Everyone seems to be buzzing about "Together or Not at All" having something to do with a Fitzsimmons-similar relationship in Dr. Who. For those of us who love Fitzsimmons but have never seen DW, can you explain why this particular set of words as an episode title is significant? I looked up the DW relationship on Wikipedia, so I understand the FS similarities, but I just don't understand the significance of the phrase itself - was it a DW episode title, a character's line... what was it?
Yeah there is a reason some of us are all
With that particular Title. So I went to the wonderful @eclecticmuses who could explain the Dr. Who side of it better than I ever could.
It was a character’s line, spoken by Amy Pond to Rory Williams in The Angels Take Manhattan, the episode which saw them exit the show.
It’s a hugely important line, which I will try to explain here: - when Amy and Rory were first introduced in season 5, they were dating but Amy referred to him as her ‘sort-of boyfriend’ in front of the Doctor, much to Rory’s chagrin. In fact, a large part of their storyline that season dealt with Amy’s commitment issues and Rory’s insecurity that she loved the Doctor more than she loved him. The season ended with them getting married and running away with the Doctor together. - in The Angels Take Manhattan, Rory is sent back in time by a Weeping Angel.
A pretty infamous DW creature that does what it says on the tin (feeds by sending victims irretrievably into the past).
Amy and the Doctor find him again in the present, but he’s old and on his deathbed. They manage to go back to the past and find him where the Angel sent him, and Rory determines that if he commits suicide by jumping off the roof of a building, he’ll disrupt the paradox the Angels created by sending him back, thus resetting the timelines and fixing everything. Something like that. - except Amy is not certain it will work. She doesn’t want to risk losing him completely.
That’s when she climbs up on the ledge beside him and says that if he jumps, she jumps with him. “Together or not at all.” -
This is pretty heavy, right? She’s not letting him go alone, she’s going with him. She’s risking giving up her life alongside his because she doesn’t want to be without him.
I think Amy’s line carries a lot of weight largely because in 2.5 seasons she went from ‘sort-of boyfriend’ to ‘together or not at all’. CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT.
Amy and Rory went through a LOT of shit together, stuff that could have torn them apart, and nearly did, but instead it only brought them closer, until they became the literal do-or-die committed couple we saw them leave as. - there’s where we see the FS parallels, and why we’re freaking out so much over the title of 5x07 being Together or Not At All.
Yeah it probably references the entire team, but it is SUCH an important phrase to the Amy/Rory ship—much like our ‘beside each other the whole damn time’, ‘for her’, ‘never want to be without him’, etc—that we probably can’t help but look at it and say, but what if it gets applied to FS specifically as well?
Hope this clears things up a bit. And if you want to watch the specific scene in question, HERE
So like eclecticmuses said and I agree this bigger issue considering the timing of the episode and where I see it falling in the arc is that its more of “its time to get the band back together” and we are all going home and we are going to do it together. I can very much see there being a chance for some but not everyone to go and its the team not letting that happen, they just got back together kind of thing and no one is getting left behind. It could also speak to the Humans on the Lighthouse coming together in order to fight back against the Kree.
But Rory/Amy and Fitzsimmons parallels are too big to totally ignore here too. I feel that Fitzsimmons will have a very pivotal moment of some sort. High on my list, Jemma is finally able to talk to Fitz about everything that has happened, and that their future isn’t dead, they have a future together, and they are going to claim it/fight for it together. That she isn’t going to leave him and he’s not going to leave her. Their doubles in this episode and 6 suggest that Fitzsimmons will be in some degree of danger and it could come down to one trying to sacrifice them self for the other and yeah, that isn’t going to happen. Not when they just got each other back. Even more fun is if one of them gets to say that line, its canon that Fitzsimmons are Dr. Who fans, and Karen (AKA Amy) is Lil and Iain’s favorite companion.
The other thing I have been picking up in the cast interviews is that both Lil and Iain keep saying that Fitzsimmons work best and are better, together. We just need to hang light a little bit longer folks, they will be reunited, they will come back together, and I believe the writers will be paying off what they set up.