I often see it stated that Northerners will somehow see Dany in the same way as they saw Talisa. Now I have nothing against Talisa. She was a good person with a good heart working to help people so far from home, and never deserved to die in a horrible way. But Robb made a major political error by marrying her and the North paid a severe price for that error at the Red Wedding. As a consequence of this, some Northerners continue to call her a “whore” etc., even though we saw no such behavior from her. But I am not sure why it is held that Northerners will view Dany this way.
1) We don’t even know if Jon and Dany’s romantic relationship will be widely known, especially at the beginning. As far as they might know, it is a purely political/military arrangement which is required by pragmatism. There is actually a very strong argument that it is the pragmatically best choice.
2) The “foreign whore” slander may be used by Cersei, but the Northerners have never used it on Dany (they have on Talisa because they have horrible memories associated with what followed). Their main fear was that Jon would be trapped and killed like his uncle and grandfather were, and that the invitations made by a Targaryen could not be trusted. If he comes back with her safe and sound then those fears were clearly unfounded.
3) The main issue in the case of Talisa was that Robb was already committed to marrying someone else, and this marriage lost him a major chunk of his army and made him a powerful new enemy. Jon is not committed to marrying anyone, the Night King and Cersei are already known enemies so no new enemies are being made, and he is bringing the most powerful military force in Westeros to help them, also turning a potential enemy into a friend rather than a friend into an enemy due to a broken promise.
What Jon has done, has been to essentially move the North back to the political state it had under his father Ned Stark. Ned Stark was Warden under Robert Baratheon (a far worse ruler than Dany). Before that the Starks were Wardens of the North for nearly three centuries under the Targaryens. This was a position with immense power and autonomy. Daenerys does not intend to rule the North directly from Winterfell. Her very first offer to Jon was to make him Warden of the North. The Starks will still run the North from Winterfell as they have generally done for most of the past three centuries. I don’t think the North remembers those as dark times. Northern independence was first and foremost a rebellion against the Lannister dominated Iron Throne. When Jon was declared King it was again after ousting the Lannister supported Boltons. It was also in protest against Southerners demanding Northern loyalty but treating the North as if it didn’t matter. Daenerys is fighting for the North. She just put her war on hold and brought her entire strength North to fight for them. She might even marry their chosen King (now Warden) soon, something that signifies the strongest form of alliance and something the Targaryens haven’t done with the Starks in centuries (despite the old “Pact of Ice and Fire” which the Targaryens still have to fulfill, even though Rhaenyra’s descendants have held the throne ever since the Dance.
Moreover, how committed to independence are the Northern Lords? They seem even more committed to saving their own hides. The Umbers declared Robb King and called for independence. Yet they fought for the Boltons (who were Wardens for the Lannisters). The Karstarks, another large house, also supported the Boltons. So these were explicitly against independence. When Jon and Sansa went from place to place to ask Northern lords to help them fight the Boltons (i.e. fight for Northern independence, as before Dany coming to Westeros, removing the Boltons meant independence) the lords slammed the door in their faces. Only a few minor houses (e.g. Mormont, Hornwood etc.) helped. The greatest help (in the North) for their cause came from the Wildlings, and the leader of the Wildlings (Tormund) clearly has no objection to Jon bending the knee. Now we are to believe that the lords who preferred to avoid raising a finger for independence when their help was desperately needed will have the temerity to question the hero of the independence struggle (yeah the whole struggle, not just the final battle) when he concluded that bending the knee was better? They might have better right to this if they had actually struggled for independence rather than accept Bolton/Lannister supremacy until its end had already happened due to Jon’s forces and the Vale’s intervention.
Finally, consider this statement from Catelyn Stark in ASOS
“If you had to fall into a woman’s arms, my son, why couldn’t they have been Margaery Tyrell’s? The wealth and power of Highgarden could have made all the difference in the fighting yet to come. And perhaps Grey Wind would have liked the smell of her as well.”
Under that logic Jon has done very well indeed. He’s fallen into the arms of Daenerys Targaryen, and that may very well be what makes the crucial difference here.
Can’t believe I’m posting this… This came out after me watching Harry Potter and I’m so obsessed with Game of Thrones/asoiaf that I see it in everything, and after that Dumbledore/Harry scene, I just thought: Dany keeps imagining what her brother was like, she hears so many opinions of him and the histories seem to never quite match. How about him showing up to her in the gates of the after life? I hope you guys liked it.
I posted this at Archive of Our Own too, click here to here it.
She has a choice to make: rest with her past, or fight for her future. The one person she never expected shows Daenerys what she means to those she has loved, loves and will love someday, and no less important, those who loved her.
What was this place?
It looked a lot like the Throne Room she heard so much about, Viserys would tell her the tales of the dragon skulls disposed on the way to their glorious seat. A thousand swords melted into it.
The same Throne Room she saw at the House of the Undying, except there snow had melted, it was a beautiful sunny day outside, and she could hear children playing somewhere, the Long Night was nothing but a bad dream.
She wasn’t alone. She felt watched, nothing like she did growing up, when her and Viserys were being chased by the Usurpers assassins; but as she was being looked upon, from a close distance.
“My beautiful sister”, she turned around to see a tall, strong, kind-faced version of her foolish brother, somehow she knew it wasn’t that brother.
Was she dead, then?
“Rhaegar?” Dany was confused.
“You’ve grown into a fine young woman, Dany. Our Lady Mother would be proud of you, I am sure she is.” He approached, but she could not move, she could only feel the tears in her eyes.
“Don’t cry, little sister. You already cried so much. You are not alone now.” He smiled and she could hold it no longer, the tears strolled down her face. She felt his arms around her and that’s when she found her voice.
“I always dreamed about you. Wondered what my life would be like If it was you beside me, protecting me, not Viserys.” He let her go but he held her hand.
“They say when a Targaryen is born, the Gods toss a coin. Our brother was graced with our family’s madness, naught of our strenght, like yourself.” He smiled at her.
“Am I dead?” Dany thought of Jon, leaving him behind would be so unfair. And her dragons, her children would have Jon but she would miss them.
“Do you want to be dead?” Rhaegar let go of her hand, and walked towards the Throne, she followed.
“Do I get to choose?” Somehow she found it hard to believe. He turned around and smiled at her.
“There’s always a choice.” He answered.
“I didn’t always have a choice.” It was almost a whisper.
“I didn’t have a choice when I was exiled to live across the Narrow sea, without safety, kindness and anything but a name and assassins after me and Viserys. I didn’t have a choice when I was forced to leave behind my lemon tree and my red door.” The tears ran free now, and her voice grew louder and stronger.
“I didn’t have a choice when Viserys sold me, like a broodmare. And I definitely didn’t have a choice when I was all alone in the world and I had nothing to go on with but I still couldn’t give up, not for my children, not for my people, not for my house, I could never never look back, or I was lost.” It felt like the pain of a lifetime was flowing out of her, alongside the tears and she was shaking.
The skies seemed to darken, like a storm was coming, and the children no longer played so loud, like they were further away.
“You did so much more than many of our House ever did, little sister. You did more than any men ever have, you freed slaves, gave them a new life, a second chance. Now It’s time you have one of your own. You can come with me, and rest in peace. You’ll be with Drogo, Rhaego, Viserion and Mother today. I will be there with you too. But you can also stay: You’ll continue to hurt, you will still lose people you love, but you will get far more than you ever hoped it was possible. Jon is praying for you, and my son haven’t prayed in a very long time. I can’t tell you what comes, but I can say no matter what you chose, we will be here, watching over you. You were never alone, little one.” He was holding her hand and it was hard to look back, to go back to the war, to the pain and the fear of losing so much more than she already had.
You were the Mother Of Dragons, Daughter of Death, Slayer of Lies, Bride of Fire. Now you can chose: come with me, leave this pain behind or continue to be so, and rebuild this world, you’ll have Jon beside you. Whatever choice you make, you are alone in the world no more.” He said.
“Who are these children playing outside?” She asked him.
“Aegon and Rhaenys, Rhaego is playing with them too. Our Lady Mother longs to see you, but she will wait how long it takes for your arrival, Dany. There are three other children playing there, waiting for their time to ascend. Another choice for you to make. My son would survive without you, but I can assure you, he would never be truly happy, Daenerys. Would you be happy here, with us, waiting for his old age?”
She could be with her family, in peace, today. But she wouldn’t be with Jon. He was praying for her. She was praying for him too. His embraces, his voice, his love.
How could she ever imagine, in her wildest dreams, that stubborn northern self-called King would come to own her heart and soul? To be a dragon such as herself, heal her bruised hopes of love and happiness, her bruised heart?
I can’t stay here, I can’t leave him.
She saw her eyes mirrowed in her brothers when she looked up, and she knew he knew her answer.
“I was wrong, dear sister. About so many things. But yours is the song of ice and fire, and the dawn awaits you.” He kissed her hands, and before she could blink or even breathe, it was all darkness.
Dany, please, don’t leave me. I can’t do this without you.
I need you.
Jon was crying, holding her in his arms. Somewhere she could hear Drogon and Rhaegal screech.
Jon is praying for you, and my son haven’t prayed in a very long time.
She could remember the words, but the face was fading, like a distant dream.
You do not have to pray anymore, my love. I can look back now, I am not lost, I am found. I will never leave you, as long as I have a choice.
Then, she opened her eyes.
So…? This is kind of a series, I posted this at AO3 too…Another one coming up, soon. <3
I’m okay with them having crazy ass convos. I just want Jon explain things to Dany that she might not get or understand cause she’s new to the culture or westros and stuff. And she always have this confused and awe look. And Jon just looks at her with puppy eyes cause he likes how confused she is. 😂
Tbh at this point I don’t care what happens to the world or who has the throne as a long as Dany and Jon end up happily married and with kids. It saddens me how much she wants a home and kids, even when she was married to Hizdar in the books, a person she loathed and always had unsatisfactory sex with, she would hope his seed would take. And all Jon has ever done is fight for everyone else, he deserves happiness too. It just breaks my heart, they deserve some peace 😭
Chapters: 9/? Fandom: Game of Thrones RPF, Game of Thrones (TV) Rating: Mature Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings Relationships: Emilia Clarke/Kit Harington Characters: Emilia Clarke, Kit Harington, Liam Cunningham, Gwendoline Christie, Nathalie Emmanuel, Lena Headey, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Jacob Anderson, John Bradley, Maisie Williams, Rose Leslie, Peter Dinklage, Sophia Turner, Pilou Asbæk, Alfie Allen Additional Tags: Romance, Slow Burn, Drama, Feelings, Friendship, Forbidden Love, Falling In Love, Sex, Affairs, Fluff and Angst, Smut Summary:
“I think they both know it’s wrong. I think they both know it’s going to cause problems. But it’s that thing, when you suddenly feel that deeply about someone, and you go through those events together, it’s like a runaway train. You can’t stop it from happening.”
Emilia is left rattled after her name appears in the tabloids alongside her co-star Kit and his girlfriend Rose. Kit realizes that something is up and begins probing and questioning his bestfriend. Will she confess her feelings to him? Or will he figure it out on his own?
It came to me when I was plotting a fic with Dany meeting Sam, actually.
I’m imagining modern day Jonerys where they’re still history nerds. And they have one of their first dates at an art museum, Jon’s idea. Both of them go into the date thinking that they’re going to impress the other with their extensive knowledge of art history, because that’s one of the usual tactics when they’re hitting on someone.
But, when they get there, they’re both kind of taken aback at how knowledgeable the other is. At first, they start out like “Wow, this person knows so much.” Then, it quickly turns into a competition. They’re just trying to out-history-smart each other like
“Oh yeah, that painting was created in 1845.”
“Yeah, but it was commissioned in 1820…”
“By the Earl of Su…”
“Sussex as a …”
“Wedding gift, I was going to say that.”
They go back and forth like that over several pieces of art before they realize by the end how ridiculous they are (and people are staring at them). So, they just laugh it off and accept that they’re both just really freaking smart.
Anyway, this is what I think about in traffic. I just love the idea that these two beautiful, badass characters are also massive nerds. I might this one to add to my growing modern Jonerys fic arsenal.
Jon stared at the phone as it lay on Daenerys’ coffee table. Another message, I told you to stay away from her. Jon felt himself going crazy. Who is so ridiculously pathetic that they’d send threatening messages like this? Daenerys’ hands were on her face, worry and weariness getting the both of them down. He didn’t think that Daario had done it, but here as Jon, Daenerys, Jorah and Daario much to Jon’s annoyance looked at the phone as the message shines on the screen, he still felt a small part of him blame him. And that part would not be silenced.
“So this has been happening and you didn’t think to consult me?” Daario was angry. Jon didn’t have time for that.
“I thought you were the one sending the message, I wasn’t exactly going to go to you with the issue” Daario looked insulted.
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