Many years before that, one of the boys came down with the pox. Maester Luwin said if he made it through the night, he’d live. But it would be a very long night. So I sat with him all through the darkness, listened to his ragged little breaths, his coughing, his whimpering.
Jon Snow. When my husband brought that baby home from the war, I couldn’t bear to look at him, didn’t want to see those brown stranger’s eyes staring at me. So I prayed to the gods “Take him away, make him die”. He got the pox and I knew I was the worst woman who ever lived. A murderer. I’d condemned this poor, innocent child to a horrible death all because I was jealous of his mother, a woman he didn’t even know!
We turn to Sansa at Winterfell, and she undermines Jon a couple of times in the episode, and -
Bryan Cogman: She’s ‘undermining’ him?
I mean, so?
He’s only been king like a week.
And everyone’s like, 'oh, she’s undermining him in public’?
Well, let’s think about it for a second.
He has just walked in there and said that Aegon T@rgaryen’s daughter has arrived with what are essentially nukes, invited him to come down, and he’s going to go.
It’s a crazy, risky plan!
And his reasoning is sound, but her reasoning for being like 'what the hell is wrong with you?’ is sound too. And why shouldn’t she raise it there, you know, he didn’t bother to consult her in private before the meeting.
So I feel like ( I get defensive of her) also, this is something that’s important to remember, she’s just a kid.
He’s a kid.
They’re kids thrust into these leadership positions.
And it’s messy, and their relationship as brother and sister is messy and complicated.
So I guess she could have used some more tact, but A) it’s not as fun to write or perform, and B) she loves him, she thinks he’s risking his life. The last T@rgaryen that summoned a Stark, as she points out quite correctly, roasted said Stark alive in his own armor.
So BC disagreed that Sansa can be described as attempting to “undermine” Jon and this was not the writers’ intention ( he wrote ep 7x02) and I’m really thankful that he confirmed our (I mean, jonsa fandom) view on this matter.
Also, he described Jon and Sansa brother and sister relationship as “messy and complicated”…
Imagine how much more complicated it will be when they knew about R+L=J.
P.S. I already liked him for saying that he really loves their relationship that developed over season 6 and continues into season 7 during the ep 7x02 commentary when he also gave us the “take care of her, watch over her for me” quote and now I like him even more.
P.P.S. Nice to know that the writers haven’t forgotten what dragons really are: they are essentially nukes
It is 100% a Fact That Jon Snow Was Invited to Dragonstone Under False Pretenses!
Y’all I spent some time rewatching some Jon and Sansa scenes and I just want to proudly say that Sansa Stark is the smartest bitch in this game and once again I’m so blown away by her!!!
Now that that’s out of the way let me dive into this meta:
There has been so much debate on weather or not Jon was a prisoner/trapped at Dragonstone and I’m here to tell you that he was. I mean honestly when the debates were going on I was super indifferent about it but I came across dialogue in season 7 that completely went over my head. Before I talk about the scene, one thing I want to make clear is that Tyrion wrote a a letter to Jon Snow under the pretense that they would be ALLIES, NOT TO BEND THE KNEE! Don’t believeme? Here’s what that scroll said:
The Seven Kingdoms bleed as long as Cersei sits on the Iron Throne. Join us! TOGETHER we can end her tyranny!
This letter is completely different from the one Cersei sends in the first episode of season 7. In Cersei’s scroll she clearly says:
BEND THE KNEE or suffer the fate of all traitors!
Her intent is absolutely clear and in Tyrion’s it’s not! The reason why Tyrion wrote the letter under this false pretense is that he knew if he was clear about Dany’s intentions of inviting him to Dragonstone he wouldn’t have come.
Dragon glass or not if Jon knew that Dany would want him to bend the knee he wouldn’t have gone!!!
That might be a bold statement for some but it’s the truth and here’s why:
Jon: It could be, but I DON’T BELIEVE TYRION WOULD DO THAT. You know him he’s a good man!
First and foremost I just want to point out that this is TWO seasons now were Sansa (who is so fucking brilliant) explicitly warns Jon about the political games at play and BOTH TIMES she has been prove right!! So to that I say:
You best believe that in season 8 we are never going to get this moment again:
And Jon’s ass is definitely going to be like “yes dear” and “I’m listening to my sister/cousin/wife!” Because Jon has learned the hard way TWICE!!
Now Back to The Meta.
Jon naively went to Dragonstone solely on the belief that Tyrion is a good man and that he was someone Jon could trust! He truly believed that he could convince them of threat of the white walkers and gain an alliance WITHOUT giving up his kingdom! The dialogue makes the plot clear as day and most people (including me) entirely missed this plot when season 7 aired!
What Tyrion did was fucked up to say the least and I think the show was trying to subtly warn us about how we should be viewing the events in Jon and Dany’s first meeting. First we have the scenes were they strip Jon and his men of their weapons but then they give us this scene:
Jon: She’s starting to let on!
If this wasn’t the biggest WinkWink pay attention to what happens next to the audience, I don’t know what is! In the next scene Sansa’s warnings come to past and we clearly have an irritated and frustrated Jon Snow who is not only blindsided but clearly pissed off at Tyrion who deceived his ass!! Don’t believe me? Go rewatch that scene!
That’s why Daenerys and Jon’s meeting was filled with so much friction! That was the true plot that we missed in that scene and that’s why we see Jon react like this in his next interaction with Tyrion:
Right off the bat, Jon gets straight to the point and tell us how he really feels about the situation he finds himself in at Dragonstone. To summarize he says “I’m a prisoner on this island” “you took my ship” and “I’m a northern fool” for coming in the first place. Tyrion never really cops to what he did but essentially he tells Jon that she should try harder and get to know Daenerys more. Then he throws Jon a “Dragon-glass” bone to try and make up for what he did. Lol!
I say all of this to say that this was the major plot that I believe went over everyone’s head in season 7! Yes, Jon willingly went to Dragonstone to seek an alliance but he did so because he didn’t think his kingdom would ever be at stake because of his trust in Tyrion. Jon was never at Dragonstone under friendly terms or circumstances and he never had an equal status as King! That’s why in episode 5 Jon hauled ass so fast off of that island like his life depended on it.
The circumstances of this situation to me requires political Jon and makes political Jon fair game! I absolutely believe Jon went to Dragonstone with good intentions but quickly realized that Tyrion and Dany’s intentions weren’t as true as his own. Hence him being metaphorically and physically trapped at Dragonstone!