword.

The (super gross) scene where he slut-shames the dead girl was about him being too far off the rails to do the job. So was Rudy’s death – the real Dean wouldn’t have played that fast and loose with someone else’s life. He punched the mirror and destroyed his motel room because he felt guilty about beating up Cas. He felt guilty about getting Rudy killed. The cut scene is a lot less clear.

If Dean really, really, really thought Cas owed him an apology, he would’ve made Cas give him one. Dean was dreaming. Cas was a figment of his imagination. He could’ve stuffed whatever words he wanted to hear into Cas’ mouth. Instead, Cas disappears*. So… what was the point? I think it was about Dean internalizing his guilt until he blamed Cas for their fight as a last-ditch effort to make himself feel better, but that didn’t bear itself out. Dean came across as an unrepentant dick, which completely contradicted what happened in the scene where he punched the mirror and trashed his motel.

And then Crowley shows up and starts explaining the episode’s plot to us like the gods at the end of a Greek play. The scene was a mess from start to finish.

*This is the only part of the scene that’s interesting – Dream Cas disappears without a word when the last thing Real Cas said to Dean before their fight basically amounted to “I planned on staying with you forever.”

I finally got to watch There’s No Place Like Home

  • The ep started and ended with Sam talking to Cas: I know Misha has said Cas will be “intimately involved” in removing the MOC, but I like the fact that this is being reinforced through the text as a) an ongoing situation, and b) not just something where the boys spin their wheels for a few episodes and then Cas just shows up out of the blue with a Plan That’s Just Wacky Enough To Work Because They’re the Winchesters.
  • Charlie offering to research that book: I’m glad that Sam didn’t really fight her on this. The boys need to work through their codependency issues, and I think that’s hampered by the fact that they lead such insulated lives. Besides Cas, all their friends are dead. They don’t have anyone else to lean on besides each other. And apparently Crowley, because working with him always ends well.
  • Lots of close-ups on Dean’s hands: it was interesting to see so many shots of Dean’s hands shaking/injured, specifically in relation to the MOC’s effects. They represented the monster in this ep, when they are generally used to fight the monster.

I liked the theme of the ep, basically that good Charlie/bad Charlie were really two aspects of the same person. It ties in with Claire’s “there’s a little monster in all of us” comment in Hunter Games, which is true. It’s not a matter of one way or the other; most people straddle the fence to some degree.

Also, I’m glad Charlie admitted that being Lawful Good all the time sucks, because so much of the ep showed Dean striving for some unattainable Shiny Happy People ideal as a way of keeping the MOC in check. I mean, yeah, I would love to see Dean slow down on the booze and start sleeping through the night, but if the Cas/Collette thing doesn’t pan out, he’s going to have to learn to live with this, and kale omelets and self-help tapes are not the answer. He wasn’t that person before. He laughed at those people before.

anonymous asked:

In the interview where Misha said Cas "makes a deal with the devil" he also said it "changes he life forever" or smth and now I'm worried Cas will die.

Nah. I mean, yeah, housing Lucifer could always kill him, but I highly, highly, highly doubt he’d stay that way if it did, and I don’t think that’s what Misha was hinting at anyway.

I think that just means letting Lucifer possess him is going to change (or end) his relationship with heaven.

Supernatural’s narrative pretty consistently asks Cas to make a choice. And he pretty consistently chooses the Winchesters. But then something happens and heaven gets their hooks into him again. Heaven demands loyalty, but the relationships he’s made on earth mean more to him than the glory he’s seen as an angel. But he still feels obligated to his brothers and sisters, so he tries to split the baby.

I’m currently leaning toward one of two scenarios – a) Cas ends up human, either because housing Lucifer burns him out, or because whatever spell is used to send Lucifer back to hell doesn’t discriminate and takes Cas’ grace along for the ride, or; b) Cas survives the possession with his grace intact, but heaven is so angry/horrified about Lucfier that they finally fucking let him live cut ties with him completely and stop scratching at his door every time they have a problem.

anonymous asked:

tbh i always thought it was weird that he left dean at sonny's for two or three months. even for being a dick father that seems excessive.

Same, actually.

I can absolutely see John leaving Dean there to “teach him a lesson.” That kind of tough love/you-made-your-bed-now-lie-in-it bullshit was super popular throughout the 70s, 80s, and 90s, especially with fathers, bonus points if they’d been in the military. When kids got arrested for trivial, garden-variety delinquency, it wasn’t out of the ordinary for their parents to decide they should “think about what they’ve done” for a couple of days.

For a couple of days. I can’t really see John leaving Dean there for two full months, basically because it would’ve been inconvenient for him. Dean was sixteen(ish) in the Bad Boys flashbacks, which is about the time he “embraced the life,” according to the story he told Gordon in Bloodlust, and after Bad Boys aired, Adam Glass tweeted that the bruises on Dean’s arms really were from a werewolf. These two things tell me Dean was actively hunting by that point — as John’s emergency backup, if not his full-time partner. Leaving Dean at Sonny’s for two months meant sixty days when he couldn’t hunt, and we all know hunting was John’s first and main priority.

anonymous asked:

"context is fucking important" okay i get what you're saying, but Harry was still abused, regardless of when it happened.

Nonny I don’t think you get what I’m saying at all, because Harry was absolutely abused and I never implied otherwise.

What I said was: people who make posts saying “I can’t believe no one notified the authorities” are being unrealistic because as the last commenter on that post explained, the time period makes it very unlikely that anyone would have. People in Harry’s daily acquaintance wouldn’t have found his appearance remarkable. And, on the off chance that someone had, and the bigger off chance that this someone would’ve reported it — beyond what the commenter said, the 80s and 90s were still a time when people didn’t like to “meddle,” and considered what happened behind closed doors “private business,” particularly in middle-class neighborhoods — the Dursleys would’ve been given an extremely cursory examination there is almost zero probability that Harry would’ve been taken away. Back then, abuse amounted to excessive physical injury and the definition of neglect was nebulous at best.

This is the same reason why I always do a double-take at posts that say someone should’ve called the cops on John Winchester. Don’t get me wrong, here: John was the worst, but Sam and Dean were clean, clothed, and outwardly healthy, so no one would’ve looked at them twice. And, if you take the absurdity of hunting out of the equation, many of the things John did — leaving the boys alone to go to work, having unrealistic and age-inappropriate expectations for Dean as the oldest to “be the man of the house” while he was gone, expecting the boys to follow his directions without question, leaving Dean at Sonny’s to “teach him a lesson,” not prioritizing the boys’ educations, cutting Sam off when he chose Stanford over the family business — wouldn’t have raised any eyebrows either. Also, them living on the road wouldn’t have necessarily caused concern. John told everyone he was a mechanic. America went through a recession in the early 90s, and this forced a lot of people in “blue-collar” trades to live journeyman existences to get by.