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Doctor Who Panel - Ottawa Comic Con 2017

I haven’t made a post here for a long time but this is the most fandom thing I’ve done in a while and wanted to share. I attended the DW Panel and we had Peter Capaldi, Alex Kingston and Jenna Coleman in Ottawa which was great because we never get anyone and certainly not a current Doctor. They were all wonderful and I really enjoyed the event. Here are some of the highlights (I say highlights but this is basically the whole thing) 

Q: Peter Capaldi (PC) what do you look for in a partner?
PC: longevity 

Q: Fave monsters?
PC: Likes the Daleks but his long time fave are the Zarbi from the episode “The Web Planet”
Alex Kingston (AK): When she was young, she liked the Cybermen but now its the Silence (she never actually said the name, she acted like she couldn’t remember it and Jenna ended up being the one to say it)
Jenna Coleman (JC): She also likes the Silence. She finds the scariest monsters are the ones which never have to run but move slowly

Q: Fave Dalek scene?
JC: When she was a Dalek (“Asylum of the Daleks”)
CP: When they were shrunk and put into a Dalek (someone from the crowd shouted rusty, “Into the Dalek”)
AK: When she killed a Dalek (”The Big Bang”)

Q: Fave emotional scene without giving away any spoilers?
JC: The diner scene. It was shot over two days as they shot some of it in the diner and the rest in the studio. She didn’t think the parts shot in the studio were meant to be emotional, when she enters her Tardis. But Peter was there when he didn’t have to, in his own clothes, and seeing him there made her emotional
AK: Saying good bye to David, getting the ‘piss off’ (her words) from Matt, and for Peter it was hard for both of them to hold back their emotions but still be able to show it to the audience, of knowing what was in store for each other without the other knowing.   

Q: Jenna asked what it felt like dying
JC: She read in the script a raven was meant to fly at her, but she didn’t know what to expect on set and whether they would actually get a raven which would be made to fly at her. So when that didn’t actually happen she was so relieved she kept forgetting to actually die. 

Q: Choose a show or movie for Doctor Who to do a crossover
PC: Game of thrones, because the Doctor can definitely take down the white walkers
AK: Lord of the Rings, and the Doctor to face the Orcs
JC: The Thick of it (so Pc vs PC lol)

Q: If they could choose a name for the Doctor what would it be
JC: Bob 
PC: Doesn’t believe the Doctor’s name can be understood by humans, so it isn’t a word
AK: When she was shooting the scene where River Song whispers the Doctor’s name, the first take she whispered the name Shaniqua (lol) and caused an NG. She kept changing the name every time they shot the scene but wouldn’t say the other names 

Q: Fave line?
PC: I’m the Doctor
AK: Hello sweetie 
JC: Chin boy, show me the stars and Run you clever boy
(They got into a discussion led by PC, that Steven Moffat likes to notice peoples different quirks and bring it into the script. So it’s not a trait of the Doctor but the actor e.g. like how he runs funny. 

Q: PC why does Doctor who appeal to young people today especially with an episode like “Thin Ice”?
PC: (I loved how he answered this question and I’m not going to do it justice but here goes) There are a lot of things going on in the world right now which are bad, terrible and crazy. And it’s up to writers to put across a message about the times we live in. The Doctor sees things from a different perspective from all of time and space, to see what’s truly good and what’s truly bad. It’s in the Doctor’s character and we all have to keep saying it

Q: Do they have any input into how their character is written?
JC: The script is fluid during filming and Moffat can put a joke she said before hand into the script
AK: Likes how Moffat writes characters to be unique, so they have their own speech pattern. You can see a line without naming a character, but you can still picture exactly who would say it
PC: Even though he doesn’t change the lines they can interpret and deliver the lines differently from how they are written in the script

Q: Fave episode?
JC: Vincent and the Doctor, likes she get to meet such influential people from the past
AK: Also really loved Vincent and the Doctor, and that the Doctor was able to take him into the future and show him how people admired his genius and talent (honestly one of my fave scenes also)
PC:  Frontier in Space (To him only six people cheered after he said this so jokingly wondered if we are all really Doctor Who fans in the audience) 

Just some things I took note of

  • JC knew for a year she was leaving the show. They had already decided that Clara could not return to Earth, so she was happy with the ending
  • AK told us David Tennant loves playing cards. And him and Catherine Tate played a game between takes which she joined, to name a band from the last letter of the previous band named. They all got so into it they were more into the game than the actual scenes
  • Alex was asked if she would do a show with John Barrowman as River Song and Captain Jack Harkness. She walked over to Peter and covered his ears by placing his head against her stomach and covering the other with her hand, and whispered yes into the microphone.  
  • They are all for the next Doctor being a girl, PC added a woman as well. If they could choose an actress to be the Doctor AK choose Frances de la Tour, PC choose Melissa McCarthy, and JC declined to answer sort of hinting she could be in the running (the host added because the Doctor can choose a face he has known i.e. like PC)
  • AK says she can’t have a fave Doctor because it’s the same person but he is like a snake which sheds its skin (loved the metaphor), but River Song enjoys that the different Doctors come in different shapes and sizes ;)
  • PC told us his punk rock band was called Dream Boys (was very embarrassed by this admission) and his stage outfit was a white shirt and a bow tie. So he has always loved bow ties
  • The fave character AK has played is Lady Macbeth. She never grew up believing she would be on tv as Britain doesn’t have Hollywood like America. So hoped to make it in theater 
  • PC was asked what it was like being a side character on DW before becoming the Doctor. He gave a funny excerpt of how he sneaked into the Tardis and played with the console because he thought it would be his one and only chance in the cheapest toga ever made (thankfully it wasn’t)
can i just say something please, like it’s bothering me so much

This is going to a be a pretty long post, but please still read.

Right, so.
This is basically about trash on Donna/Catherine.

“Donna/Catherine is old.” and “Donna/Catherine is fat.” are the most common ones I hear, but then these same people go on about how they love actresses like Sandra Bullock and Julia Roberts. 

I’d like to clarify something for you, okay? Sandra Bullock is 50 years old. Her birthday is July 26th, 1964. Catherine’s is May 12th, 1968. Catherine is 46 years old. Julie Roberts’ birthday is October 28th, 1967. Admittedly, that’s only one year older than Catherine. But you see my point.

Right. So. Fat?

Honey, that^ ain’t fat. Now, you might be thinking, “But she’s wearing a corset.” Oh, sweetie, I got that covered. I’d like you to go to this link, thanks. You go watch that now, the rest of this post will be waiting.

Finished watching yet? Now you tell me how that is fat. No, seriously. Message me, message me anon for all I care. I just want to know.

Finally, I didn’t mention this above, but the absolutely most common one I hear is that Donna/Catherine is a bitch. 
In The Runaway Bride, Donna is quite bitchy, yes. But that’s how the episode was written. PLUS, she comes back from that. She spends the rest of that time searching for The Doctor, for a new beginning. And she gets it. She is not bitchy once in series 4. She’s sassy as hell, oh yeah. But you’re sassy too. You’ve never sassed your parents? You’ve never gotten cocky with someone who was trying to tell you what to do?  That helped The Doctor see what he was doing. He needed Donna. He loved her. Whether you think romantically or bromantically is up to you, but he definitely loved her. And just because Donna in one episode is slightly bitchy and some of Catherine’s characters are quite rude, does not mean that Catherine is anything like that. She is a really amazing person.

One more thing, I’d like you to search the word ‘bitch’ and tell me what comes up. Oh, wait I could just put ‘em here for ya.

  1. a female dog, wolf, fox, or otter. (noun)
  2. express displeasure; grumble. (verb)

I also feel like this needs talked about.
Stories: Rose vs. Donna.

Rose:

  • She had a caring boyfriend, who loved her to death. A mom that cared for her and loved her just as much. She ran away with a strange man anyway. Not even a second thought. She left her boyfriend on the street to go with another man. While with that man, she fell in love with him. Very much in love with him. Might I remind you that she was still in a relationship with Mickey? Then she brought Mickey along. She literally flirted with both of them and in front of the other. But The Doctor matched it and fell in love with her. Then Doomsday happened. Yes, sad. But then Journey’s End happened. Rose, even though it wasn’t exact, got what she wanted. She now lives a happy life with The Doctor, he can even grow old with her. Her dad is alive and her parents are even back together, PLUS her mom is pregnant. All in all, for Rose. It’s not that bad. She’s even living the rich life.

Donna:

  • She has horrible relationships, where the guys treat her like she’s a worthless piece of shit. Her mom literally does the same exact thing. She refused to go with The Doctor the first time, but then realized she doesn’t want her shit life anymore, she wants to see the universe. So she sets out to find him, and does. They are instant best mates, a perfect duo. He needs her. She needs him. They help each other. She becomes the most important woman in all of  creation. She becomes something; someone. But then that’s all taken away. The Doctor erases everything that she ever was and became from her mind, even though she begged him not to make her go back. She can’t go back. Because she knows she’ll go from feeling important back down to nothing again. After this, she meets a guy. They’re dirt poor. They can hardly afford an apartment. She gets headaches. She gets so sad, but never knows why. If one little thing reminds her of the slightest thing with The Doctor, the memories flood back and her mind implodes. She dies. Donna literally gets nothing she wanted. 

Now, I’d like to see one person tell me Rose’s story was more sad.

I’d like to say, re: the whole RTD vs. Moffat science in Doctor Who that the technobabble isn’t the important part. I see people comparing the two showrunners’ use of it, but that’s really a tiny part of the larger issue.

As an artist who is training to work in the industry as a visual storyteller, I’ve been taught to be objective, even if it hurts.

I have dissected things I love because in learning why something doesn’t work because by doing so, one learns what does. I am more interested in becoming a stronger storyteller than I am interested in maintaining my little bubble of denial that all the stories and characters I love are not problematic.

Does that mean I no longer like those stories and characters? No, absolutely not, but I will never argue with someone who also objectively and diplomatically points out these problems just so that I can happily pretend they don’t exist.

If you’re someone who doesn’t want to be that objective about things you love, that’s fine, but that does not give you the right to be rude to or about people who are comfortable enough to. I see this far too often by fans who take criticism on DW personally. It can be personal to you without you taking it so personally.

It’s not a discussion of intelligence or taste, but many fans seem to take it that way.

RTD is not flawless, no artist or storyteller is.

However, RTD and those under his management during his run wrote stories with meaningful themes that were character-driven, either as standalone pieces (Midnight, The Doctor’s Daughter,) or as arcs with specific outcomes in mind (Bad Wolf, Torchwood, Mr. Saxon, Medusa Cascade, etc.) Many of his stories reached us through reflections and truths of humanity and changed our lives; I can say unequivocally that RTD’s Doctor Who changed my life and I will tell you, objectively, why.

The story always came first, and regardless of the believability of the scifi-ence that took place at times in order to facilitate it, it became believable because of the way in which we were sold on what is happening both to and between the characters as they interacted with each other. This happened so effortlessly because they were written as very real people in very emotionally-real situations, even if the literal situations or settings were often otherworldly.

In many ways, this is Storytelling 101. This is the most important reason that we care about telling them in the first place. If stories can effectively capture and express part of the vast spectrum of the human experience, even if they are set in outlandish and otherworldly settings, then we can empathize. We can connect.

We will connect whether we want to or not.

If something is well-written and contains the elements required for us to realistically empathize, it will happen. So to those who complain that those who like RTD only dislike Moffat because he’s not RTD: please stop trying to insult fans by making excuses for writing that is objectively poor by using this as if it were some kind of defense. The writing does not become better simply because you have a subjective opinion of it.

Doctor Who under Moffat’s run has failed again and again to give us characters who achieve a realistic level of depth. You can like these characters, no one is telling you what to enjoy, but many fans will never fail to try to automatically “fill in the holes” to justify their own reasons for liking something so much. We’ve all done this at some point in our lives.

As much as I would have wished for Amy, Rory,  even River to be given a realness, something genuine and flawed in more than superficial, half-baked ways or ways necessitated by the current story, it didn’t happen. 

These unreal characters were written into equally unreal stories, where they reacted unrealistically and experienced unrealistic outcomes that usually included a lack of true and lasting consequence.

Moffat is touted as being a writer that does terrible things to his characters, but those “terrible things” mean very little when the characters they happen to don’t react to them like real people. A character displaying powerful emotions doesn't equate to a well-written one. I really can’t say this enough. What use are characters that don’t react the way you or I might, or the way any other human being might?

The entire point of the Story Concept and why it meant anything to us in the first place begins to disintegrate. We can no longer connect, only observe in a detached manner the bits of humanity that remain in what has become essentially just a caricature.

I grieved as I observed the show that changed my life begin to wither away. After the departure of the Tenth Doctor, I was so saddened that I was ready to move on into Matt Smith’s era because moving forward would ease the pain. The Doctor is a character whose essential nature is based in change. I was not someone spiteful to see David Tennant replaced. Unfortunately, the quality of what followed was objectively worse from a technical storytelling standpoint no matter how much I wished it weren’t. I marathoned most of the DW episodes from Eccleston to Smith, so I didn’t even have a waiting period to possibly spend feeling nostalgic or ruminating and coming up with subjective excuses as to why I preferred RTD’s run to Moffat’s.

RTD overlays technobabble on top of a meaningful story. Doctor Who is a scifi show, so we will always expect to hear explanations we’ll never actually understand, because that isn’t the point.

We don’t need to understand how any of the scifi-ence works as long as it’s believable. It’s believable as long as the cause and effect structure of the explanation lines up with what we believe has been necessitated by the events, both literal and emotional, of the story.

When technobabble is thrown at viewers in Moffat’s series, many will find themselves upset at its lack of realism and attempting to reconcile it with what they’re seeing (or more than likely, what they’re not seeing) because the story has failed to make sense or feel real. This is usually because they story ends up being convoluted, asking more questions than it answers, or attempting to superficially pull our heartstrings with a “sad situation” that is often over-the-top and reminiscent of fiction written by inexperienced writers that haven’t yet understood effective story structure or how to arrange points of emphasis.

What’s happening currently with Clara (Kill the Moon) is being declared an improvement, but one has to wonder if it’s just another development to be later forgotten, as many similar outbursts by other Moffat characters have fizzled out to be replaced by the trend of no-consequences. Either that, or it could become one of the superficially emotional situations. I hope that it’s neither, because there’s nothing I want more than for this show to mean something to me again.

So, in short, it’s easy to feel incensed by scifi-ence when it becomes the icing on top of a cake that’s had the leavening, milk and eggs left out of it.

Like a recipe, writing a story requires a formula. Princples of storytelling and character archetypes exist because they work. That feeling of utter satisfaction after watching a movie or a show or reading a book is the result of proper application of those agreed-upon guidelines that are mostly invisible to the reader or viewer until they look for them. 

So don’t get distracted by which showrunner used technobabble better, because you may have preferred the flavour of of icing on the cake you had 4 series ago, but perhaps instead of complaining about the icing you should be more upset about how disappointing and inedible your favourite cake has suddenly become, or something.

Best highlights from the Doctor Who panel at MegaCon 2015.

Featuring Tony Curran (Vincent van Gogh), Karen Gillan (Amy Pond), and Alex Kingston (River Song). (I’ll use T, K, and A to designate who’s talking). 

I basically wrote down everything I thought was noteworthy, including stuff I found to be really hilarious, interesting, or important. I didn’t write down the questions in exact quotes or necessarily in order because I didn’t want to miss the answers, but these are the basics of what happened. Exact quotes will be in quotations, my narrations/summaries are in italics. (I’ll probably end up putting some of the really hilarious quotes and other things into their own posts as well). 

At the beginning of the panel, they introduced themselves and got off on a little tangent about Vincent and Doctor. 

A: “That episode makes me cry every time.” She said she didn’t really know why, but she watches it with her daughter and she’s cried every time at the end when the Doctor takes Vincent to the museum. 

Q: Off screen did you ever act like each other’s characters, and can you do it now?

K: Laughed and said she would do it. She imitated River by saying “Hello, Sweetie” in a really deep voice. 

A: Didn’t want to do it at first, but Karen convinced her. She imitated Amy by yelling “Doctor!!!!” (Also imitated Vincent by saying a line that was in the original script about being a painter and being chased by a giant chicken, and she did it with a Scottish accent). 

T: Had Karen say “Your hair is orange” and responded with, “So is yours” in a pretty good Amy impression. 

Q: If you were the Doctor, who would you choose as your companion (in all of time and space)?

K: “All of time and space? I’m thinking…Jesus.” 

Moderator: I think Jesus would be the Doctor…

K: “No, he’d be my companion!”

A: “I wanted Jesus!”

K: Well you can have Buddha.

A: Yes, that’s true, I could have Buddha. But I think I’d really choose Bob Marley. 

Me to my friend: “Imagine all the hair!!” 

T: So do I take Mohammed now or something? 

Q: (To Karen and Alex) Did either of you know that River was Amy and Rory’s daughter before it happened? 

A: Said she knew way ahead of time, an entire season before the rest of the cast knew. She teased the rest of the cast with knowing something they didn’t, but she never told them. 

K: Arthur (Darvill) figured it out though, didn’t he?

A: Shook her head and said no. Apparently he pretended like he had figured it out but he really hadn’t. Also Matt pretended like he knew something Alex didn’t know to try and get her to tell him what it was. She also said that they kept the revealing scene really, really secret and there was something about the crew even using a fake piece of paper or something in relation to filming the scene and keeping it so secret.

Q: If you weren’t famous, would you go to conventions and cosplay?

K: “I love Star Trek.” I would definitely go and dress up as a Klingon. 

A: “I would go as an anime.” (The crowd asked her which one, exactly). I don’t know, I haven’t really seen any animes but I just love the wigs. I have five!

K: Laughed and asked, “When do you wear them?” 

A: I wore one for Halloween one time, I’ll show you a picture after this. (The moderator asked her if she could show us now, but she didn’t have the picture with her on stage). 

Q: If you could star on Star Wars, Star Trek, or Red Dwarf, which one would you choose to be on and who would you want to play? 

K: Star Trek, specifically Voyager. 

T: Star Wars. I’d want to play the Emperor. Then he said, in a really good Emperor impression, “Jedi…” Then he added that he would also like to play Boba Fett.

A: Star Wars. I think I’d like to play Chewbacca! At which point everyone Chewbacca roared. 

Q: What was your most memorable moment from Doctor Who?

A: Talked about when they were filming The Time of the Angels when River flies into the TARDIS and lands on top of the Doctor. In one of the first takes, she landed on him and “kneed him in the nuts.” (If you haven’t seen the video where Alex talks about this, you need to so here it is. Go watch it).

Q: (I actually don’t know the question for this one, I think it might have come from a tangent they got off on from the “most memorable moment” question. Alex was talking about working on Silence in the Library with David Tennant and said one of her favorite moments was whispering the Doctor’s name in his ear). 

K: “What did you say? Did you actually say his name?” 

A: Smiled that “spoilers” River smile we all love and said, “Yes.” 

K: You actually know his name?!?! “What is it?” 

A: Didn’t say what we all thought was the inevitable response but continued on talking about how they had actually told her the Doctor’s name. 

Q: (To Alex) Are you coming back for series 9?

A: Now time for the inevitable response, and we all knew it was coming. “Spoilers.”

Q: If you could travel with a different Doctor other than the one you’ve experienced, which one would it be. 

A: Immediate response. “Well I’m the only one who actually experienced the Doctor.” (Yep, that just happened). 

K: Said David Tennant at first, then debated between Tennant and Capaldi because they’re both Scottish, but finally stuck with her original choice because “I think he’d be funny.” 

T: Said he’d like to go back to Tom Baker. 

A: Said she would like to go back to when Doctor Who first began and be in the black and white episodes. 

Q: If you could choose another profession besides acting, which one would you choose?

K: I’d want to be a therapist. 

A: “I wouldn’t go to you.” 

T: “It’s sort of like Jesus,” but I think I’d want to be a carpenter. 

A: I think I’d like to do claymation. She talked about how she had to do a short claymation film for a project and said she really enjoyed it. 

Moderator: So you know about Gumby, right? 

A: “I have no idea what Gumby is!”

Q: What was the most challenging moment you had on Doctor Who?

K: Talked about how she had to do a lot of stunts on Doctor Who and specifically recalled, in Angels Take Manhattan, when she had to be suspended upside down for 1 minute with Arthur Darvill and kiss him. She said blood vessels were popping in her face and her face was all red after they shot the scene. 

A: Talked about a scene on a beach but didn’t mention a specific episode (I’m thinking maybe The Time of the Angels but I’m not sure). She said it was pouring rain and they only had one large umbrella for the whole cast and crew and they were all huddling underneath it. Then she said to Karen, “I remember you were sitting on that rock just freezing!” 

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As an overall summary, all three cast members were really funny and very kind to the people asking questions. They were all very inspirational when it came to talking about tips for people who wanted to be actors. I hope you enjoyed these little snippets! The panel itself was absolutely awesome, and I hope I at least did it a little justice. I wish I could have recorded the whole thing, but we weren’t allowed, unfortunately. 

"Group Therapy" - A summary of the Doctor Who Q&A Panel featuring Matt Smith and Karen Gillan at the Wizard World Philadelphia Comic Con

(credit to @aboleyn on Twitter)

Okay so Matt and Karen’s panel was earlier today and it was absolutely amazing! I documented pretty much everything during the panel for you all to read at your enjoyment! There was A LOT so I’ll be putting it under a read more, read at your own risk/pleasure/whatever you prefer.

(Some highlights- Matt and Karen doing the drunk giraffe, as if they were “star-crossed lovers”; Matt’s socks; their mothers; Matt being slightly jealous of Peter Capaldi; Matt and Karen singing the Doctor Who theme song, and encouraging the audience to join in; a lot of sass on Karen’s part; and Matt’s inner Doctor coming out.)

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