Corseque, my meta tends to be wild guesswork and based 99% on intuition, but I was wondering what you thought about both Rey and Kylo saying "you're the one who turns"? Because to my absolutely incomplete knowledge, the force has never lied. I don't think there's ever been a case where someone has said "the Force said this!" and then it turns out they were absolutely wrong. But, what I'm getting at here (and I've just gotten ohtze's Kill the King meta up to read, so bear with me if I'm (1/2)
saying the same thing, but the movie presents their reactions to the Force vision as ‘only one of them is definitely right,’ whereas, if the force never lies, then they’re BOTH right, and they both turn. Which I think would be most fitting, considering the emphasis on balance that TLJ gave us; having them both turn away from their original path and going gray is basically my lifelong wish now. Sorry if I’m just saying stuff you’ve already heard, but I was curious about what you thought. (2/2)
Ok, I was putting off answering questions about this because I have a different take on this than other (really good) meta writers in the SW fandom, so I’ve been sitting on my opinion to make sure it’s the one I want to go with. And it hasn’t changed in two weeks, so here we go.
My take on the Force Visions in this movie is this:
- Ben and Rey did not see the same vision; Rey is interpreting hers wrong
- their Force Visions only apply to the throne scene of Last Jedi
Note that other meta writers think the exact opposite, that
- Ben and Rey saw the same Force Vision;they’re interpreting it differently
- their Force Visions apply to the events of the next movie as well
And though I really like that view, and I wouldn’t be unhappy at all if that were the case, I don’t think that it’s held up by the specific wording of the visions as described by Rey and Ben. I think that Rian was using their visions as a plot device for this specific point in this specific movie to give Rey the impetus to go to where Ben was, and to provide character ambiguity during the confrontation with Snoke (and the scene afterward), and these visions probably won’t be mentioned again because their narrative work is complete.
So how exactly are these visions worded? Luckily, I have a subtitle leak of the movie, so I can look up exactly what they said.