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Timeline of Daenerys’ and Jon’ births

I’ve seen some people confused about Jon’ and Daenerys’ age, so I thought I would write an explanation.

Let’s start with Aerys and Rhaella, the parents of Rhaegar and Daenerys. They married at a very young age (Aerys was 15 and Rhaella either 13 or 14). Rhaella gave birth to Rhaegar in 259 AC, at the age of either 14 or 15. Viserys was born in 276 AC, so 17 years after Rhaegar (Rhaella had many miscarriages, difficult pregnancies and stillbirths during these 17 years). 

In 282 AC Lyanna and Rhaegar disappear together - in 283 AC, the Battle of the Trident takes place and Rhaegar is killed. Few days prior to the Battle of the Trident, Aerys rapes his wife Rhaella, and that is the night when Daenerys is conceived.

Relations between Aerys and his queen had been strained during the last years of his reign. They slept apart and did their best to avoid each other during the waking hours. But whenever Aerys gave a man to the flames, Queen Rhaella would have a visitor in the night. The day he burned his mace-and-dagger Hand, Jaime and Jon Darry had stood at guard outside her bedchamber whilst the king took his pleasure.

The “mace-and-dagger” Hand is Qarlton Chelsted. Aerys burned him alive after that one discovered the wildfire plot and tried to stop it.

“Aerys’s new mace-and-dagger Hand was not utterly stupid, and with Rossart, Belis, and Garigus coming and going night and day, he became suspicious. Chelsted, that was his name, Lord Chelsted.“ It had come back to him suddenly, with the telling. “I’d thought the man craven, but the day he confronted Aerys he found some courage somewhere. He did all he could to dissuade him. He reasoned, he jested, he threatened, and finally he begged. When that failed he took off his chain of office and flung it down on the floor. Aerys burnt him alive for that, and hung his chain about the neck of Rossart, his favorite pyromancer.”

When Aerys hears that Rhaegar lost, he sends Rhaella and Viserys to Dragonstone.

"Rhaegar met Robert on the Trident, and you know what happened there. When the word reached court, Aerys packed the queen off to Dragonstone with Prince Viserys. Princess Elia would have gone as well, but he forbade it. Somehow he had gotten it in his head that Prince Lewyn must have betrayed Rhaegar on the Trident, but he thought he could keep Dorne loyal so long as he kept Elia and Aegon by his side.”

The sack of King’s Landing happens a fortnight after the Battle of the Trident, Eddard arrives to King’s Landing shortly after the Sack, and few days later he leaves for Dorne to look for Lyanna. He soon finds her, and promises to protect Jon. Jon was born in 283 AC.

Meanwhile Rhaella stays on Dragonstone (Robert’s forces didn’t try to take the castle right away) until her pregnancy reaches its term. She delivers Daenerys and dies in childbirth. Daenerys was born in 284 AC.

Jon is older than Daenerys by around 8 months.

anonymous asked:

You have really awesome meta skills. Do you think if Ned told Cat the truth about Jon (assuming R+L+J) it would have impacted her relationship with Jon in a positive way considering the Tully words and all? Or make it worst?

I think the truth would have definitely improved her relationship with Jon in some ways… but made things more difficult in other ways.

If Cat knew that Jon wasn’t Ned’s son, and that his unusual treatment wasn’t to place his status as more important than her children (because Cat could have forgiven Ned any number of bastards if they weren’t raised at Winterfell, if Jon hadn’t looked so much more like Ned than her own children did), things could have been very different. If Cat knew that Jon was Lyanna’s son and had to be protected from those who would kill any “dragonspawn”… then yes, her “family, duty, honor” motto would have come in strong on Jon’s side.

But I also have to consider that Ned would not want any hint that Jon was not his bastard. So Cat would still have to remain cool to Jon in public and not give any impression that she approved of him, and never let on to her children that Jon was not their bastard brother. But Cat would also probably feel guilty about treating him that way (the Tully motto again), and so her coolness would alternate with brief moments of warmth… And if Jon wasn’t in on the secret, that would still mess him over psychologically, unfortunately. Jon would never understand why she’d be so mercurial around him, what he’d do “right” that made Cat approve of him and be nice to him, or what he’d do “wrong” to make her hate him again.

You know, people generally speculate that Ned didn’t tell Cat the truth about Lyanna and Rhagar and Jon because he’d only known her for a very short time and wasn’t sure if he could trust her with the secret. But this what-if makes me think that it wasn’t a matter of trust, but a matter of honor — bad enough that Ned had to live this life of lies, but to force his innocent wife to do so as well would have been too much. At least if he lies to her, she’s true to herself and her own emotions.

(And also there’s narrative reasons too — Ned’s own POV is the biggest reason for the R+L=J theory, no way could Cat have gone 3 books and not given the secret away to the reader.)

friendly reminder

- Sansa didn’t tell Jon about the Knights of the Vale because she had no idea they were coming - the last time she saw Littlefinger, he was crossed off of her Christmas list

- Sansa didn’t tell Jon about the Knights of the Vale because Jon is a battle commander, not a strategist, and he would have waited for the Knights, which may have ended up with them being potentially slaughtered anyway, which would have meant Sansa owed Littlefinger… For nothing

- Sansa didn’t tell Jon about the Knights of the Vale because, even if Littlefinger did send a confirmation via raven, Littlefinger is the one who taught her not to trust anyone

- Sansa didn’t tell Jon about the Knights of the Vale because, even if just partly, she has to remind the North that she’s not her mother and Jon is not Robb. She is not a ‘weakness’. She will not undermine Jon’s authority. 

- Sansa didn’t tell Jon about the Knights of the Vale because she’s a Stark, and will always be a Stark, and since when do the wolves have to justify themselves to anyone?

- Sansa didn’t tell Jon about the Knights of the Vale because she is fighting for her home back after spending six seasons fighting for her life, she didn’t tell him because she can’t bear to be wrong again, because this time she cannot afford to lose

- BONUS: Sansa didn’t want Rickon to die. She wanted to help him. But she sees Shaggywolf’s head and it reminds her of what was done to Robb. How he was ridiculed in King’s Landing. How she saw her father’s head on a spike and, let’s not forget, feels as if it arrived there because of what she asked him to do. She was riling Jon before, yes, but she wanted to save her brother. But she sees Shaggydog and she’s reminded that House Stark has been butchered for less than taking back their home, and she’d rather take back Winterfell and bury Rickon where he belongs than lose him for nothing

- tl;dr: Sansa didn’t tell Jon anything because she’s not Robb - she’s smarter than that, and if she hadn’t been, the Stark banners wouldn’t be hanging over Winterfell

Jon Snow & his parents...

This is short, but obviously, don’t read any of it if you haven’t seen last night’s episode.  

But y'all, I’m so over the uselessness!  It’s not enough to have Bran rambling like a fortune cookie and imparting no worthwhile information, now we have Samwell Tarly – clearly one of the more focused, intelligent, and useful characters on the show – literally steamrolling over the most important line we’ve had in seven seasons.  Rhaegar Targaryen was married to Lyanna Stark.  That means Jon Snow isn’t a bastard.  He’s Jon Targaryen, the rightful ruler of the Seven Kingdoms.  And I’m not here for that at all so.

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Anon said:

I don’t think rereading the book will give you a huge dose of reality, because I think you may see how the Starks were the only one that did prepare their children. You just need to keep in mind that there is no way to prepare anyone when the laws of gods and men are thrown away and everyone does as they please with no regard for the consequences. I think the fact that the only way anyone has been able to take down the Starks is sinking to all time new lows and betrayals does show that Winterfell did something right in preparing these children. Ned wanted his children to be children for as long as possible, but chaos cannot be prepared for.  Ned’s legacy ultimately will helped them restore the North, but we have to keep in mind how incredibly young most of the Stark were at the beginning and Sansa and Robb both did incredibly well when they tried to save their father’s life and if Joffrey hadn’t been reckless, they would have succeeded. However, Ned seemed to care too much for his children as children in a world that doesn’t value emotional well-being. His moments in which he comforts and assures Catelyn and Arya suggest that he is very emotionally intelligent individual.

I’m still missing the sixth part of this for some reason. Hurrah for Tumblr and its shenanigans.

Right. So I have to put off my reply to your point about Ned’s PTSD and survivor’s guilt till I finish my reread of A Game of Thrones because my memories of the details are nonexistent, so I can’t really add any worthwhile commentary to it. I do, however, have some opinions on the first couple of parts of your message so I’ll reply to those. Under the cut for length.

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anonymous asked:

What do you think the Catlyn Stark's reaction would be if she finds out Jon Snow's parents were Rhagar Targaryen and Lyanna stark?

Probably something close to abject horror. A child of Rhaegar Targaryen is a powerful potential political threat to Robert, and as we see in the novel, Robert sees red when it comes to House Targaryen. Catelyn would be furious with Ned for endangering her family, as well as for lying to her, for the standard reason that people don’t like being lied to, especially when the lie is, as Papa Bluth would say: “light treason.”

Thanks for the question, Anon.

SomethingLikeALawyer, Hand of the King

  • What she says: I'm fine.
  • What she means: WHY DID SANSA MAKE UP THAT KISS WITH SANDOR?? IT'S NEVER BEEN EXPLAINED AND IT'S KILLIN ME TO HAVE WAIT FOR TWO MORE BOOKS BEFORE WE CAN EVER KNOW WHY. GEORGE R.R MARTIN SAID THE KISS "WILL EVENTUALLY MEAN SOMETHING" BUT LIKE I DON'T HAVE TIME TO WAIT FOR THAT TO BE ANSWER. I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT JON SNOW'S PARENTS AT THIS POINT I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHY SANSA IS MAKING UP FANTASIES AND DREAMING ABOUT SANDOR! I NEED ANSWERSSSS