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Languages

I want to demolish the idea that when characters are shown knowing a fictional language, fanfiction writers need struggle to find an aesthetic sounding language that they do not know. Specifically talking about POC and from the POV of one.

Hi, I’m Syeda Mahnoor Ali and I’m from Pakistan and speak Urdu, sometimes mistaken for Hindi. Urdu and Hindi share an Indo-Aryan base, but Urdu is associated with the Nastaliq script style of Persian calligraphy and reads right-to-left, whereas Hindi resembles Sanskrit and reads left-to-right. The earliest linguistic influences in the development of Urdu probably began with the Muslim conquest of Sindh in 711. The language started evolving from Farsi and Arabic contacts during the invasions of the Indian subcontinent by Persian and Turkic forces from the 11th century onward. Urdu developed more decisively during the Delhi Sultanate (1206–1526) and the Mughal Empire (1526–1858). When the Delhi Sultanate expanded south to the Deccan Plateau, the literary language was influenced by the languages spoken in the south, by Punjabi and Haryanvi, and by Sufi and court usage. The earliest verse dates to the 15th century, and the golden period of Urdu poetry was the 18th–19th centuries. Urdu religious prose goes back several centuries, while secular writing flourished from the 19th century onward. Modern Urdu is the national language of Pakistan and is also spoken by many millions of people in India.

Although I live in Saudi Arabia (as a Muslim as well) it does not hinder me from knowing the common distaste for my language and the shame many of my people have speaking it. The common opinion of it being a dirty language and the people who speak it sounding illiterate, it’s a lot ok?

And then I read ACOMAF and encountered Illyrians. We do not know their culture, neither have we heard a word in their language. While writing a fanfiction I could easily go to google translate and look up some phrases in Swedish or Roman or Greek…simply because that’s what people think Illyrians would sound like and it would sound “pretty”.

But why?

We all know that Illyrians aren’t white and none of the bits and pieces of their culture show that they are from said places. Then why should I write them as such?

Why can’t I write them speaking Urdu? Or Arabic for that matter? Why can’t I have a scene where the boys are roughhousing and Cassian yells “Lun pe charh meri”  (Climb on my dick) or romantic scenes where Rhysand whispers loving compliments to Feyre such as “Mere dil ki chaand” (Moon of my heart) or “Meri bulbul” (My nightingale)

I’ve been so wrapped up in discomfort because of my language that I never even put serious thought into such things until I had a dream where they all spoke Urdu/Arabic as those are the default languages in my mind. No matter how much I try to convince myself that I am a proud Pakistani and I will not be swayed by the effects of the Big Orange Cheeto. I’ll be lying till the day I stop using google translate to assist me in my fanfictions so that I sound more “aesthetic”

Long rant I know, but read it and tell me your opinions @sarahviehmann @pterodactylichexameter @propshophannah @valamerys @fuckyeahazriel @feysand17 @highfaelucien :)

Nuristani father and son in Eastern Afghanistan.

In the mid-1890s, after the establishment of the Durand Line when Afghanistan ceded various frontier areas to the British Empire, Emir Abdur Rahman Khan conducted a military campaign in Nuristan (then known as Kafiristan) and followed up his conquest with conversion of the Nuristanis to Islam; the region thenceforth being known as Nuristan, the “Land of Light”. Before their conversion, the Nuristanis (then known as “Kafiristanis”) practiced an Indo-Iranian polytheistic Rigvedic religion. Non-Muslim religious practices endure in Nuristan today to some degree as folk customs.

the funny thing about “indian accents” is that there is no universal indian accent. every person with a different native tongue speaks with a different cadence (and btw, india has 122 major languages and thousands of others). south indians (languages with a dravidian root) speak english with a different accent than north indians (indo-aryan root) or east indians (sino-tibetan root).

english accents are different depending on the medium of learning. for example, most people academically trained have a slight british tinge to their accent whereas people who learned from tv and movies have an american one. indians who study abroad speak with the accent of whatever country they were schooled in. indians who learned english later in life have a thicker accent and have a harder time with syntax. depending on when they were exposed to a formal academic environment, even second-gen indians can still retain a bit of an accent from their parents. 

so… when non-desi people say something about an “indian accent,” i’m already taking several steps back in my head because there is no such thing. the “indian accent” they’re talking about is the one apu does from the simpsons, a horrible caricature, or the one ashton kutcher does in that racist commercial. 

indians are not homogeneous and we don’t all have a single accent. thanks.

I am the strength of the strong, devoid of passion and desire. I am sex life which is not contrary to religious principles…I am the original fragrance of the Earth and I am the heat in fire. I am the life of all that lives, and I am the penances of all ascetics…I am the original seed of all existences, the intelligence of the intelligent and the prowess of all powerful men.
—  Krishna

Bhagavad Gita  Chapter 7: Knowledge of the Absolute

Raven was sacred to the Druids, the Celtic Shamans.

Who Were the Druids?

In pre-Christian Europe the Druids were a class of priest/healers.  They first make their historical appearance about 4000 BCE, well before the rise of the Celts, they were associated with the Indo-European Aryans who emerged from the misty mountains between the Caspian and Black Sea. Later they were associated with the nature Gods of the Celts.  What we know of the Druids comes primarily from three sources: Roman histories, Irish folk stories and the scant archaeological record.

The Romans told stories of human sacrifice and cannibalism. They told of the brutal torture and sacrifice of prisoners and dealings with the dark elder gods of humanity.  These tales terrified the legionnaires and gave the Romans a reason to exterminate them at all costs.  Irish folktales and myths portray them as wizards like the “Merlin" of the Arthur legend.  Holding court under sacred oaks, making magic and communing with the spirits of the forest. Counseling Kings, trying law cases, dealing with oath breakers, conducting wedding ceremonies and blessing warriors before battle and joining them in the field.

Like all descendants of the Aryan invaders the Druids held the virtues of strength of arms, valor, truth in speech and oath keeping as their primary tenets.  The Celts viewed the Romans as effete and untrustworthy. Honor was all important to the Celts.

“We teach that the gods must be honoured, no injustice done and manly behaviour always maintained.”

“Truth in heart, strength in arm, honesty in speech.” 

The Druidic Warrior’s Oath, inscribed in runes circa 200 B.C.E 

 ๑ Samsaran ๑

5.1.1 - Gender categories 

Note: 1 - the languages in the Americas refer to the pre-colonization distribution of families. 2 - Gender categories refer here to the assignement of a gender to a noun which may be marked morphologically in several ways. It has nothing to do with expressing natural gender.

Masculine, feminin and neuter are characteristic of Indo-European languages. Many of them have lost the neuter like romance languages (except romanian and asturian), celtic languages, baltic languages, and most Indo-Aryan languages. Some, like dutch, danish and swedish have merged the masculin and the feminin into a common gender, making thus a distinction more similar to animate and inanimate.

Genderless languages are the most common: Turkic, Tungunsic, Sino-Tibetan, Mongolic, Koreanic, Japonic, Kartvelian, Pontic, Uralic, Austronesian, Austroasiatic, Dravidic (except Tamil), Tai-Kadai, Pama-Nyungan and most australian languages, Tupi-Gê-Carib, Arawan, Arawak, Na-Dene, Eskimo-Aleut, and many others in Papua and the Americas. English and Afrikaans lost all gender marking except in pronouns (he, she, it, for example).

Several classes occur in most Niger-Congo languages, Caspian languages, Khoisan languages and some aboriginal australian languages. They may contain animal genders, vegetal genders, genders for rocks and many other categories.

Animate and inanimate gender is common in some Amerindian families such as Algic, Uto-Aztecan, Quechuan, Aymara, Mapudungun, Iroquoian, Siouan.

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THE PEOPLE OF THE INDIAN SUBCONTINENT ARE BLACK.


Black people in India have been cut off from the black world. On one side they have arabs/persians/ethnic eastern europeans and on the other side they have mongoloids (China, Burma, Thailand, etc). Because of this extreme disconnect they are at the mercy of the colonizers and have no say over their identity (though in recent years that has begun to change). On one hand they are being called “Indo-Aryan” and at the same time they are being called “South Asian”, or “East Indian” or other names that ignore the Black ancestral origins of these people…. Yes, that is seriously messed up. Add to that, the latest irony: White people are now insisting that “we are all African”….

Okay let me slow this down. 

Let’s use our eyes and our minds for a second. 

In the first picture above there are black women and children with 4C hair and also straight to curly-straight hair. 

What if I was to take all the women with 4C hair out of the picture and just leave the ones with straight to curly-straight hair?.. Would you not then easily assume that these are not *African people*?…. Well, that is essentially the case with India. All the black people with 4C hair are no longer present. Remember, the caste system (color-coded apartheid) has been going on for 3000 years! That is more than enough time to take out the indigenous black people. 

The problem is that they don’t want to admit that arabs/persians/ethnic eastern europeans and mongoloids have committed genetic warfare against them for thousands of years. They have been fooled like most black people into thinking that black people with straight hair are somehow a different race – after all that is what we were taught in school… and in recent times genetics studies are filled with complete nonsense that mislead people into thinking black people in the east are not African.  

The History of a God

Mithra, the famous Middle Eastern god who ended up being so popular in Rome they attempted to ban his cult, was originally a minor Hindu Vedic sun god. Mitra and his twin brother Varuna were guardians of the cosmic order and young, handsome, shining deities in the earliest Hindu pantheon. As god of friendships and contracts, Mitra was good-natured and seen as a mediator between the gods and men. Mitra’s prominence faded with the coming of the Indo-Aryans and their gods. But in Persia, he had a longer run as Mitra who the Romans mispronounced as Mithra.

World History: Hyksos

The Hyksos were a mixed group of Asiatic people from Western Asia who took over the eastern Nile Delta, ending the Thirteenth Dynasty of Egypt and initiating the Second Intermediate Period. They spoke an isolated language, but were under Indo-Aryan rule and influence. The Hyksos brought several technical improvements to Egypt, as well as cultural infusions such as new musical instruments and foreign loan words. The changes introduced new techniques of bronze working and pottery, new breeds of animals, and new crops. In warfare, they introduced the horse and chariot, the composite  bow, improved battle axes, and advanced fortification techniques. Because of these cultural advances, Hyksos rule was decisive for Egypt’s later empire in the Middle East. [x]

Breathy voiced consonants also know as murmured or voiced aspirated consonants, transcribed with the IPA as [b̤] or [bʱ], for example. Only present in Indo-Aryan languages and some neighbour languages from other families that have borrowed them, and in the Nguni languages in South Africa. Also present in a Khoisan dialect from Namibia. 

3.3 - Nasal vowels

Note: the languages in the Americas are the languages before the european colonization.

Present in europe in: portuguese, french, polish and albanian (gheg). In Indo-Aryan languages, some dravidian lanauges, tibetan, northern dialects of Mandarin, some chinese languages, Hmon-Mien, aceh, and minor languages in Oceania. 

Very characteristic of Tupi-Gê-Caribe languages, several families of central and south America, Siouan languages, Algic languages, many Na-Dene languages and Muskogean languages. Also characteristic of lots of west african languages (Bambara, fula, yoruba, ewe, igbo, sango and others).

2.1.6 - Retroflex and apico-alveolar plosives, affricates and fricatives

Light green - apico-alveolars

Dark green - retroflexes

Present in slavic languages, north germanic scandinavian languages, north west and east caucasian languages, dravidian, Indo-Aryan, Sino-Tibetan (many exceptions), javanese, most australian aboriginal languages, malagasy, shona. Afar and somali have retroflex liquids but I decided to represent them here too.

2.1.1 - Aspirated plosives (fonemic status)

Near universal in the Caucasus, Germanic languages, some Bantu languages, many families of Amerindian languages (Cree, Ojibwa, Na-Dene, Salishan, Athabaskan, Tsimshianic, Uto-Aztecan, Mayan, Quechua, Aymara), Asian languages (including most Sino-Tibetan, Indo-Aryan, Mongolic, Tungusic, Korean, Hmong-Mien, Tai-Kadai, Austroasiatic).