*Mum borrows my earphones to talk to her friend in south Africa, I cry internally cos I miss them and I realize am too dependent on them as a device to ignore people- blogs about it, gawd am having an existential crisis rn*
Ladies and gents am I a 16 yr old with first world problems?
No I have attachment issues.
Ways comics history is inaccurate (according to fans who were there)
Most of history is
only obvious after the fact, so it’s interesting to talk to people who were
there and find out that our image of the era doesn’t match the narratives we project.
At the time, nobody
cared about Crisis on Infinite Earths because almost everyone was too busy
paying attention to Secret Wars. The importance of Crisis was entirely in
X-Men is considered to
be THE fan comic of the 70s-80s, but that isn’t completely true. X-Men only
became a phenomenon after word of mouth about the Dark Phoenix Saga spread, and
by that point, a large number of the crucial classic X-Storylines had already been
told. Also, while X-Men was a top seller, that is not the whole story. For most
of the late 1970s, Marvel’s top selling comic (and therefore the top selling comic) was Star Wars,
which literally saved Marvel from bankruptcy. In the 1980s, different comics
were top sellers in different ways. Amazing Spider-Man was the top seller at
newsstands, X-Men was the top seller at comic stores, and GI Joe was the top
seller via subscriptions.
History has really
been rewritten about Jack Kirby after he died in 1993. Jack Kirby was kind of
like Michael Jackson: when Kirby died, he became a god, but before then, people
felt he was a diminished has-been who hadn’t done anything good in 20 years. It
makes me very curious about what will happen when (God forbid) George Lucas
dies, actually. Our culture treats people terribly when alive and idolizes them
when dead. Around the Marvel offices in the 70s, Jack Kirby was called “Jack
the Hack” and lettercols were often just plain confused when Kirby took over
titles like Captain America and Black Panther. This is a shame, as so much of
what Kirby did then had creative power…but it is unquestionably true Kirby did
his best work with a plotter.
In particular, a lot of history was rewritten around Kirby’s Lord of Light inspired New Gods comics at DC. I’d compare the reaction at the time to Episode I: expectations around these books were insane, they were called, before they came out, “Marvel Killers.” Instead, most of them were canceled in the first 12 issues. At the time, they were considered a disappointment, creatively and in sales. Someone, I think it was Mark Evanier, said with a totally straight face that the DC Zelazny-inspired Space God Comics were “the great unfinished symphony of comics.” That’s even funnier when you consider that they actually were finished – not in an act of vandalism by some philistine, but by Kirby himself in the Hunger Dogs series everyone pretends didn’t happen. If it was Mark Evanier, that’d be even more amazing, because I do believe Evanier worked on Hunger Dogs.
Who was the most
admired Marvel creator by comic fans in the early to late 1970s? Two names you seldom hear passed
around today: Don MacGregor and Barry Windsor-Smith. Don MacGregor made a name for himself on the Black Panther revival series Jungle Action, and the adventures of the Beast in Amazing Adventures. Barry Windsor-Smith was the artist on Conan the Barbarian before John Buscema. The two didn’t get as much work as fans liked, because they were in the last decade when it was possible to be a fan-favorite creator and still be low-sellers, since it was kids, not fandom, who bought most comics.
hey not to be That Person but. i'm trying to get into dc comics but i dont understand the whole rebirth thing and infinite crisis or its context and im feeling so ! anxiety over it so. can u recommend a starting point so i can have some structure in my life again
unless things have progressed monstrously in the past month i haven’t caught up and infinite crisis is somehow directly connected to rebirth now, then the following answer is bull, so write it off. if things are still the same, you’re still free to write everything i say off because i usually don’t know what i’m doing. i’m here for the memes
the short answer is: read every big event DC has ever published up until the year of our lord 2016. no? no? alright,
i’m gonna take you by the hand and try to explain some things about DC. seeing i don’t know the level of your comics knowledge, there is really no short answer if you want to understand some basics so this is going to get long, but still shorter than actually reading everything. i have also consumed an ungodly amount of carbs this evening, all the bread in me will get us through this
when comic companies reach a certain point with their comics that can’t progress their storytelling no matter what techniques they employ (we, in the mortal realm, call this screwing up beyond belief), we have these big events that occur throughout every title currently published, that change/erase, affect and influence the entire comics universe. the very first time DC did it was because they realized all the issues got too confusing for the new readers and the dollas didn’t holla when younglings had no reason to buy stuff they didn’t understand, and that’s how in 1986 they rebooted the DC universe for the very first time with Crisis on Infinite Earths. CoIE basically took this idea of a “multiverse”, an infinite possibility of worlds, stories, and ideas existing concurrently but not necessarily affecting each other up until then, and destroyed it. bye, felicia. everything was unified into one neat bundle and due to this compression, certain characters had to die, others got completely retconned (especially superman), and others kept existing only in a pocket universe (like superboy). generally speaking, the characterizations of all the characters after Crisis on Infinite Earths is what’s commonly considered canon (pre-ColE batman didn’t brood 24/7, for shame)
in the following two decades after ColE, things got so convoluted and messed up that we ended up having an incredible number of inconsistencies even though the goal was to eliminate them in the first place. we had like… doubles of the same heroes that had made it into the ColE universe from the pre-ColE/silver age universe running about like nobody’s business? because why the fuck not, i guess. thus DC had to reboot again… and then again… and then once more… and then they chilled for a bit but that didn’t really matter much because a few things like superboy-prime getting angry and punching a literal hole through continuity happened. through trial and many errors, we get to the point Flashpoint happens, an event that rebooted DC again, and gave us the New 52
the New 52 started every hero’s title from #1 once more. a new start where readers wouldn’t have to know 60something years worth of comics to understand what’s going on. only that that didn’t happen because heroes like batman and green lantern still held their pre-Flashpoint stories/memories/lives, so if you wanted to follow them, you had to have read that period between ColE and Flashpoint i just explained. due to the retcon, certain heroes died/got erased similarly to how people got offed in Crisis on Infinite Earths and that, coupled with storylines that progressively made less and less sense, resulted in the New 52 drawing the short stick and ending a few months ago, with Rebirth following in its steps
Rebirth, however, isn’t a reboot. it’s a direct continuation of the New 52, this time trying to fix things up. DC stopped trying to erase all their mistakes with reboots (not like they work anyway) and decided to find an excuse as to why the pre-flashpoint universe was morphed into the New 52, meaning everything that happened between ColE and Flashpoint is valid. it’s just that everyone forgot and… got… younger………. why? i’m not gonna explain that. it involves the watchmen and dr. big blue dick and we haven’t gotten a straight answer yet anyway
anyway, to finally answer your question about getting into current DC, here’s what i suggest:
after you know why batman is an occassional dick, jump directly into Rebirth. no N52 for you. there have been minimal if any references to the new 52 so far and since Rebirth is trying to get the DC universe back to it’s pre-flashpoint state, you don’t really need to know what happened in the n52
do, however, know that new 52 superman died after a series of bad writing and mishandling and our current superman is pre-flashpoint superman even though every other hero is their new 52 counterpart. pre-flashpoint clark made it into the new 52 universe after an event called Convergence, alongside a then pregnant lois lane, and didn’t make himself known up until new 52 clark died
interestingly, in infinite crisis pre-flashpoint clark met pre-crisis on infinite earths clark, similarly to how new 52 clark met pre-flashpoint clark now. dam? dam
i know a lot of the above makes zero sense right now but it’s in its most basic form you’ll find at this point. DC has A LONG ASS history of messed-up events and timelines so confusion will ensue even after you’ve been reading comics for a while. jump into Rebirth even if you feel you won’t understand a thing. we all started somewhere, we all still understand about half of what the writers want us to (they understand a third of their own works). try to have fun whatever you do and look up/ask about things you have no idea about. comics weren’t meant to be streamlined, or at least they never managed to be, so you will have gaps for a long time. final crisis what? zero hour who? hypertime not even once
just have fun? just have fun. nobody really understands. it’s okay
Do you think The Flash will go to 2024 so we can see what everyone's life is like in that time? (The time in the article that Iris writes about The Flash vanishing in crisis.) Maybe we get to see the real Harrison Wells, Barry and Iris married, etc. It would be interesting. Maybe Iris is pregnant!
Yes! I do think the show is eventually setting up for Crisis on Infinite Earths, although the show won’t be able to do the entire scope of that storyline in the comics, without introducing a ton of new characters and things. In Crisis, Barry dies trying to save the multiverse but I read a theory that since Barry disappears in a fight with the Reverse Flash, the Barry that disappears, which is future Barry, is the same Barry that was fighting RF from trying to kill his younger self in the living room with Nora. Now, I don’t know if it’s that true but it would certainly be interesting.
I do think we will get to see pregnant Iris, maybe after Barry disappears and while she’s trying to cope with his death, writing the article, seeing how Barry dies before she gets to tell him (I think that’s another storyline in the comics though). It would be heartbreaking.
Crisis on infinite Earths- he died then came back angstier and with a red helmet (this is the version with the Under the Red Hood story). He is revived via superboy punching through reality and then Jason being dunked into the pit after being revived. He also uses the pill helmet during this era
New 52- he is risen via Lazarus Pit. He teams with Roy and Starfire. Mouth helmet era. Also works with Joker’s daughter and has a nicer relationship with the batfam
Rebirth- as far as we know, Lazarus Pit revival, and he has a decent working relationship with batman. Currently is working with Artemis and Bizarro to form DCs dark Trinity as a foil to the Trinity of Batman, Superman, and wonder woman.
Videogame- Jason is Arkham Knight, he never died just got tortured a lot and driven semi insane by the joker and aimed to bring Batman down
That theory makes sense...Future Barry's fighting the RF in this Crisis, the Barry (from 2024) that stops RF from killing his younger!self, Nora is killed instead, and he goes missing. He's also the one that stops himself from saving Nora in the S1 finale. He's correcting things that have happened as a result of the Paradox RF created when he got stuck in his [Barry's] original TL. Remember, Eobard isn't a part of that TL, he's from the future. Barry was already dead by the time Eobard was born.