TV Guide Interview with SPN Executive Producer Andrew Dabb on S13:
“TV Guide: Even for Supernatural, the season finale was dark: shocking deaths, disappearances, a hellish alternate Earth. Will next season be close to a reboot?
Dabb: Yes. I’m not sure we’ve had a finale that has the body count and kind of ramifications that this one had. The Lucifer story became a setup for what we want to explore in Season 13. We’ve delved into alternate realities before, but we’re taking it to an extreme.
TVG: What are some of those explorations?
Dabb: What does it mean that Jack (Alexander Calvert) is Lucifer’s kid and Mary and Lucifer are together in the alt Apocalypse World? Plus Castiel, Crowley and Rowena all appear to be dead. That’s fertile ground for next season.
TVG: Are these beloved characters really dead and gone?
Dabb: No one’s ever really dead on Supernatural, but I’m not saying that any of them will necessarily be back - at least for a while.
TVG: Sam and Dean must care for the motherless Jack. Are they intent on siphoning his angel grace to make the incredibly powerful Nephilim more human?
Dabb: That’s the question, but if they [do], he’ll lose his power and be unable to open the door to get Mary back. The guys may have some conflict over that.
TVG: Will we quickly learn whether Jack is evil like his father?
Dabb: He had an evil source, but he’s a blank slate. It’s a nature-nurture thing. If Season 12 was about children coming to terms with their moms as adults, then Season 13 is very much about Sam and Dean as parents.
TVG: Castiel had a vision of paradise that he believed Lucifer’s child would bring about. This being Supernatural, was he lying to comfort Jack’s mother, Kelly?
Dabb: Cas believed it, but was it the unborn kid showing Cas what he wanted to see? Like you said, this is Supernatural.
TVG: The Apocalypse World that Lucifer and Mary are trapped in is anything but paradise. On the other hand, long-dead family friend Bobby Singer is there as a hunter!
Dabb: The fun thing about the alternative Earth is that it allows us to bring back a lot of characters in ways that are not pure. Every other Supernatural character could theoretically have an entirely new life there. We’re going to have a war zone unlike anything we’ve seen.
TVG: If Sam and Dean try to get their mother back from that world, Lucifer could be back too, yes?
Dabb: Yes. There are a lot of other big players too, like Archangel Michael, who could be more evil than what we’ve already seen.”
ARE YOU STILL SCREAMING ABOUT THOR: RAGNAROK? BECAUSE I’M STILL SCREAMING ABOUT IT. I need so much slice-of-life on the ship fic, I need so much kissing-and-more resolution to the hug scene, I need so much speculation on what happens when they get to where they’re going, I need so much about the various friendships forming, I need so much fic about a whole bunch of people crammed into a relatively small ship for months and the hilarious and awful things that happen because of it. AND FANDOM IS DEFINITELY ON A ROLL WITH IT, THERE’S MORE GREAT STUFF. (Part one is here!)
THOR: RAGNAROK FIC RECS: ✦ The Breath Between Regrets by Vera (Vera_DragonMuse), thor/loki & valkyrie & heimdall & hulk & korg, ragnarok spoilers, 9.5k The journey to Midgard should take a year and a day. Long enough for many things. ✦ What the Thunder Said by kyrilu, thor/loki, ragnarok spoilers, ~1k Days after the battle, Thor’s skin is still sparking lightning. ✦ the silver forked sky by powerfulsound, thor/loki, ragnarok spoilers, nsfw, 1.2k There is a storm, sparking under Thor’s skin. Attracted to it, a magpie to shiny things, Loki is helpless in Thor’s wake. ✦ Reunion by riventhorn, thor/loki, nsfw, ragnarok spoilers, 1.3k After so long apart, Loki can’t help being drawn to Thor. ✦ Privilege to love by will_thewisp, thor/loki, NSFW, ragnarok spoilers, 2.6k He didn’t know why Loki felt the need to fight him on every ground, to hide things that had no business being hidden, but he was determined to meet him on every occasion. To Thor it seemed that Loki fought with himself as much as with Thor. ✦ followed you down by homovikings, thor/loki & heimdall & valkyrie & tony & sif & cast, ragnarok spoilers, 5.3k It’s Asgard but it isn’t. ✦ drowning on your shore by psikeval, thor/loki, ragnarok spoilers, 1.3k Loki, entirely solid, does not flicker and does not flinch. ✦ In my Arms by wetdandelions, thor/loki, NSFW, ragnarok spoilers, 1.2k “I’m here,” says Loki. Set after the end of Thor: Ragnarok. PWP. SPOILERS. ✦ In the Flesh by hjbender, thor/loki, NSFW, ragnarok spoilers, intersex!loki, 6.3k Loki stares back, gives the stopper a gentle toss. It sparkles briefly in the air before he catches it again. “There isn’t anything else you’d like to give me? Nothing you’d like to say? Because”—he spreads his arms and smiles invitingly, both hands suddenly empty—“here I am.” ✦ Nowhere Is Home Unless We’re Both In the Same Place by Velocity_Owl87, thor/loki, ragnarok spoilers, 1.3k After the dust has settled, Thor realizes the implications of Kingship and Asgard’s future mean for him as the new King of Asgard. Thankfully, he doesn’t have to grapple with the situation alone, at least. ✦ Heroes Run Towards Their Problems by Naiveandoptimistic, thor & loki & valkyrie & hulk & korg & cast, ragnarok spoilers, 1.6k Post-Ragnarok. Valkyrie is a drunken hot mess. Loki conceals, Hulk worries, and Thor gives some wisdom. ✦ Not an Illusion by janto321 (FaceofMer), thor/loki, NSFW, ragnarok spoilers, ~1k Loki and Thor find comfort in one another ✦ black sheep and mischief by grim_lupine, thor & loki, ragnarok spoilers, 3.2k A bird alights on Thor’s shoulder and pecks his cheek twice, hard enough to make him wince. “What are you doing?” it warbles in his ear. “Wondering what my brother is doing up at this hour, little bird,” Thor replies. “Will you go ask him for me?” ✦ Never Doubt That I Love You by ValkyrieShepard, thor/loki & heimdall & valkyrie & hulk & cast, NSFW, ragnarok spoilers, 10.6k After Thor’s proposal, Loki pulls away. As Thor is busy trying to rule his people, Loki finds him again, and the two of them scout a possible planet for their people where Thor tries to get through his brother’s walls. There is much Loki has to work through. ✦ after you, i dont know what i believe in by CallicoKitten, thor/loki & valkyrie & bruce & heimdall & cast, ragnarok spoilers, 9.6k aka, the long road to midgard ✦ Crossroads by kyrilu, loki & heimdall, ragnarok spoilers, ~1k As Loki leaves Sakaar with a shipload of former prisoners, Heimdall decides to ‘visit.’ ✦ victory runes by spookykingdomstarlight, thor/loki, ragnarok spoilers, 3.3k A snake couldn’t change its colors, try as he might, trust his own intentions as he wanted to. At this moment, legs braced on either side of Thor’s lap, he couldn’t imagine doing anything to undermine Thor’s rule, his wants, his needs. But tomorrow was another day and Loki’s whims were mercurial.
which would u say is the biggest ship of ur life as of rn?
let me see
I’ve just never seen two characters who were so openly fond and gentle with one another, who have this quiet intimacy that just settles in the atmosphere, always lingering in one another’s orbit. Torn apart time and again but still gravitating towards each other. Like, even if for some reason they did each get another character as a romantic interest, I’m way past the point of ever believing they’d love anyone else more than each other lmao. Literally nothing could convince me of that based on what we’ve seen in canon. Their relationship was also by far the most well developed and fleshed out in my opinion.
I think what I enjoyed most about Sam’s first foray into DMing is all the hints of a much wider world. The weird little girl who clearly knows way too much? Why does everyone want to kidnap her? Whatever’s going on with the Cult of the Chained Oblivion? An Eladrin princess from a city that only appears during the totality of a solar eclipse? You could make a whole campaign out of this shit and yet we only get tiny glimpses as they all collide in this one shitty, shitty tavern.
I find it cool how in magical girl shows, whenever the main character fires off a hypersonic beam or something at the villain, the villain ends up looking defeated on the ground or their bodies are just gone, while in SVTFOE, Toffee gets his fucking body incinerated and melted down into goopy piles of bone and flesh. It showed us what would most likely happen if a person got hit with one of those magical beams. Damn Star.
I just want to give a genuine thanks to @this-too-too-sullied-flesh for not only being willing to share spoilers from the musical episode, but for being so open and inclusive about it. She literally took pages of notes (what a nerd), and honestly it’s just a really nice thing she’s doing, and a very generous way of going about it, so thanks bro, forreal!
Below, we have compiled a roundup of what In The Flesh creator, Dominic Mitchell, has teased could happen in series 3 over the last year on Twitter.
Warning: contains spoilers (obviously). However, please bear in mind In The Flesh’s future is still very uncertain and the plot points mentioned below may never come into fruition or could become subject to change.
Now, where were we?
Series 2 left the residents of Roarton with, if not a bright future, certainly a more optimistic one. The Walkers had come to terms with Kieren living life as an openly partially deceased syndrome sufferer, free of contact lenses and cover up mousse to disguise his undead appearance. He and Simon had decided to stay together in the village, giving their relationship a go after Simon turned his back on the Undead Liberation Army and Jem had finally seen the light when it came to Gary, but was left dealing with the effects of PTSD brought on by The Rising and needed to face the consequences of accidentally killing Henry Lonsdale while on patrol. Meanwhile, although our BDFF, Amy, had been buried for a second time, representatives of Halperin & Weston Pharmaceuticals were last seen digging her back up again as there was “still time”, which left us with one of the most infuriating cliffhangers in living and redeemed memory!
So, what happens next?
According to Dom, things aren’t looking all that positive after all. Not that this should come as a surprise to any of us, as we are talking about Roarton here.
It seems that the village parish council, in all their wisdom, have decided segregation is the best answer to keeping the peace between the pulse beaters and the rotters in their community. Roarton Valley is now divided into two parts: West and East. While the undead have been designated to live on the East side, the living all live on the West side.
Kieren, having moved out of Steve and Sue’s house is now living with Simon in the East, but cohabiting together in a normal domestic relationship is still a little new to them:
KIEREN WALKER: You done the dishes?
SIMON MONROE: (Bemused, isn’t used to domestic life) I haven’t done anything to the dishes!?
After betraying the ULA and disobeying the Undead Prophet’s order to kill Kieren who they believe is the First Risen, Simon is still very paranoid about ‘his guy’ being hurt by the other ULA followers. If anyone touches a hair on Kieren’s head he won’t think twice about sticking one of those surgical instruments he was given by Julian through their brain! And Simon’s wise to be on his guard, as his ULA mentor, Julian, is still a loyal disciple to the Undead Prophet and will be coming for him. Chances are, it’s not going to go well for Simon.
Meanwhile, having confessed to killing Henry Lonsdale, Jem is charged and brought to trial for his murder. To the shock of everyone, including Jem, the court gives her a suspended sentence. Although she is free, she is ordered to attend group therapy sessions for her PTSD where she meets new character Alex, a disabled PDS sufferer still traumatised by The War. Jem and Alex (whose gender is unconfirmed) bond over their shared guilt over killing people during The Rising and it’s not long until they begin a (possibly lesbian) relationship, much to the chagrin of Gary who still holds a torch for his ex-girlfriend. But stalker Gary isn’t half of Jem’s problems as Henry’s mother is out for vigilante justice, believing she “got off scot free” for killing her son.
Despite Halperin & Weston Pharmaceuticals now being one of the biggest companies in the world having developed the PDS treatment drug Neurotriptyline, rumour has it that one of the founders, Dr. John Weston, has gone insane and has tried to burn the whole Research & Development building down in Norfolk. He has now disappeared completely.
But what about Amy? Apparently, she has the biggest storyline of them all! Poor Philip has been suffering from depression after the loss of his girlfriend and when he goes to visit Amy’s grave, he discovers something shocking…
Our money’s on an empty grave and a missing cuddly toy tiger, but for now, that’s all we know.
We will update this article if, as or when Dom reveals more. It goes without saying that two years on after the second series concluded, we continue to miss In The Flesh terribly and still live in hope it will rise again.
But in the meantime, those of you on Twitter, be sure to follow @DominicMitchell and with any luck, he’ll tell us further details as to how our beloved characters are getting on.