i love the romeo and juliet reference

this was one of my favorite songs from this season’s soundtrack. this was the clip right after isak first found that video of even where he mentions his love of baz luhrmann, the fact that he makes epic love stories and that a love story has to have one of its main characters die in order to be epic. and this was when quite a lot of the viewers started to wonder if isak and even’s story was going to end in tragedy. and this was when the romeo and juliet references began, and this right here was the first one

in the romeo and juliet movie, talk show host is used as a background song when romeo is introduced. in skam, it’s not used when we first see even on screen, but that moment when he walks in slow motion and he and isak lock gaze still feels like an introduction, because it’s the first time isak sees him after he learned his name, it’s the first time he sees him after we finally get to know more about him, and i think it’s also the first time isak truly sees him as someone he could want to be with - you can see that click. in the movie, that scene says this is romeo, and in the show, that scene says this is even bech næsheim. and at this point, we’re not exactly sure what role even is going to play in isak’s life. we’ve only seen a full episode and a few clips, and we do understand that he’ll probably become a love interest, but we don’t know at this point the extent of the impact he’s going to have in isak’s life. is even simply going to be a love interest? is even going to be isak’s lover, his romeo?

in skam, talk show host is not only used as a reference to the movie, it’s also used because the lyrics we hear (and which we don’t hear in romeo and juliet) fit isak’s situation perfectly

i want to be someone else or i’ll explode

isak has been pretending to be someone he is not for too long. he’s feeling the pressure of masculinity standards and internalized homophobia, he’s trying so hard to be someone he isn’t. and he confirms it at the very end of the season, when he talks to eva and tells her how his life was fake and boring before. and it was never something he was happy with, no one can be truly happy living a life where they can’t be true to themselves, where they feel like they have to hide not only from others but from themselves. living like this suffocates you, it makes you feel like you’re going to explode

so yes, this was a reference to luhrmann’s romeo and juliet. and at that point some people still speculated that isak and even’s story might be like romeo and juliet’s. but throughout the season, they’ve distanced themselves from romeo and juliet’s narrative. and in the end, even wasn’t isak’s romeo, and their story didn’t end in tragedy. even became so much more than a love interest. this wasn’t simply a love story. it was the story of how isak learned to accept himself for who he was, it was the story of how he slowly managed to get rid of that feeling of wanting to be someone else or he’ll explode. and even helped him in that regard, not actively because self-acceptance is something that has to come from within and isak is the one who went through that journey, but there’s no denying that even’s presence in his life acted as a catalyst that helped him reach the point where he is now, where he feels like his life is finally real. it was also the story of isak overcoming his prejudice against people with a mental illness, understanding and knowing and feeling like someone’s mental illness doesn’t prevent him from loving them, it doesn’t prevent him from wanting them in his life 

this was the role even played in isak’s life, his long lasting impact. and this is why no matter what happens, to paraphrase what isak himself said, he will never hate even, and he will always be insanely happy he met him

Even wanted to change the story

This season started off with Romeo and Juliet references and parallels all over it. Isak watching Even walk outside school, the pool scene, cuddling in bed, ‘someone has to die for it to be an epic love story’. And we’ve all been freaking out because we thought that meant Even would die. 

But these past couple episodes Even has been referencing Pretty Woman. Nobody dies in Pretty Woman. They get their happy ending at the end of the movie and maybe Even realised that epic love stories don’t need tragedies, sometimes you can be in a long-lasting happy relationship. He even talked about it in the last clip, when he climbed up the balcony Isak would think it was a Romeo and Juliet reference but it’s not it’s Pretty Woman where they ‘save each other’ instead of dying. I remember reading on here a while ago about some people wanting to see the parallel  of the infamous ‘balcony scene’ and maybe the reason we haven’t yet is because it’s not the one we think it will be. Because Even has changed his perspective now, he WANTS the outcome to be different. 

Maybe I’m reading too much into it but I just truly want to believe Skam will do this right, that they will make Even’s feelings genuine and not a ‘side-effect’ of being manic. 

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ISAK SAW THE ROMEO AND JULIET REFENCE TOO

those are the scenes from his first flashback. it’s unleashed by the cross which resembles the crosses from romeo and juliet. he thinks of himself and even, then there’s a part of romeo and juliet, then the cross and at the end even’s interview where he said that one person has to die to make it a love story.

yes, there is a kind of reference. but it’s only there because it makes isak leave for even. (i hope)

A little ISAK+EVEN rant (SKAM)

So this whole Romeo & Juliet reference in the show seems to have made people scared/afraid that Even might die in the end.

Especially the line Even said early in the season “That for a love story to be epic, the main character has to die”.

In Norway SKAM is known for portraying real life events in a real life manner. Other shows often exaggerate these kinds of “cliches”.

I think the whole point of this season, is to make a point to say that life isn’t like a movie.

Someone doesn’t always have to die for people to experience real love. People are in love all over the world.

It’s clear that Even’s mindset is stuck in this cycle. He tries to recreate these epic moments with Isak.

I think in many ways Isak can be the one person to help Even realize that not every moment has to be GRAND and amazing.

So what is Isak’s “lesson” in all of this? There has been much focus on mental health. Accepting yourself (gay) - but also accepting others.

Isak has grown up with a mom who’s made him detest all kinds of mental illnesses. This is where I think Even is crucial.

Maybe, just maybe - Isak and Even’s relationship will open Isak’s eyes on what mental illness is - and that it’s not the end of the world.

Because, if the whole point of the show was to recreate the tragedy we saw in Romeo&Juliet, why just not air that movie on TV every Friday?

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I don’t know if this was intentional or not but the way that I see it is that there is a Romeo and Juliet reference with the illuminated crosses in the church.

Romeo arrives at the church seeing the love of his life’s body laid to rest, unknowingly to him he is unaware that she is just put under a coma like sleep. Having missed the vital information in the letter telling him that Juliet is alive, Romeo ultimately gives his life up and dies just as she wakes up.

The difference with Isak is that he had received the message from Even telling him what he had to do if he wanted to get the love of his life back in his arms. Isak thought he missed his chance when he arrived at the chair and didn’t see Even there he thought he had missed the time, until Even walks out and they make their eye contact.

With the crosses in Romeo and Juliet, Romeo is walking towards them perhaps symbolizing the death of their relationship because he knew he wanted to perform the greatest act of love which is to will the good of another (die for them). In SKAM Isak is walking away from the cross and I think that’s showing that he’s not giving up on him and Even and he wants their relationship to keep going and continue to flourish with the newly found acceptance Isak has for Even.

Another point to add is that in Romeo and Juliet after they are both dead, flashbacks of their relationship and everything they’ve done together are shown, whereas the flashbacks of Isak and Even’s relationship are shown before Isak goes to run after him and Even showing that it’s not the end for them it’s just the beginning.

okay so I just realized that the “Princess Vivian” and “what happens after I save you…you save me” thing was a reference to Pretty Woman.

Which, taking into account Even’s comment about Isak initially believing it to be a Romeo and Juliet reference, it’s actually a very positive thing.

Romeo and Juliet is a tragedy, right? The two lovers take their lives and even though it was a beautiful time for them, we can see that it was just a tragedy.

But Pretty Woman ends happily, it’s a real love story. And throughout the story there are beautiful moments peeking through a struggle that ends with them getting their happily ever after.

And Even’s comment, “It’d be perfect if that was your answer! because then you’d think it was a Romeo and Juliet reference” aka you’d think it was a tragedy but really it’s a love story.

We’re watching this unravel, afraid that it’ll be a tragedy. But by the end we’re going to see that it’s been a love story, and one that ends with happily ever after.

Since we refer Isak and Even to Romeo and Juliet, I’ve started to think it would be amazingly great if in the end of the season we would get Even saying something like “I used to tthink that every good love story has to end up with death. Now I see it doesn’t. I want to live with you, forever.”
Just imagine that. We deserve to see them happy. They deserve to be happy. And live, for God’s sake.

anonymous asked:

My English teacher left me very confused when learning about Romeo and Juliet. He said that it wasn't a love story because they didn't love each other; Juliet just basically used Romeo, but I don't know what to think. Can you please explain to me if it's a love story, tragedy, or both?

Did your teacher say that Juliet used Romeo? How rude.

The first thing we have to remember is that the feud is the exponent of an unhealthy ideology that promotes violence, hatred, prejudice, and brutal misogyny. Don’t ever forget the world they lived in. Romeo and Juliet are not normal teenagers living in a normal world and making stupid decisions. They are children whose mental health ends up destroyed by the ideals of their families. I just won’t stand anyone who refers to them as ‘dumb’ because it’s a very insulting way of dismissing the destructiveness of social oppression and abuse. It’s so evident that their families caused their deaths that at the end of the play nobody has the guts to blame them for their own deaths and dismiss their emotions as shallow or dishonest. What they have done is too monstrous for them to deny. When both patriarchs find the young lovers dead together in the crypt they see the wrong in their actions and take responsibility for it. They know they killed their children. It was not teenage folly that ruined Romeo and Juliet. It was a sick society that glorified violence and prejudice.

Perhaps your male teacher is annoyed by the fact that Juliet hardly fits in the role of a sixteenth-century obedient wife who goes along with whatever her husband has to say. On the contrary, Juliet has a voice of her own. It is evident from the first conversation between the lovers that she has a very particular, specific way of thinking, and which doesn’t necessarily match that of Romeo. For instance, she gently mocks his stereotyped courtship when she says “you kiss by the book.” I would say she is a far better poet than him—he actually learns from her. Think about the way she corrects him when he tries to swear his love by the moon. She literally rationalizes everything. Romeo needs to get on her level. Later on, he will ask her to “sweeten with thy breath / This neighbour air, and let rich music’s tongue / Unfold the imagined happiness that both / Receive in either by this dear encounter,” to which Juliet answers that “conceit, more rich in matter than in words, / Brags of his substance, not of ornament”. You see, she doesn’t always agree with him, and she presents her own points of view resolutely. She is the one to give lessons.

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anonymous asked:

so I WAS PISSED because someone said Isak's personality is similar to romeo,, like i know the romeo and juliet reference as a storyline but i never thought of personalities!!! so i was like NAH SON i fuckin hate romeo hes a føkkboy who literally fell in love with someone after looking at them and was willing to die for them two days later,,, and hes an angsty impulsive little twat........ and then i was like........ wait.... isak IS similar to romeo....

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anonymous asked:

What do you think it means that Sebastian swears on the moon? (Said to Grell) I was really surprised to hear a passage in the Qur'an.(Mudessir 32-34) :)

Ah, that’s a reference to a famous scene from Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet where Juliet asks Romeo not to swear his love for her on the moon because the moon is inconstant in its shape and position and therefore she fears that his promise would also change.

When Grell and Sebastian are fighting Grell first makes a comment about them being like Romeo and Juliet:

So Sebastian also comments with a reference to Romeo and Juliet:

I didn’t know there was such a passage in the Quran but I think in this case it’s rather supposed to be a reference to Romeo and Juliet. :)

  • what she says: i'm fine
  • what she means: the anidala love theme is entitled "across the stars" which i suspect is a reference to romeo and juliet in which the two are described as "star cross'd lovers" because both couples must keep their romance and marriage a secret and in the end it ruins them so yeah i'm not fine :)))

anonymous asked:

Hi! I have a play coming up on friday and I was wondering if you knew of any good wolfstar theatre au fics? If not that's fine, and I hope you have a good day!

I know your play has come and gone, but I promised a more extensive answer in this post, so here you are!

*Updated 1/15/16 with the last two fics*

Theatre AUs:

  • Likewise Variable by ssstrychnine– 29k, T, non-magic high school modern AU. “James has plans, Peter is the nurse, Sirius keeps fake blood up his sleeves, and Remus just tries to stay alive.”  Remus and Sirius star in a production of Romeo & Juliet. TW for references to self-harm, child abuse. Angsty with a happy ending. 
  • *Cue, Love, Go by lelamore– 27k, T, modern non-magic AU. “When Remus decides to assistant stage manage the show “The Importance of Being Earnest”, he never thought he would end up falling for the supposedly egotistical actor, Sirius Black.” I like the techie representation in this :) Also it’s very very tumblr and very very theatre.
  • *Chemistry by lumoscrimsom– 2k, G, non-magic university AU. “Remus is directing the university play, in which the lead actor is extremely gifted.” Very nice, much sexual tension.
  • *Hear My Voice by Badger Chamomile– 25k, T, MWPP era. “While doing a production of the musical Bare: A Pop Opera for class, the Marauders discover alarming parallels between themselves and the characters they play…” Quite angsty at times but also plenty of fluff.
  • Year the Sixth: Muggle Theatre by Naissus– 5k, T, MWPP era. “Sirius is swept up into the bizarre world of Hogwarts-style muggle theatre, which also brings him to the strange and wonderful Lily Evans. Remus watches miserably from the sidelines.” Sirius and Lily do a production of Sweeney Todd. Beginnings of Wolfstar & Jily.
  • Theatre, Apparently by Quicquidlibet– 1k, T, MWPP era/parallel universe fic. “The Marauders, Lily Evans, and Severus Snape are transported to another dimension via potions accident where they are all Muggle American high school students who are heavily involved in their after school theatre program…” Very strange but very theatre. 
  • The Marauders Play Macbeth by The Marauder Named Prongs– 3k, T, non-magic historical AU. “In 1600 Britain, Sirius is frustrated by his lack of success as a dramatic actor and vows to act in a Shakespeare play.
  • Over analyze again, would it really kill you if we kissed by badasskorra– 402 words, G, modern AU. “Sirius has to rehearse his lines but since his co-star Lily isn’t around he asked the stage worker, Remus, to help.
  • *A Study in Multimedia, Theatre and the Definitive Argument that Tea Should Not be in Bag. by iLoveSourWorms– WIP~ 5k, M, non-magic modern AU. “In which Sirius is a theatre actor, Remus has the misfortune of being an amateur play critic (but is really just a tumblr geek), James and Lily fall in love and Peter just tries to survive.

Aaaand I couldn’t make this list without self-rec’ing my little wolfstar techie AU ficlet:  part 1, part 2

anonymous asked:

do you agree to the parallel of sam and dean to romeo and juliet in this episode?

(Prefacing this with unpopular opinion for some, I suppose)

Hello dear!

This depends to what extent, I guess. If you refer to this moment

of Dean dying marking the moment Sam elsewhere miles alway starts to stirr and come back from a what looked like death, then yes, I do absolutely see this as a “Romeo and Juliet”-esque type of tragedy.

And it doesn’t surprise me at all as Dean has been framed as “Romeo” for seasons now starting in 9x17 “Mother’s Little Helper” when Crowley called him Romeo. From there on out, we have had countless nods to Shakespeare and themes prevalent in his writing such as love, death, betrayal, identity and most of all tragedy (aside from “Romeo and Juliet” we had also massive parallels and nods to “Hamlet” last season). And in this episode Dean even considers the same death as Romeo does when he thinks Juliet died: Meaning he decides to chugg a handful of pills and other medicine, which comes close to what in the original was described to be poison if I remember correctly - and you know, that calls all the way back to Dean thinking of himself as poison.

So all these parallels I totally agree and see. But I don’t see a parallel with Sam and Dean framed as the same kind of romantic love as it exists between Romeo and Juliet in the original. To me this parallel of Dean either trading his life for Sam’s or being okay with dying should Sam be dead and not come back, drive home how Dean is slipping back into old patterns and with that knee deep into his trouble of not being able to see his own worth and importance outside of Sam (which this season gets an even new layer due to him thinking he’s unable to help when it comes to fighting Amara) and his sad and extreme attachment to Sam, meaning his co-dependency.

So to me the parallel here works in the tragedy of two people, with the emphasis on Dean here, much like Romeo and Juliet being unable to see a life worth living if the other one is not in it. Resuming to faking death to be together was messed up in Romeo and Juliet already even though it is considered one of the biggest love stories.

If there are characters to fit this bill about Romeo and Juliet in a romantic love vibe perfectly then to me it is Michelle and her husband Corbin, who even had been on their honeymoon when they were on the trip into the woods, which is fitting to “Romeo and Juliet” too as they wanted to get away after their marriage.

Either way Michelle’s words of how she “watched her husband die” and how “there’s no normal after that” seem very compatible to Julia kiling herself when she realizes Romeo is dead. On top of that it is yet again strengthening what Lucifer told Sam in 11x10 “The Devil in the Details”: “That he has to watch the people he loves die in order to defeat the Darkness” and that’s where we’re headed imo.

Dean tells Sam she’ll be alright because he needs her to be, because he couldn’t bear any other thought, but truth is I don’t think this episode highlighted that she will be okay, I think the opposite is the case and Dean’s face in the end showed that he knew it.

So a couple of months ago when we went to see Mockingjay in the theater, my friend Gilly pointed out that Rue’s song is the first four notes of the love theme from the 1968 Romeo & Juliet.  At first I didn’t think much of it, but then this morning it came to my mind again and I realized-  Romeo & Juliet are the most famous star-crossed lovers in all of history.  Katniss & Peeta are referred to as the star-crossed lovers.  Guys- what if they used that tune on purpose?

anonymous asked:

Hello! In the "it is the east, and Juliet is the sun" speech, is Romeo talking about Juliet's virginity?

Yes, albeit in a sort of abstract way, and I think it has less to do with the actual act of sex than the possibility of winning her love. Romeo’s whole failure to win his first love Rosaline in the first act of the play is largely a result of the fact that she’s determined to “live chaste” (read Romeo’s conversation with Benvolio at the end of 1.1 for more background on this). With that in mind, here’s the reference Romeo makes to Juliet’s ‘maidenhood’ in that later speech:

Arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon,
Who is already sick and pale with grief, 
That thou her maid art far more fair than she:
Be not her maid, since she is envious;
Her vestal livery is but sick and green
And none but fools do wear it; cast it off.

The idea of Juliet being the moon’s handmaiden goes back to classical mythology and the virgin followers of the virgin huntress and moon-goddess Artemis/Diana. Romeo implores Juliet not to remain in the service of the moon because that would require her, like Rosaline, to abjure the company of men. So, is he talking about her virginity? Yes, but that’s reductive. Look at his next line:

It is my lady, O, it is my love!

This is about a lot more than just sex. It’s passionate. It’s emotional. It’s infused with respect. He wants so much more than just her body. To call her his lady and his love is intimate and important and much more serious than the cutting off of maidenheads that Gregory and Sampson joke about in the opening scene. Like so many things in this play, it’s evidence of the fact that love and lust are not mutually exclusive. He’s not talking about her like some girl he just wants to bang. He’s talking about her like she’s already his wife.

I’ve seen quite a few posts about the specific use of the Romeo and Juliet death scene in GMW as foreshadowing regarding Riley’s relationships with Lucas and Farkle, but something occurred me and, quite apart from Riley’s reactions to both boys, the more I think about it the more the whole thing of having Farkle as a spear carrier is just so clever.

At first I just immediately read the fact that he was a spear carrier as a reference to BMW, which obviously on the surface it is. But the idea of a spear carrier makes a lot more sense in ‘The Play’s the Thing’ because they’re doing Hamlet, set at the Danish court at Elsinore where there would be guards and spear carriers. (Admittedly the scene we see Stuart doing at the end is Hamlet’s soliloquy from Act 1, Sc 2 when he should be alone on stage, but the whole cast is still there so you could read that as a directorial decision to have that delivered as though Hamlet’s saying this silently to himself rather than out loud).

But why include a spear carrier in the final scene of Romeo and Juliet? In the death scene of all places?

Now, there is actually a third person in the tomb with Romeo and Juliet in the play … Paris. The other man who wanted to marry Juliet. If this was a straightforward representation of the play it would have made a lot more sense to have Farkle as Paris, because in the text he’s actually there. Yeah, Paris fights Romeo and dies but if Farkle’s going to interrupt the play anyway, why not have him do it as Paris? Have him decide this time Paris gets the girl?

Except Paris is pretty obviously never going to be anything other than a temporary obstacle for Romeo and Juliet. Both of them refuse to let him come between them - Juliet by faking her death, Romeo by actually killing him. I mean, yes, on the surface the tomb scene is the tragic end to what is an ultimately doomed relationship and I think the decision to use that scene is important for that reason. But this is also where Romeo and Juliet choose to be together in death rather than let other people (read: Paris) come between them. So even if Paris did get up again and decide he gets Juliet this time, it wouldn’t mean much because Romeo and Juliet have already chosen each other over Paris.

A spear carrier though? A spear carrier who shouldn’t even be there? I mean, he could feasibly be anything. He could even persuade Juliet to pick him over Romeo when she wakes up. A spear carrier could swoop in and change the entire story. Hell, just having the spear carrier there automatically changes the story because if, theoretically, Juliet and Friar Laurence’s plan hadn’t gone awry, having a spear carrier there to witness the supposedly dead Juliet waking up would have been a little bit inconvenient. 

So just the fact that there is a spear carrier should signal that the story is not going to play out as we think. But then, this is a spear carrier that, because of lighting and costume choices, we don’t really notice to begin with.

Kind of, you know, like how we didn’t really notice Farkle at first because he was so clearly the Minkus character who would probably disappear after a while.  

Just … I sometimes have issues with what this show does on a micro level episode-to-episode. But on a macro level, they are clearly thinking in painstaking detail and it is so clever.

Some re-watching of an ‘old’spy...

Today I re-watched ep.8.2 of Spooks and noticed so many beautiful things in Richard (of course)….

The (sardonic) smile:

The (more than ever beautiful) eyes:

The long legs and the muscular figure:

The scolding, ‘John Mulligan’-ish looks (gosh, I find them so sexy too):

We also meet some ‘old’ characters again….

Last, but not least, I also like the Shakespearian references we can find in this episode (see, I’m not that shallow): 

From King Lear, Act II, scene 4: 

I will do such things,—
What they are, yet I know not: but they shall be
The terrors of the earth.

From Romeo and Juliet, Act III, scene 1:

A plague on both your houses!

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