I noticed a lot of people seem to think that Dany will have kids again. Something magically "fixes" her womb. Or that the person who told her she couldn't have kids was unreliable. Of course this means that her and Jon will have babies and the line of succession will continue. For me this feels like such a reach, and almost an unwillingness to see other possibilities. Thoughts?
((Ok, this got kind of long, but I wanted to give you a decent answer, because it’s such a great question, such a loaded question, at that…and I think it deserves one.))
Honestly? If that were to happen, it would, quite possibly, be the most cliche, predictable plot twist in the history of anything I have ever read or watched. I mean, even LotR had ‘The Scouring of the Shire’ to offset the cliche happy ending of Return of the King. Which, sadly, wasn’t even in the movie. But that’s a post/rant for another day.
Here’s the thing. I think there are two kinds of people: those who are perfectly content with what we have been conditioned to expect, because it is what we know. We recognize the plot turns, and they feel familiar to our collective consciousness, so I think, on some level, we automatically, subconsciously follow where they lead us and desire for it to end in the way we expect, to complete that cycle of expectation. And then you have the opposite. After all, every action has a reaction, right? So, after a while, after stories and stories which use the same plot points, over and over again, to an extent where they become cliche, a little dull and almost laughable in their predictably…you get the backlash of that. You get the people who want something different, who long for the ‘other’, the road less traveled, JUST. SOMETHING. ELSE. It’s where the idea of the ‘anti-hero’ and the ‘underdog’ comes from: our desire to see something different play out, a different kind of dynamic or characterization.
Now, I’m not trying to imply that the people who fit into the former are somehow less than (I only have a problem when they insult those who believe otherwise…as stans and shippers are so often known to do). After all, we were all part of that group once. We all have been conditioned. In fact, we cannot rebel at all if we were not conditioned to the norm first. There has to be something for us to rebel against. So, I was once extremely guilty of wanting what felt right, what felt true, what felt like it ‘fit’ somehow. But I am now, after years of watching the same thing play out, firmly in the camp of people who seem to automatically rebel against anything like that.
In fact, you can pretty much guarantee that if something seems the obvious choice, I will want the opposite. I can’t help it. Predictability, obviousness is the death of creativity in my eyes. So, if something feels obvious…DO THE OPPOSITE. RUN AS FAR FROM THAT BITCH LIKE YOU’RE RUNNING FROM A BURNING BUILDING AND TAKE YOUR BABY AND YOUR JEWELRY WITH YOU!
Maybe it’s because I’m into writing, and I think more creatively. But I’m always looking for something that surprises me, that flexes my creative muscles, my imagination. Something which challenges the status quo and my own expectations.
I fell in love with asoiaf, originally, because it did this for me. I began reading it, thinking it was just another fantasy story. Which I loved. Don’t get me wrong, I like the familiar and comfortable every now and then. I mean, I watch rom-coms and read plenty of chick-lit, even though I know how it’s gonna end. So I’m not a complete enemy of that kind of storytelling. And I was perfectly content to expect nothing more from asoiaf than what I had read a million times. And I was fine with that. I was just interested in the journey. The familiar, comfortable journey.
But then they hit me with the Ned execution twist…and I was floored. And hooked. Hooked on the complete rawness of the story, the unpredictability. I felt genuinely frightened and on edge reading the series, honestly not knowing what would happen. I couldn’t remember the last time I had read a book or series like that. You can usually predict which way it’s going to go. But with this series? It was like a breath of fresh air. And I loved it. Even when I cried over the Red Wedding and vowed that I would never read the series again…I secretly loved that it kept surprising me and challenging me in so many ways.
Now…that’s part of the reason I dislike Jon and Daenerys so much. If you’re following me, then you’re probably of the same belief as I am, that the way they built it up sucks. But if I’m being honest, they could have given it all the development and care in the world, and I still would have not been a fan, because…to me, no matter how it’s done, it’s too predictable of a plot turn. I don’t care that people say it’s been set up because they are parallels. That, to me, is evidence why they SHOULDN’T happen. Because you expect it. The framing of the story conditions you to want to bring these two sides together. And I think we should fight against that. I think it would be a massive mistake. Also, we don’t know that GRRM framed it that way so he could bring it all together. As a writer, I know that sometimes you frame something just to build a world. It doesn’t necessarily mean that you have to connect the different sides of it. In fact, keeping them apart actually helps you, because it broadens your world, and the parallels are just cool little ways to build a solid foundation for your story, to frame it in a creative way.
In the show, this has already happened, as we all know. And I’ve been a massive detractor of the idea for years, so, yeah, I haven’t really enjoyed seeing it play out. I know GRRM will probably have Dany and Jon eventually meet. Not because he’s bringing the two sides of his elaborately built world together, but because as the end nears, ALL of the plot threads will come together. So I expected that. But what I didn’t feel was necessary, was the idea that they had to be together romantically. Because, not only is this structurally predicable and cliche…but it’s also a trope that has been done to death: main girl and main guy, come together and fall in love, get married and have babies. I mean, I would argue that this is actually probably the tropiest of all the tropes. Second only after good defeats evil. This is the one done the most. And that’s why the very thought of it, present in this beautifully complex, intricately constructed narrative, which is the very definition of SUBVERSIVE FICTION, literally makes my eye twitch every time I think of it.
Now, if the idea of a mere romance makes me feel that way, then do you even need to ask how I feel about the idea of them creating some kind of miracle incest baby which magically ‘fixes’ Dany’s infertility - which, btw, should not be seen as a problem to fix anyway, imo, but that’s another issue -, unites the seven kingdoms, brings peace and prosperity to the realm and fixes every problem under the sun?
In my view, that kind of narrative has absolutely no place in this work of art. And I would absolutely hate it if the show went that way. You know why I like the idea of Jon playing Daenerys so much? Part of it is because I like the idea of Jonsa, yes - a less predictable love story for the main hero if ever there was one and the less obvious choice, therefore my favourite -, but I also like it because it’s completely out of left field. You expect the main hero to fall for the main girl when they meet. You don’t expect them to create some kind of ruse and play her. That’s exactly why I love the idea. I also like the Dark Dany plot because of that. Because you absolutely do not expect the main female hero to get to the end of her journey and then for the script to flip and for us to see her characterization from the POV of those she is conquering. The narrative we are used to is that this character would triumph and overcome every obstacle in their path. But subverting that? It’s a completely refreshing take on it. And I love it.
So, no, Nonny. In a roundabout way, what’s I’m trying to say…is that I really do not like the idea of there being this magical fix to everything in the story, and I do not like that this extremely complex narrative would have such a cliche trope at the center of it, to bring everything together. That’s just me. That’s the kind of audience I am. That’s never gonna change. I think it’s dull. And I think it would be a crying shame if this story, which I fell in love with because of it’s completely raw subversion of the tropes, basically ended by relying on the biggest one of all.
I hope that answers your question! lol
*runs and hides while you marvel at my utter crazy*