jon he does it

theredandwhitequeen  asked:

So on game of thrones when talking about the annulment, did they say it was done in dorne? Where Elia is from and her family is? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Yeah, both the annulment and the marriage happened in Dorne. Which means that either Rhaegar set out from the start with the High Septon in tow which somehow no one knew about, or he sent for the High Septon once he made off with Lyanna, in which case I’d like to know who did he send, and how the disappearance of the High Septon went unnoticed in the capital for all that time?

Then we run into the most complicated aspect: on what grounds did the High Septon grant an annulment? Elia and Rhaegar’s marriage was consummated and legal, making it hard for it to qualify for annulment. It’s not impossible to annul a consummated marriage mind you: Tywin managed to get Tyrion and Tysha’s marriage annulled after consummation (probably by claiming fraud and\or contesting Tyrion’s consent being that he was a minor and did not acquire his guardian’s permission, and giving some healthy bribes to ease any complications) Aegon V also tried to get Prince Duncan the Small to set Jenny of Oldstones aside, presumably after the marriage was consummated, so that suggests that there are some grounds that permit the nullification of a consummated union (or at least a divorce? This is where things get murky because GRRM says that divorce isn’t common in Westeros, which suggests that it could happen albeit rarely and under very exceptional circumstances, hence why we saw extreme actions like forcing a wife into nunnery or accusing her of adultery used to end a marriage or get rid of a wife. Perhaps this is where the distinction between setting a marriage and setting a wife aside emerges? The first is annulment but the second is a divorce? It’s worth noting, though, that we’ve never seen a divorce in the novels.) or that perhaps a person with the right influence could pressure and\or bribe either the High Septon or a Council of Faith to get an annulment to a consummated marriage.

But while Rhaegar would definitely have the clout that allows this to happen, two things stand in the way: 1) Unlike Tysha and Jenny, Elia Martell was a noblewoman, a princess of Dorne. It’s much easier to find some pretext to separate a prince from a commoner than it is to do it with a noblewoman, one who had done nothing to garner such a thing at that, and whose family would surely make a racket over the unprovoked and undeserved slight and political calamity, and 2) Unlike the two aforementioned marriages, Rhaegar and Elia’s produced two healthy children, one of whom was the heir to the throne after his father. Virtually no one would think to annul a marriage that produced heirs - an annulment means that Rhaenys and Aegon would be delegitimized, and removed from the line of succession entirely, which would make anyone extremely hesitant to annul the marriage and set such a dangerous precedent (and invite a future succession war). It also does not make sense that Rhaegar would want to make his Prince Who Was Promised a bastard when he was (I’ll be generous and say) primarily motivated by his quest for the third head of the dragon. Rhaegar thought that Aegon was the savior from the prophecy, heralded by a bleeding star and born on Dragonstone amidst salt and smoke; why in the old gods’ name would he want to make him a bastard in favor of Lyanna’s child whose role was to be supporting? That makes absolutely no sense.

Of course, there is also much and more to say about Rhaegar in such a scenario, which I don’t think the writers really noticed while writing that travesty of a storyline. This annulment thing paints Rhaegar in a much worse light than originally though: he was already barely balancing on the edge with Lyanna but this…. this means that he carelessly discarded Elia the second she ceased to be of importance for him (while she and his children by her were hostages of his father, no less), and then had the audacity to turn around and ask her kinsmen to fight to keep his throne. This means he deliberately deceived the Dornish and used Elia and the children to rob them to fight for him–to die for him–when he didn’t have the decency to show the smallest ounce of respect to the woman who risked her life to give him heirs, and threw her away as if she meant nothing for no reason whatsoever. This makes the situation with Elia and the children a per-meditated sacrifice; perhaps Rhaegar did not mean for his father to keep them as hostages, but he planned to sacrifice them for his own gain all the same. This surpasses the story of a prophecy-obsessed prince that was so focused on his three heads of the dragon that he acted carelessly and without thought to the people whose lives he impacted for a story about a cruelly calculating prince set on carelessly victimizing the wife he already put through hell, and the innocent children that should have been his to protect. That’s cruel and vile to the point of being inhuman.

But apparently, the writers thought we would cheer just because this means that Jon is legitimate? Screw that from now to eternity. That’s disgusting. They honestly think that this is a good story, that deliberately making Lyanna a replacement for Elia, and Jon for Aegon and Rhaenys, is something we’d be good with, that we’d be happy that their cheap romantic plot for Rhaegar and Lyanna furthered the dismissal of Elia and scapegoated her to the max. For the love of god, they did not even bother to say her name as if she was inconsequential to the plot because she was; the significance of that scene was solely about how Rhaegar was free to marry Lyanna and how Jon was legitimate. Elia was nothing but an obstacle in the way of that ~romantic narrative~ and now that the obstacle has been neutralized through a contrived annulment, what narrative importance could she possible hold to them? What possible importance could the entirety of Dorne hold to them? Dorne was only sexualized women and contrived revenge plots as far as they were concerned, and they can’t do either with the dead Elia, so forget about her, Elia who?

Oberyn Martell must be turning in his grave. Say her name, show. At least have the decency to acknowledge the personhood of the woman you screwed over so badly. Elia isn’t a mid-way ship in someone else’s love story, neither is she a mere obstacle that the romantic lead has to overcome before he gets his “One True Love” in reward, she is a person who deserves respect and recognition, who suffered tremendously because of the douchebaggery of Rhaegar, and who deserved better both from the in-universe characters, and from the narrative itself.

Elia Martell of Dorne. Say her name.

“I’m Unsubbing to Jontron But...” (YOUTUBER RECOMMENDATION MASTERPOST)

“…I still want to see video game reviews like the ones he does!”

-PeanutButterGamer: Follows a very similar style of game review to Jontron, but with minimal sketches, and focuses a bit more on the game itself rather than his own comedy. Less cut away gags, though the sketches that he does do are always entertaining enough to actually justify a cut away gag, something that Jontron surprisingly still has yet to perfect. His content is clean, like most of the Youtubers on this list, but clean in a sort of Tumblr level of obscure that gets a good laugh without offending anyone. To quote his Tumblr: “ I’m all for not offending people. I mean, I actively attempt to be as inoffensive as possible on videos and on social media, “. He also recently voiced his distaste for what Jon has been saying lately, a bold move, considering they work for the same company.

-BrutalMoose: Brutalmoose does both video game and TV show/movie reviews the same way Jon does, and unlike PBG, he does have a few videos with a bit more mature content in them, like his reviews of “adult” games. While he does play “mature” games from time to time, and the content/comedy of those games can be offensive, his own comedy is still clean, but on the borderline of dirty. The kind you’d see on the likes of the Simpsons. Jokes that are adult, but still don’t hurt anyone. (Also…Tumblr is kind of obsessed with the fact that he’s gay? Don’t go overboard with that info, kids.)

-SpaceHamster: If you were a fan of JonTron’s knockoff game videos, you’re gonna love SpaceHamster! He’s done multiple knockoff and rom hack compilation videos, and his humor is up there with PBG. Heck, PBG and him even game together on PBG’s side channel!


“…I still want to see movie reviews like the ones he does!”

-Nostalgia Critic: If you’re looking for completely inoffensive comedy, then Nostalgia Critic probably isn’t the first place you’re gonna want to go, but hear me out. Nostalgia Critic’s offensive content differs from JonTron’s in that not only is he self aware of what is and isn’t acceptable in comedy, he’s willing to apologize when a joke goes too far and learn from his mistakes, instead of attacking his own critics. He’s made videos discussing “the line” in comedy, does countless charity shoutouts, and started the “Where’s The Fair Use” movement, a movement created in hopes of holding YouTube accountable for taking down videos that fall under Fair Use laws. He’s a genuinely decent guy!

-CinemaSins: I feel like CinemaSins is popular enough that I hardly even need to signal boost them, but their content also falls under that “adult but harmless” category. Not only that, but they’re not afraid to call out movies like 50 Shades of Gray for being ungodly shitty.

“…I still want to see sketch comedy like the sketch comedy he does!”

-JacksFilms: Remember that guy? The Your Grammar Sucks guy? You might also know him as “the guy who made parody videos calling out both Leafy and Keemstar for being shitty uncreative people” or “the guy who has videos featuring fans art and complimenting them”. Another genuinely decent human being.

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The friend word was used a lot this issue and surprisingly no one was harmed while saying it. Progress is being made.

(Also Beast Boy’s nickname for Jon is GREAT.)

if you think Jon is horrible enough to sleep with and manipulate Dany for an alliance then please unfollow me

I can’t believe I have to say this lol

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the targaryen children and their coming of age | for @adolescenceoxygen

dany: *asks Jon to kneel but he refuses it*  You … you don’t? wTF? What does that even mean? don’t you think I deserve this? You have no idea what I went through to get here, northern manbun!  I have walked in the desert, overthrown governments, faced rebellions and dealt with fuckmen everywhere. Boy, I even walked through a flaming pyre tWICE

jon:

Jon Snow, probably the most noble and level headed character on this show, almost killed Littlefinger in blind rage with his bare hands because he told him he was in love with Sansa.

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