seems like i can’t keep my trap shut so im DOIN IT! not enough women in the penumbra podcast, you say? okay! as far as i’ve seen, the chief arguments supporting this claim are
1) there are more male characters than female characters
there aren’t. actually, there’s an incredibly even spread. both recurring and one-time characters are just as likely to be a man as a woman (usually in the binary sense, but occasionally otherwise). i wont break it down into a chart of which characters are main vs secondary vs tertiary, because that’s subjective as hell and you know it
(this is all specific to the juniverse, by the by, because most of the argument is focused there)
2) too many of the villains are women
there are a lot of woman antagonists. i think there are objectively more woman antagonists than men. this is partially a genre-bending move, bc noir women are usually just there to have the hots for the leading man, or to be a femme fatale, and these girls are all outside of those roles.
this is also because when the leading ‘man’ is nonbinary and his love interest is a gay man, the only major role left open in the structure of this show is the antagonist, and they seem to take care to have a woman in a major role every episode.
the corollary to this argument is because these women are antagonists, they aren’t framed sympathetically. and that’s just not the way the writing of this show works, okay? villain isn’t exactly the right word, either. it’s noir, so the heroes are mostly antiheroes and the ‘villains’ are mostly antiheroes, too. there’s some exceptions on both sides, but applying a black-and-white morality to this show is really oversimplifying the truth to further your argument. ‘framed sympathetically’ is also a very subjective statement to make. it’s just as much about your personal perception of the character as the words on the page
miasma, i understand. but if you can’t sympathize with any of the women who are ‘villains’, it’s not because of the writing, it’s because media trains us all to hate female characters. when women are nuanced and have believable flaws, we learn to never forgive them for it
and whether you like them or not, they’re still characters, and they’re still women. pretending they don’t exist doesn’t help anyone
3) there aren’t enough queer women
there are no straight women in the juniverse. every woman in every role is queer
there’s only been one established happy f/f relationship, but lemme raise you this: there have been exactly two established happy relationships in the juniverse. captain khan has a wife offscreen, and valles vicky has a wife offscreen
4) juno’s nonbinary, so he doesn’t count, and there should be a woman in the leading role
i’ve only heard this stated explicitly once, but it’s usually kinda implicit in these arguments. still not cool!
i dont think we even realize how easily we erase juno’s femininity sometimes. yeah, he’s nonbinary, but he’s a lady. and when you claim that you’d rather see a binary woman in his role than a nonbinary one, you’re being transphobic. hell, guys, juno’s the first nb character i’ve ever seen in a leading role before. if that’s not something you want to see, this show probably isnt for you
& finally, as i’ve stated before, even if this show included zero women at all this argument completely undermines the wonderful representation of mlm and nonbinary characters, characters of color, disabled and mentally ill characters! there’s no right way for a show to be diverse! im mostly saying this as a white woman, because i notice we white women have a tendency to expect our representation should be handled before anyone else gets the chance
i heard @nihilist-toothpaste wanted ridiculously soppy dan-deciding-to-stay-in-florida. this happened. hi.
Sunrise comes soft and Easter-egg yellow, seeping into the sky like honey, the salty-fresh wind off the waves cutting through the warmer night air. Phil’s hand is cold and comforting in Dan’s – the beach is empty – they’re walking much closer than they usually do and Dan can’t bring himself to care very much.
“I’m going to miss you,” Dan says, quiet. Phil smiles at him sideways, crooked and bittersweet. His sunglasses cover his eyes, but Dan knows the expression in them all the same.