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anonymous asked:

Hello, I'm kinda new to the Superbat fandom and I was wondering if there's a guide or something for the comics. I don't know if such thing exists but it never hurts to ask! I've never read a comic in my life, so sorry about that but I wanna start in someway. Your fic got me interest in Superbat <33 Thank you and I'm sorry for awkward question!

Ah, what a wonderful question to get!  DC Comics are daunting af, I know, so here are a few recommendations for where to start–I recommend getting trade paperbacks of these, I think most of them are still available?  Some of these are cut and pasted from an earlier post…

For a pretty full list that runs up to the reboot, you can check out my guide on LJ which covers a LOT of stuff.

  • Jeph Loeb remains the go-to writer for Superbat emotions on the old Superman/Batman title:  Public Enemies and Absolute Power especially.   His run on Batman, Hush, also has some really good Clark/Bruce moments.  He cannot plot worth a damn but he delivers the emotional goods. His Superman for All Seasons has no Bruce in it but remains one of my favorite Superman stories.
  • Frank Miller’s Dark Knight Returns is not a favorite of mine, but it’s an important read because it set the tone for a lot of the modern versions of the two.  It’s also extremely slashy in a bitter, hatesexy sort of way.
  •   World’s Finest #282-300.  1982-1986 was a tumultuous time for comic books, and Superman and Batman briefly got very, very close before The Dark Knight came out and shifted the paradigm on their friendship.  This run of the World’s Finest title is…well, it’s… it’s got Superman and Batman crying together as they witness the great love of mating space worms. It’s got Superman almost murdering Barry Allen for implying Bruce might be dead, and saving him from mind control through the power of hugs.  It’s got Clark crying a single manly tear because Bruce won’t talk to him anymore, and Bruce sadly caressing a picture of the two of them.  Seriously, it’s…it’s worth a read if you can get it.
  • Kingdom Come by Mark Waid has its flaws, and over the years I’ve come to disagree with his characterization of Superman a bit, but it’s got a LOT of very good interactions between an older, sadder Clark and Bruce.  It’s kind of Waid’s answer to The Dark Knight, and features a different kind of rift between them, but one that turns out to be mendable.  I had to read it with Wikipedia open, though, because it’s got a HUGE cast.
  • Waid and Morrison’s runs on the JLA title, especially the “Tower of Babel,” “Divided We Fall,” and “World War III,” storylines, have a lot of good interactions between Superman and Batman.
  • Emperor Joker by Jeph Loeb is a hot mess of a comic book–tons of random characters and an even more random plot–but oh, the hurt/comfort, angst, and suffering for each other!  Yes, worth a read.
  • If you can ever get your hands on Shogun of Steel–an Elseworld AU in which Bruce is a gender-swapped ninja, with canonical romance between “Bruce” and Clark–please do so.
  • You can read most of “The Trust” at the link–it’s a short story about their relationship, short and (very) sweet (if you find sweet “I would totally use a gun to murder you rather than let you hurt people, Clark.”  Which I do).
  • In current comic books, the recently-ended Batman/Superman title had some really good moments in it and also had beautiful, very abstract art.
  • Max Landis’s American Alien had some very good Clark/Bruce content.
  • The Supersons title that’s currently ongoing is probably your best bet for Clark/Bruce content in an ongoing title.  The focus is on Jon and Damian, but their fathers’ solid friendship is always presented as a contrast to their pricklier alliance.

Feel free to drop me an ask if you want any more details!  I’m always happy to talk about Clark and Bruce!

betaetathetahata  asked:

Can you elaborate on Bruce being the "Great Manipulator"? I'm still working my way through 00's Batman comics (mainly Cass Batgirl), but I do remember that being displayed in Steph's issue of Gotham Knights. Any other key examples?

Early 2000s Bruce was kinda this… extreme version of a control freak that is hard to rationalize. 

* Refused to accept Spoiler despite her work with Robin. Forbade Robin from revealing his secret identity to her despite him knowing hers and them dating and being pretty serious. Then decided to train her and that she could know Robin’s identity… which he told her without consulting Tim???

* Put up this ridiculous test which involved mentally tormenting Tim to the point that he questioned if he was going crazy, had to investigate every one of his most trusted friends and families in fear that they were going to be some ominous traitor only to realize Bruce had set the whole thing up as a “test” because Tim – who has innate trust issues, lost one of his parents already, and was dealing with incredible anxiety – was apparently “too trusting” in Bruce’s opinion.

* His treatment of Helena Bertinelli deserves its own essay.

* In the middle of training Spoiler, randomly decided to kick her out of the family for failing a test he eerily set up just like with Tim (and this was the same week she had gotten the news her father had died), and it was set up so that she was doomed to fail. Then, even though she figured it out by the end, he kicked her out and tried to order Tim (her boyfriend) and Cass (her best friend) to not have anything to do with her.

* All but admits to Alfred that, after Tim quit being Robin, Bruce let Stephanie become Robin in a play to make Tim jealous and want to come back. 

* This was around the same time that the Tower of Babel happened in the JLA where it’s revealed that Bruce’s secret, in-depth plans on how to take out every member of the Justice League end up in enemy hands and used against them all. The entire League feels betrayed, primarily because they’re not against contingency plans but against the fact that Bruce would make it his own business to do so without consulting any of them

*Having not learned a goddamn thing about the previous story, Bruce builds Brother Eye which leads to the Infinite Crisis disaster and the deaths of hundreds of civilians and heroes alike. Because Bruce wanted surveillance on everyone. Y’know. Without warrant or cause. Because that idea needed more support in the wake of the Patriot Act and the Bush years here in America. 

*Jim gets shot and has to retire, leading to a new Commissioner for the GCPD – handpicked by Jim himself and a pretty standup guy. Bruce literally pouts and throws a fit and basically refuses to work with the new Commissioner out of spite. This will lead to an even ROCKIER relationship with the GCPD without either Jim or Harvey around to broker for Batman and eventually leads to the animosity of the Gotham Gang Wars and its aftermath where Bruce and the Batfamily were made out to be pretty much villains in the eyes of the cops. 

*The Gotham Gang War was all based on his own plans that Stephanie tried to execute by herself to prove herself to him after the abuse and misuse she had experienced above and being “fired” as Robin for…. a mistake??? It wasn’t even really a mistake. I have reread that issue multiple times, what happened made no sense. 

*He refuses to help Cass establish a civilian identity and actively works against Barbara’s attempts to get Cass to take the idea seriously because he thinks it’s fine for her to have no personal life, and also refuses to acknowledge her suicidal tendencies and death wish. This is revealed to be because he ADMITS that he prefers having her available 24/7 and in any identity as his own weapon (literally the line separating him from Cain at that point was threadbare) 

* AFTER Cass resolves her death wish problem and comes to embrace her life, Bruce fires her and tells her she’s done a bad job, though supposedly his “intention” is that he wants her to be happy and live a civilian life which he sets up for her after firing her, but it only leads to Cass breaking down and for Barbara to have to pick up the pieces and be responsible for emotionally healing her. He does not apologize for any of this bt gets forgiven anyway. For some reason.

And like. A million other things. I didn’t even get into Bruce Wayne:Murderer?/Fugitive storyline which deserves an essay on Bruce’s bullshit. 

aka 2000s Bruce is like. The literal worst. 

Six Reasons on why Natasha Romanoff is Bamf.

This came about because I read a post a while back where my favorite Avenger was being hated on. Apparently said person (I’m not going to name said person) doesn’t understand why Natasha is so feared and revered in the movies. So I’m typing this now so people understand why Natalia Alianovna Romanova is so feared and respected like she is (and should be) in MCU.

  1. She has pulled a Batman on the Avengers. In the comic “JLA: Tower of Babel” (that later became a animated movie known as “Justice League: Doom.”) Batman has secretly made records of his fellow team-mates’ strengths and weaknesses. In the comic “Black Widow: The name of a Rose” Black Widow has done the exact same thing.
  2. It was hinted in the comics but never confirmed that Natasha is related to the last ruling Czars of Russia.
  3. You know how some fans want to actually date this character, that character, or even both? Natasha has dated Tony Stark, James “Bucky” Barnes, Bruce Banner, Clint Barton, Matt Murdock, dated and had a son, James Rogers, with Steve Rogers.
  4. In the comics Natasha is roughly about eight years younger than Steve Rogers, she’s been trained along side Wolverine and trained bythe Winter Soldier, she’s has a weaker version of the Super Soldier Serum in her and has been subjected bio-technological and psycho-technological enhancement. 
  5. She’s known for being one of the world’s greatest spies, a seducer of men, and a master of disguises.

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Where to start reading Wonder Woman?

With WW you can either start with older comics or more modern ones, if you start with older comics first read All Star Comics #8 then continue

  • Sensations Comics vol.1 1-48
  • Wonder Woman vol.1 (especially #98, 105, 115, 127, 133, 141, 157, 159, 166, 179, 200, 204, 206, 212-222, 223, 229, 270-271, 275, 287-289, 291, 297-299, 308, 310, 322, 329)
  • Superman #199
  • Superman’s Girlfriend Lois Lane #93
  • The Brave and the Bold #87, 105, 131
  • Justice League of America vol.1 (especially #1-17, 69, 71-80, 195-197, 202-205)
  • World’s Finest #204, 251, 252
  • Adventure Comics #460, 461
  • DC Comics Presents #41
  • Crisis on infinite Earths 9-12

now for more modern comics start with

  • Wonder Woman vol. 2 (especially #1, 3, 13, 15-62, 171-177, 168-169, 195-226, Annual #1-2)
  • Wonder Woman Special #1
  • Action Comics #600
  • JLA vol.1 (especially tower of babel, the tenth circle)
  • JLA Secret Files and Origins
  • Wonder Woman Secret Files
  • JLA: A league of One
  • Spirit of Truth
  • Wonder Woman: The Hiketeia
  • Wonder Woman vol. 3(especially #14-44, 600)
  • Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman: Trinity
  • Justice League of America: When Worlds Collide

Also check out Justice League of America: The Nail and Kingdome Come.

If you think I missed something let me know and I’ll update the list

anonymous asked:

do you have any suggestions for 'must reads' for Superman, Batman, and Superman/Batman? I'm trying to build up my collection (have a few like Hush, All-Star Superman, DKR already) thanks!

OK, here are a few perhaps lesser-known but awesome Superman/Batman reads!  For a pretty darn detailed guide to a LOT of different titles between 1982-2009, feel free to check out my LJ!  But here are a few standouts…

1.  World’s Finest #282-300.  1982-1986 was a tumultuous time for comic books, and Superman and Batman briefly got very, very close before The Dark Knight came out and shifted the paradigm on their friendship.  This run of the World’s Finest title is…well, it’s… it’s got Superman and Batman crying together as they witness the great love of mating space worms. It’s got Superman almost murdering Barry Allen for implying Bruce might be dead, and saving him from mind control through the power of hugs.  It’s got Clark crying a single manly tear because Bruce won’t talk to him anymore, and Bruce sadly caressing a picture of the two of them.  Seriously, it’s…it’s worth a read if you can get it.

2.  Kingdom Come by Mark Waid has its flaws, and over the years I’ve come to disagree with his characterization of Superman a bit, but it’s got a LOT of very good interactions between an older, sadder Clark and Bruce.  It’s kind of Waid’s answer to The Dark Knight, and features a different kind of rift between them, but one that turns out to be mendable.

3.  Waid and Morrison’s runs on the JLA title, especially the “Tower of Babel,” “Divided We Fall,” and “World War III,” storylines, have a lot of good interactions between Superman and Batman.

4.  Emperor Joker by Jeph Loeb is a hot mess of a comic book–tons of random characters and an even more random plot–but oh, the hurt/comfort, angst, and suffering for each other!  Yes, worth a read.

5.  If you can ever get your hands on Shogun of Steel–an Elseworld AU in which Bruce is a gender-swapped ninja, with canonical romance between “Bruce” and Clark–please do so.

6.  You can read most of “The Trust” at the link–it’s a short story about their relationship, short and (very) sweet (if you find sweet “I would totally use a gun to murder you rather than let you hurt people, Clark.”  Which I do).