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History of YOI fandom

As a YOI fandom grandparent, I felt it was my duty to write out all the fandom explosions for the newer fans who weren’t there to witness the big bang and gradual week-by-week creation of this universe. All the arguments, people blowing things out of proportion, blaming characters, death theories, awesome fans clearing up miscommunications, YOI breaking the internet… 

This isn’t a post to call out specific people on their arguments and theories - I’ll stay respectfully away from restarting flames and picking fights, thankyouverymuch. Rather, this is an overview of the topics and conflicting views that swept across hundreds and thousands of people and prompted strong reactions. I’m doing this now, because I know that 6 months later, 1 year later, 3 years later, etc. there will be new fans who will have many of the same exact arguments. We’ve been there and done that. I see fans now who say things without knowing where the spelling/quote comes from, or who don’t realize how much has changed, or don’t know why there are certain perceptions of characters. So here’s a little bit of passing down history.

I also don’t want to forget the crazy ride this was. Laugh with me at the silly theories; smile with me at how deeply YOI has impacted our lives.
For those of us old-timers, let’s take a trip down memory lane. Remember when…

(Large arguments will be italicized or bold. Special thanks to @sachiro for reminding me of a bunch of stuff I missed, and looking over the draft in its various stages of being written and edited.)


  • Idea that there would be a love triangle (Yuri P.–Yuri K.–Victor)
  • Some fans started spelling Yuri Katsuki with two “u” in order to tell them apart.
  • Victuri ship name created for Victor x Yuri K. (in a comment to the PV)
  • The title
    • “lol ‘Yuri’ on Ice? Where are all the lesbians?”
    • “When it said Yuri on Ice, I thought we would get girls. Y’know what I mean?”
    • “Yuri on Ice? More like Yaoi on Ice! amiright?”
    • etc.
  • J.J. misspelling (English spelling “Jean Jack” instead of French Canadian “Jean-Jacques”)
    • you can see the remnants of this in the audience banners during the episodes, but it was corrected to “Jean-Jacques” on the official website and the in-show text
  • Phichit x Seung-gil ship created (there was more art for this than for Victor x Yuuri)

Episode 1

  • Victor vs. Viktor spelling arguments 
    • Although “Victor” is the official spelling and seen in-show, people argued that the creators are wrong and that we fans know better than them about Russian culture - thus the “Viktor” spelling was born.
    • People argued back that spelling is subjective and you can spell a name multiple ways and still be correct - thus transliterating his Russian name into English as “Victor” would be just as acceptable.
    • The YOI wiki held fast for a time on using official spellings and information from the official website, but the transition of power led to a new team that started using agreed-upon info rather than solely using official info. “Viktor” replaced “Victor” on the website.
      • this change from “Victor” to “Viktor” on the wiki happened around episode 2~3, but the arguments were in the page comments since episode 1 – with moderators explaining their reasoning with sticking to official sources.
  • Victor is a flirtatious over-the-top character who will seduce Yuuri
  • Victor is the overwhelming seme and Yuuri is the shy whimpering uke.

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anonymous asked:

What do you have against Bex? (Can u also provide evidence thanks 💜)

When I first got this ask, I was tempted to play it off as a joke and say “the fact she exists,” and leave it at that. But I feel like it’s important to stay informed. And if you genuinely don’t know, I’ll give you the complete rundown. It’s long, it’s messy, and it’s nasty, so bear with me.

First, and introduction. When I talk about Bex, I’m referring to the actress Bex Taylor-Klaus, who is the voice actor (or VA) of the character Pidge in the show Voltron Legendary Defender on Netflix.

It all began a while ago when Bex liked a comment of a picture. The picture involved a ship called Shei//th. I censored the name so it doesn’t show up in the tags of that on tumblr. But essentially it’s a ship between two characters, Takashi Shirogane, a 25 year old pilot who is the leader of the team, and Keith Kogane, one of the other “paladins” or fighters on the team. People like me find this ship to be distasteful, since Shiro is an adult, and the others are teens (it’s actually a bit messier than that, since an official Voltron source listed Keith as 18, but the producers of the show, Lauren Montgomery and Joaquim Dos Santos, said they were not consulted on the book so there’s some question as to whether it’s canon or not). Either way, the consensus by most reasonable people is that it’s probably not a healthy thing to depict in children’s media, when you consider the considerable age difference, the power imbalance (leader, senior officer with someone they are in charge of), and finally, the iconic line by the character of Keith himself when he defines their relationship as a familial one.

Nonetheless, the ship persists, as nasty things on tumblr are wont to do. There’s a lot of shipping discourse on tumblr between two distinct groups which can be labelled as “antis”–people who are not in favor of any Shiro/paladin ships, or what has become to be known as “shaladins”–people who ship any variation of Shiro with the paladins.

Here is where Bex got involved. On Instagram there was a picture of a black shoe and a red shoe together and the joke was about the shoes being a prophecy that Shei//th would be canon. A joke, mostly, considering all the evidence above. But here’s where Bex got herself in trouble. She liked a comment on the picture where someone said “Keith is a power bottom confirmed.”

Obviously, this caused a bit of an uproar within the fanbase, especially between the discourse between antis and shaladins. Shaladins were celebrating that an Official Voltron Source liked their ship, and antis were angry about that acknowledgement of the ship at all by official sources, and the sexualization of a kid’s show (more on this later.)

So of course this sparked the discourse on tumblr. One user, @lancehunks, who was receiving asks about Bex, tagged her in the replies.They were definitely unfavorable. 


and a few more. 

Bex, being the big strong, adult, woman she is, decided that she could not take this obviously grievous insult to her name [sarcasm], and decided to reblog them all and respond to them. Keep in mind, that @lancehunks was just 13 years old. And Bex (22) decided that these were appropriate responses:

Yep, you read that right. Not only an adult but employed on a kid’s show! To a 13 year old! The target audience of the very show she’s a part of! (Oh, the hypocrisy). But wait, there’s more:

Just in case you’re confused, let me tell you the many, many reasons why this is unacceptable. 

  1.  Bex is an adult. You’d think she’d be a little more mature by now just in general. It’s the internet and there are trolls.
  2. The person she was addressing was 13!!!! Do I think it was mature to tag Bex in all those posts? No. But it’s… behavior that you can expect from 13 year old’s on the internet. If we swore at and tore down every single one of them every time they did something dumb, we would need a lot more therapists for teens in the world. Plus it’s really disingenuous to pretend that we wouldn’t have done something similar when we were younger if we were in that position.
  3. Bex is famous. While she’s certainly not on the caliber of massive A-List stars like Tom Holland or Zendaya, she has a fanbase that exceeds the normal person’s friend group. Just because she’s been on TV before, she has groupies that will support her no matter what, who will troll for her, who uncritically and unconditionally worship her. I’m not a Bex fan, nor do I really care to know her well enough to know just exactly how many fans she has, to be certain she does have them. When she publicly reblogged those words, that “motherfucker,” those fighting words, she weaponized her fanbase. What I mean when I say that is her behavior gave her groupies permission to behave the same way. By targeting someone who didn’t like her (a thirteen year old!!!!!), she opened the gates to her fans and groupies doing the same thing, to a kid.

This lead to some terrible things happening. The 13 year old was getting death threats, sexual violence threats, and nsfw content, all because Bex just couldn’t let it go. 

What does this mean? Finish it? Finish the kid? If you’re so sick of the fighting, then why did you even respond in the first place? Bex is the one who escalated the situation. Bex is the one who caused the fighting in the first place (by that I mean the fighting between the two that night, the fighting between antis and shaladins has been going on for as long as the show).

There we go. Now he have something resembling dignity. But unfortunately the damage was done, and user @lancehunks deleted their blog. As a direct response to Bex’s actions. Bex caused a 13 year old to leave tumblr. 

When hearing this news, Bex offered a half-assed apology:

This is the most insincere apology I have ever seen. “The internet has Bad things on it and it’s YOUR fault for seeing them” is not an apology. The best part is that she’s a big fat hypocrite. “Sometimes, when it’s harmless, the best thing I can do is shake my head and keep scrolling.” So why didn’t you Bex? Why didn’t you keep scrolling instead of targeting a 13 year old?

In light of recent political events, though there’s one thing that stands out to me: 

Sound like anybody you know? The esteemed President, perhaps?

*disclaimer* I am in no way claiming that Bex is a Trump supporter. I don’t know enough about her–and I don’t want to know enough about her–to know where she leans politically. I’m just drawing the attention to the similarities in moral equivalency going on, here.*

Sure you targeted a 13 year old and weaponized your fanbase, but someone tagging you in a snarky post is just as bad, right? (Wrong.)

You’d think that would be the end. You’d think that Bex would be capable of living and learning, or maybe even just taking her own advice, and keep scrolling. But here we go again.

The next bit of drama started when the possibly canon guide book was released, stating Keith’s age as 18. There was a big celebration on the shaladin side because technically, that would make it “legal” for Keith and Shiro to have sex. Besides the fact that legal  ≠ moral, again, Voltron is a kid’s show. But on tumblr this time, Bex posted this.

This time, the discourse surrounding Bex was a little different., This time, the discourse mostly focused on the fact that even if Shiro and Keith disregarded canon and morals and the fact that it’s a kid’s show ever did get in a relationship, the only thing that matters is how they like to have sex.

This is a problem for a lot of reasons. There’s a culture, pretty prominent on tumblr of women, mostly white, who are obsessed with gay sex. They write fanfiction and p*rn solely for their own personal gratification. This, of course, is a gross misinterpretation to wanting LGBT+ representation. If you aren’t a mlm (an acronym for men-loving-man, that includes many sexualities) then writing p*rn about is sexualizing them, using them as a tool to get yourself off, and not like complex human people. Mlm are more than how they like to have sex. In fact, that shouldn’t be a part of a discussion for anybody except between willing partners. This also feeds into the popular and damaging stereotype that gay men are predatory by nature.

So, as a whole, not good. 

And again, we have a whole situation escalated by Bex. The worst part is, to people who tried to explain this to her, the only response they were given was a gif:

So once again, a minor dared to express their distaste for Bex on tumblr. But this time, they didn’t tag her. This time, they censored her name. But Bex found it anyway. And she decided to do the exact same thing that led to a minor leaving the website, and to stop watching the show. 

Have no fear, this time though. This time, Bex is going after a 14 year old, at least she’s not going after kids anymore, right? [sarcasm]

Some final notes. 

Bex claims to be an LGBT+ rights activist. I’m also pretty sure she’s a lesbian herself (again, I already know too much about her, I’m not looking to get to know her better.) So, you’d think, as someone who wants equality for LGBT+ people and communities, she’d have the wherewithal to listen to specific subsets of that group when they say something about themselves, like, for example, young mlm who don’t appreciate being sexualized by a white woman. So I couldn’t help but laugh out loud when I saw this on her blog:

Now, I happen to agree with the above statement, but it’s so ironic, so hypocritical that Bex is talking about the sexualization of anything. Because kid’s shows aren’t safe from her sexualization and mlm certainly aren’t. How can one person be so incredibly oblivious? A mystery that I don’t have any interest in solving. 

I also want to address something a little more devious and a little more dark. I personally know of at least 12 different people who sent Bex asks, politely explaining some of the things I’ve talked about here, or relaying how her words hurt them personally. Bex never answered any of them. But she did answer this:

Just to be perfectly clear, I do not condone or encourage hatemail. Do not send people anything wishing them death or harm in any way. I have never sent nor do plan on sending hatemail, and you should be ashamed of yourself if you do.

However, this is incredibly nefarious. Bex doesn’t answer any of the many asks she got that were polite, but proved her wrong. She didn’t answer any of the young mlm who gave her their personal stories and who weren’t anonymous. Instead, she publishes this. And she did this on purpose, to make her look innocent, to make her look like she’s the one being attacked. I get hatemail every single day too. Things along similar lines to this. I block the user. Delete them, One, because I don’t want to expose my followers to that kind of negativity on a daily basis, two, a mature person knows that deleting them is the best kind of revenge because the user will be constantly looking for a response and they will know they had no effect on me and three, because if you do that, eventually they stop. This is intentional on Bex’s part to make the people who don’t like her look bad. I don’t like Bex at all, and I certainly do not support that message. Any reasonable person wouldn’t. Also the fact that it’s an anonymous message adds a certain air of doubt as to who sent it. 

The point is, Bex is purposely ignoring polite and well-meaning people and posted this to “prove” she’s the one on the “good” side because no good person would send that message.

This is also worth noting: 

This was posted after the lancehunks debate but before the power bottom comment she made. In this post, Bex admits that a relationship between Shiro and any of the paladins is predatory in nature. She said that. Her words. And then after that she said that Keith was a power bottom. 

The last thing I want to say, is that Voltron is a kid’s show. It’s rated US-TV-Y7. Which means for years 7 and older. Regardless of the ship, there should be no sexual content, be it fanart, of fanfiction of Voltron characters at all. We are all collectively responsible for keeping content age-appropriate for the target audience. So, stop it. All and any ships. 

For minors, this is my advice to you:
Bex is a predator, a hypocrite, and a liar. Do not engage with her. Block her. Do not tag her in any of your posts. She has a history of targeting minors. Protect yourself. Do not engage.

RTX Sydney RvB Panel Highlights

They’re not giving us anything for 15 yet. What we do know is:

  • It will be a continuation of the last storyline
  • Miles is no longer writer/director, someone who wrote for S14 has been selected
  • Burnie thinks this person “gets” the character’s voices

  • Miles says he’ll never tell what he thinks happened on the Staff of Charon, but the new person can do whatever they like
Season 14 stuff:
  • Miles spent like 80% of the budget on the Mercs Trilogy

  • Niner was supposed to get an episode, got cut for time reasons

  • It was confirmed again that there is audio footage of a drunk recreation of episode 2 somewhere

  • Gus hated filming the live action crossover episode because he had to be up late

  • The official ship name for Sarge/Grif is “Blood Orange”
  • Joel wants Caboose to get laid

  • Burnie wishes he’d been able to do more with Junior

  • Miles can do pretty much every character’s voice
  • They are really sick of people asking them “ever wonder while we’re here”, seriously guys, stop it. 

(video can be found here)

So recently ive been into a kpop group called KARD, which is unique for its mixed genders….and naturally, i had to draw my ships as an idol group lol. 

Halfway through i realized that their names make the acronym LAME, and i found that absolutely hilarious. So, now it’s their official group name lmao


Levi likes to be a dick

The Story in Which Doosh Taught Mashima the Word, "Canon"

So many stories to tell from Comic Con today, but here’s another one…

I, Dooshiedoosh, ended up teaching Hiro Mashima what the word “canon” means. With @tea-lief as my witness, this is how it went down.

This morning, while everyone else was perfecting their Juvia cosplays, I embarked on a little art project on the back of @rieriebee’s old “Gruvia is Canon” sign in which I wrote “#グレジュビ”.

This ended up stimulating a fairly interesting multilingual, multinational dialogue between myself, @tea-lief, Mashima, his translator, and Kodansha team over ship names. The Japanese Kodansha staff asked what we called it in America, so I flipped over the sign and showed them “Gruvia is canon.” What followed, is Mashima asking the translator what the word “canon” meant. I ended up replying, “official, together, real couple in the story.”

Mashima, who was sketching @tea-lief’s Juvia at the time, told the translator: “Ahh, so you liked the last chapter, I bet!” to the two of us with a very assured smile and nod.

This is how I taught Hiro Mashima what canon was and @tea-lief and I got absolute confirmation that 545 meant canon.


Okay…..what’s going on? Is this a dream? First Cole replyin to Lili using a Betty/Jughead comic panel……and then Robert using the name Bughead officially to promote an episode and now KJ with his shipping declaration and endorsed by Lili and Camila?????? XDDD Feels like an alternate reality cos we didn’t think this pairing could ever get this far ngl xDDDD…. tho we certainly ain’t complainin so…. ;)

Matsuno sextuplet combo & pairing nicknames in Japanese fandom

Part of the fun of the Osomatsusan series are the six main brother protagonists, who all have different personalities which clash in different ways! Though a lot of segments feature all six together, more contained skits will often put the brothers together two at a time and let their personalities drive the plot and humor of the skit. And because there are six of them, there are total of 15 different ways to mix them up. As a result, fans (as well as official sources) have come up with various nicknames for these sextuplet combos.

Fans of BLmatsu will often refer to their ships with these nicknames on Twitter and  in Pixiv tags. However, these combo names are used in non-shipping contexts as well, so even though there is also some misconception among Japanese fans, the names don’t necessarily imply a romantic pairing (ships in particular use name portmanteaus ordered in certain ways; skip to the end of this post for a few more notes of explanation about Japanese ship-naming conventions.)

Osomatsu & Karamatsu (OsoKara, KaraOso)

長兄松 (Chokeimatsu)

“Eldest-Brother Matsu”

Straight-forward enough. Osomatsu and Karamatsu are the two eldest brothers (first and second, respectively).

This combo nickname was used by Namco Najatown for their “Osomatsusan in Nanjatown” collaboration promotion. Thus, it is considered to be an official nickname.

Osomatsu & Choromatsu (OsoChoro, ChoroOso)

速度松 (Sokudomatsu)


In reference to a wordplay on Osomatsu and Choromatsu’s names, contrasting Oso (遅い, osoi/slow, late) and Choro (チョロチョロ, chorochoro/darting about, moving rapidly).

Osomatsu & Ichimatsu  (OsoIchi, IchiOso)

パーカー松 (Parkamatsu)


In reference to the fact that Osomatsu and Ichimatsu are the two brothers who have fewer alternate outfits than the others and are the ones most likely to be wearing their signature color-coded sweatshirts.

Osomatsu & Jyushimatsu (OsoJyu, JyuOso)

馬鹿松、いちご松 (Bakamatsu, Ichigomatsu)


Oso & Jyushi are arguably the two stupidest brothers of the group according to their official character profiles, which describes Osomatsu as an idiot having the mental maturity of a 6th grader and Jyushimatsu as “exceptionally cheerful, exceptionally stupid”. An alternate nickname for them is Ichigomatsu, meaning strawberry, but also a pun on their birth order (ichi/one, go/five).

Osomatsu & Todomatsu (OsoTodo, TodoOso)

紅松 (Benimatsu)


Refers to Oso and Todo’s similar image colors of red and pink, respectively.

Karamatsu & Choromatsu (KaraChoro, ChoroKara)

水陸松 (Suirikumatsu)

“Water-and-Land Matsu”

Refers to Choro and Kara’s image colors of green and blue, reminiscent of land and sea.

Karamatsu & Ichimatsu (KaraIchi, IchiKara)

色松 (Iromatsu)


A pun on the pairing name KaraIchi (カラ一) which looks identical to the Japanese katakana rendering of the English word, “color” (カラー, karaa). Iro is the Japanese word for color.

Karamatsu & Jyushimatsu (KaraJyushi, JyuKara)

筋肉松 (Kinnikumatsu)


Karamatsu is arguably the most conventionally masculine of the bunch, as well a “nikushokukei” (肉食系, lit. a carnivore, meaning a “man’s man” who aggressively pursues women). Jyushimatsu on the other hand is the most physically active and athletically gifted brother. Thus, they are the “power-kei” matsus. This nickname is also reinforced by Jyushimatsu’s “Muscle, muscle! Hustle, hustle!” catchphrase.

Karamatsu & Todomatsu (KaraTodo, TodoKara)

材木松 (Zaimokumatsu)


Karamatsu and Todomatsu are the two brothers whose names are a wordplay on species of trees (唐松/karamatsu is a Japanese Larch and 椴松/todomatsu is a Sakhalin fir).

Choromatsu & Ichimatsu  (ChoroIchi, IchiChoro)

年中松 (Nenchumatsu)


A reference to Choromatsu and Ichimatsu being the two middle brothers (third and fourth, respectively.)

This nickname has been used officially in online promotion for the “Osomatsusan in Nanjatown” collaboration at Namco Najatown.

Choromatsu & Jyushimatsu (ChoroJyu, JyuChoro)

若葉松 (Wakabamatsu)

“Young-Leaf Matsu”

In reference to their color combination of green and yellow. In Japan, newly-minted drivers will attach yellow and green arrow feather-shaped stickers to their cars called wakaba-marks.

[Also, on a purely personal note, coming from Attack On Titan fandom, I’m a huge fan of the Eruri ship, which incidentally are also the characters voiced by Kamiya Hiroshi and Ono Daisuke in that series. The fact that those characters are represented by similar color schemes and feather motifs, the wakaba has another level of symbolism that I enjoy a lot, LOL.]

Choromatsu & Todomatsu (ChoroTodo, TodoChoro)

サイバー松 (Cybermatsu)/ツッコミ松 (Tsukkomimatsu)

The nickname Cybermatsu derives from the fact that Choromatsu and Todomatsu are the two brothers who were initially shown with electrical gadgets in promotional art (laptops, smartphones). They are alternately referred to as Tsukkomimatsu, since they are the ones most likely to be playing the Straight Man in contrast to their other brothers’ funny antics.

Ichimatsu & Jyushimatsu  (IchiJyushi, JyushiIchi)

数字松 (Suujimatsu)/電池松 (Denchimatsu)


The Suujimatsu nickname refers to the fact that Ichimatsu and Jyushimatsu are the two brothers whose names are a wordplay on numbers (rendered in kanji as 一 ichi/one and 十四 jyuushi/fourteen, respectively. It’s also notable that they are the only two whose names are written entirely in kanji!) Their alternate nickname comes from the 十 and 一 in their names resembling plus and minus symbols, suggestive of their polar-opposite personalities, yet close bond.

Ichimatsu & Todomatsu (IchiTodo, TodoIchi)

110松 (Ichitomatsu) 


Another wordplay on numbers, this time with 一 (ichi/one) and ト (“to”, an alternate pronunciation of ten.)

Jyushimatsu & Todomatsu (JyuTodo, TodoJyu)

末松 (Suematsu)

“Endmatsu” or perhaps “Youngmatsu”

In reference to Jyushimatsu and Todomatsu being the two youngest brothers (fifth and sixth, respectively.) Todomatsu is the family 末っ子 (suekko, “youngest child”), which is an alternate reading of the 末/matsu kanji (which means “end [of a series of numbers, etc]”.)

This nickname was used officially along with Chokeimatsu (OsoKara) and Nenchumatsu (ChoroIchi) for Namco Nanjatown’s promotion for the “Osomatsusan in Nanjatown” collaboration.

A few notes about shipping names and terms (BLmatsu warning)

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bat-chik  asked:

Top ten ships? (Friendship, relationship, etc)

1. Mchanzo - Overwatch. God. My life, my blood, my reason for living, my heart, my everything. This. Them.

2. Reaper76 - Overwatch . Grouchy dads in love, what’s not to like? The angst and pain that comes with it is just a plus.

3. JayDick - DC. Dick Grayson is Love. Jason is Life. I adore them as bros or as a romance. Just…leave me here to die, I’ll be fine.

4. Sheith - Voltron. I’m so weak. So much love. Whether it’s as bros or otherwise, just let them be happy.

5. SuperBat - DC. The eternal ship. If I one day decide to stop shipping them, it won’t matter because they’ll continue to ship themselves. I ship the bromance and the romance. 

6. Angbang - The Silmarillion. My weakness…Dark Lords banging.

7. Pharmercy - Overwatch. HAVE YOU SEEN PHARAH?? DAMN. I love the contrast of this ship, they’re beautiful.

8. Sidlink (Slinky) - LoZ. Idc what the official name is, Slinky is cute. As Bros or romantic ship, I ship.

9. Gencio - Overwatch. So green. so shiny. so pure. Great tunes. I also ship McGenji about as much as I ship this.

10. Stucky - Marvel. See a trend here?? Bros or romantic couple, it’s until the end of the line with these boys.