i just like theon a lot

kaira-parker  asked:

Want some insights into book Asha Greyjoy. In the show I get the impression she loves Theon, but sees emotion as a weakness. What's the deal with book Asha? Is her love for Theon more obvious in the books, non existent in the books? I'm kind of curious about the relationship between those two, and if you've done an analysis.

well, in the books Asha is quite clever, though I don’t think she understands her little brother very well (neither does she in the show) in the second book when he comes home and acts like an arrogant douche, she bullies him. which does quite a bit of damage that she doesn’t realise. when she tries to convince him to come home after he’s taken Winterfell, she insults him a lot and as a result Theon refuses to listen to anything she has to say and focusses his conviction that she’s just jealous and is out to steal his throne and wants to get him to give up winterfell to shame him. So he stays, without even considering anything she says at all. until she’s leaving and he’s looking at her leaving and he kinda realises that she’s right then and that he should have left too. But it’s already too late. (this is one of the reasons that I, unlike most other Greyjoy fans, don’t think that Asha’s behavior towards Theon in the brothel scene in season 6 was out of character for her)

I think that if she’d taken a different approach with him, been nice and showed him how much she cares about him, he would have probably listened to her and abandoned winterfell. the problem was that at that point he was holding on to Winterfell/ his stark identity (wish) for support because he’d concluded that his real family didn’t want him anymore and that was partially due to Asha being unskilled in understanding what her little brother was going through. I don’t think she thought he was damanged, she probably thought he was just arrogant.

Asha does love her brother fiercly though, despite all his faults. she cares for him. I mean look at this:

“ He had hated the look on Asha’s face when she realized who he was; the shock in her eyes, the pity in her voice, the way her mouth twisted in disgust. Instead of rushing forward to embrace him, she had taken half a step backwards. “Did the Bastard do this to you?” she had asked.
“Don’t you call him that.” Then the words came spilling out of Theon in a rush. He tried to tell her all of it, about Reek and the Dreadfort and Kyra and the keys, how Lord Ramsay never took anything but skin unless you begged for it. He told her how he’d saved the girl, leaping from the castle wall into the snow. “We flew. Let Abel make a song of that, we flew.” Then he had to say who Abel was, and talk about the washerwomen who weren’t truly washerwomen. By then Theon knew how strange and incoherent all this sounded, yet somehow the words would not stop. He was cold and sick and tired… and weak, so weak, so very weak.
She has to understand. She is my sister. He never wanted to do any harm to Bran or Rickon. Reek made him kill those boys, not him Reek but the other one. “I am no kinslayer,” he insisted. He told her how he bedded down with Ramsay’s bitches, warned her that Winterfell was full of ghosts. “The swords were gone. Four, I think, or five. I don’t recall. The stone kings are angry.” He was shaking by then, trembling like an autumn leaf. “The heart tree knew my name. The old gods. Theon, I heard them whisper. There was no wind but the leaves were moving. Theon, they said. My name is Theon.” It was good to say the name. The more he said it, the less like he was to forget. “You have to know your name,” he’d told his sister. “You… you told me you were Esgred, but that was a lie. Your name is Asha.”
“It is,” his sister had said, so softly that he was afraid that she might cry. Theon hated that.”

I think that says enough ;)

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Imagine being a servant and Jon Snow saving you from the advances of Theon. Afterwards, the two of you admit your feelings and share your first times together.

Word Count: 2,266

Warning: Hints of Smut but nothing detailed

((The “first time” isn’t that detailed because it was getting pretty long and I like the ending, so, I’m sorry to the person who requested this if it’s not as detailed as you wanted it to be!))

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cafeleningrad ha risposto al tuo post “can it be that Theon has a fixation on older women? And why?”

tbh, women about their end 30s, beginning 40s are so attractive to me? They bloom once more, are more mature, and seem to be more themselves. Maybe that’S just objective but I like women in that age since they lost children’s fat and mentality.. *shurgs* Or I simply like people older than me.

EH. Women between 30 and 50 are the goddesses we do not deserve as a species. Especially chubby ones. 


But yeah there’s a lot of ageism in our society

Sansa: [in Winterfell during GoT Season 5] I wish we could all get along like we used to in Winterfell… I wish I could bake a cake filled with rainbows and smiles and everyone would eat and be happy

Theon: She doesn’t even go here!

Ramsay Bolton: Do you even go back to Winterfell in the books?

Sansa: No, I just have a lot of feelings

Ramsay Bolton: Okay, go home



“Who is she?”  Robb asks, standing beside Theon on the balcony of his room, “She’s beautiful.”



“That’s the queens younger sister.”

“Why didn’t I see her yesterday with the others?”

“She arrived a day later.”

Robb was walking through the halls when he heard music coming from one of the guest rooms. He knocked at the door but no one was answering, so he opened the door slightly and entered when he saw you. Robb cleared his throat to announce himself.

“I’m sorry was I too loud?” You ask and put down your instrument, seeing the man standing in your room.

“Oh no, I shouldn’t have come in like that but it sounded really nice. I’m Robb, we haven’t met yet.”

“You’re Ned’s son?”


“Great…” You look around the room with a guilty face, “I’m sorry for the mess.”

Robb laughs when he notices what you mean. He didn’t pay much attention to the room until now. There were books stacked everywhere on the floor, not much room left to actually walk.

“You sure like to read a lot.”

“Yeah but they’re not all mine. Half belongs to Tyrion I just borrowed them. I wanted to read about the North.”



“You’re in the North, why read about it? You can take a look yourself.” He says with a smile, gesturing outside.

“I suppose that is true. I didn’t think about that.”

“I can see that.” Robb says with amusement. You surely were a bit strange but in a good way, “I’ll leave you to your studies.”

“Please don’t tell me you like her.”

“I like her.”

“Robb noooo.” Theon whines, shaking his head, “She’s a Lannister.”

“I can’t help it, she’s so cute.”

Rough and...Ready?...

Imagine Modern au where you go to high school with Robb Stark, you HATE Robb, and suddenly you’re forced to tutor him in math. One thing leads to an argument and an argument leads to something rough and hot.

((anon asked for it, I’m delivering. Hope you like!))

((I had Robb Stark feels… I partially blame @a-song-of-ice-and-new-hope ;) just kidding haha))

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Alright, you and Robb didn’t get along. Like, at all. Everyone at your high school knew that, all the students…all the staff…it was no big secret. Robb was the jock who thought far too highly of himself, having hung around Theon Greyjoy for far too long, and you were the straight a “know it all.” BUT for some reason you had been chosen to act as Robb’s Calculus tutor. Why it couldn’t have been someone else from your tutoring club, you would never know, but you did know you were now being forced to spend your entire Saturday afternoon with him.

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I just wanted to make a little post about Reek (theon)’s body language at the time of his torture/torment because it’s really deep and it shows how psychologically damaged he really was so here is a little list of things I’ve noticed

.First off, his eyes/head. He almost never makes eye contact with whoever is speaking to him unless forced to do so (via hair grabbing or chin lifting by Ramsay) His eyes and head always seem to be darting around too in mostly fear and paranoia. His eyes are almost never still for longer than a few moments. 

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. The way he speaks is always in mutters or short clips (unless it’s a case in which he needs to act like Theon). He seems to not prefer long sentences and when he speaks he seems to be on the verge of breaking down into crying/yelling. When talking to Sansa he spoke vaguely and got very upset when she asked him questions he wasn’t allowed to answer. Whenever Ramsay talks to him, he always seems to avoid speaking to perhaps avoid saying things he’ll regret. And when he does talk in longer sentences, you get the crying voice I was talking about before (or just crying he does that a lot)

. the way he walks seems to be very pained mostly because of his injuries and soreness from the cross. Even when his foot was healed he seemed to shuffle with insecurity

.This one is minor but he seems to breathe in a weird “verge of crying” sort of way (sorry for my choice of words), very choked up. He also groans a lot, which is a VERY minor detail but when he’s not talking he’s always making some sort of pathetic noise.

.The last and the most sad one is the way he flinches/backs away whenever someone makes an attempt to touch him or does touch him. It really shows the effects of his abuse and how truly paranoid he is

Sorry this was so rushed and poorly said, please feel free to add your own examples!

anonymous asked:

you mentioned that robb and sansa were close. but, how can you compare their relationship to arya and jon's? i mean robb didnt have a POV so we dont get to see who he was closest to...

Well, I can’t say that their relationship was equivalent to what Arya and Jon had, because you’re right, they were lucky enough to get screentime both on the show and in the books, unlike Robb and Sansa. But we don’t have to see them talking to know they loved each other. And we do get Sansa’s POV, and that’s a lot. And even without Robb’s POV, I can say with certainty that while he loved all his siblings with all his heart, he was most likely closest to Sansa, Jon and Bran. 

There are countless times when Sansa has mentioned Robb with much affection in her chapters. She has also remembered playing with him at Winterfell. I’m not sure if this is true or just a headcanon I read, but I remember reading about them playing the game of knights and maidens where Theon was the villain Robb rescued Sansa from, etc etc. They were clearly close, and it’s no wonder, really. Maybe they are not identical in personality, but they had a lot in common. And maybe because Sansa didn’t feel connected to Arya and Jon (of course she loved them, but still), she found it easier to confide in Robb, which she did.

Even after being separated with him. Back to the quotes now. These are some of my favorites:

“Do you know who led the vanguard?” And to this Sansa thinks: “Robb? It was too much to hope for, but…”

Another one: “Robb will kill you all”, she thought, exulting. 

“I must be brave like Robb.”

“Robb had died at a wedding feast as well. It was Robb she wept for.”

“Robb had melting flakes in his hair when he hugged me.”

“I pray for Robb’s victory.”

And here’s Robb addressing the matter of Sansa being married to Tyrion: “If I could, I’d take his ugly head off. Sansa would be a widow, then, and free. There’s no other way I can see.”

On the show the mentions have been fewer, but some of my favorites are:

“They say my brother Robb always goes where the fighting is thickest.” 

And when Joffrey threatens to bring Sansa Robb’s head, she replies by saying: “Or maybe he’ll give me yours.”

And this is Robb addressing the hostage situation Sansa was in: “The Lannisters hold prisoners of their own. I won’t give them an excuse to abuse my sisters.”

You’re right, though, we can’t be 100% sure that they were close because we did not get to see them interact. But I am willing to bet they were. All these quotes speak for themselves. Sansa clearly looked up to Robb and saw him as the one who would protect and save her. And he tried, he truly did. I think this relationship is very underappreciated, but it’ll always be one of my favorite Stark relationships <3


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day twenty-six: favorite S1 scene

1x08, the pointy end, “Treason? Sansa wrote this?”

“Are you afraid?”
“I must be.”
“Why is that good?”
“It means you’re not stupid.”

as in: there’s a lot of scenes I could have picked because S1 was definitely my favorite as far as show!Robb was concerned, but I went with this one because of that shaking hand detail which in my opinion was one of the best additions they made to the original canon when discussing Robb’s show writing - more under the cut before this post becomes way too long.

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swimmingengineergalaxy-deactiva  asked:

LOVE your mini-essays and theories. That being said, I tend to defend lots of characters from oversimplification, like Theon ("betrayed the Starks and deserves to die"), Dany ("is incompetent and hypocrite"), Arya ("has become a sociopath"), Sansa ("is just boring and stupid") or Stannis ("is a religious fanatic"). But when ppl downgrade Jon as a classic hero, I... Agree. Not that that cheapens him, but he's a POV character, there's probably more to him, can you give a different insight to him?

Thanks! I’m assuming by “classic hero,” what we’re talking about is the Campbell-Lucas popular fiction Hero’s Journey and its many slight-to-significant variations. There is a lot of that with Jon in AGOT, and yeah, it isn’t always the most well written (especially compared to Bran’s chapters in that first book, which played with related tropes). But it only gets better from there, and even his AGOT chapters work as part of the whole. I think Jon Snow has probably the most well-constructed and thematically coherent identity arc in the entire series. Everything is in its right place. Every mentor leads perfectly to the next. Every beat and twist lands, every escalation and distillation is earned. “Who is Jon Snow” is integrated into every scene with increasing grace, and refracted among what I’d argue is the best supporting cast of any POV: Samwell Tarly and Dolorous Edd Tollett, Aemon Targaryen and Donal Noye, Qhorin Halfhand and all his men (Stonesnake lives!), Ygritte and Mance and Tormund and Val, Alys Karstark…and I’m rather mushy about him and Stannis, as I’ve hardly been shy about. 

The proof is in the payoff: the Pink Letter, Jon’s reaction to it, and the assassination that follows is just…structurally…perfect. Like, The Exact Perfect Thematic Thing for his storyline, every bit as much as Drogon dropping out of the sky at Daznak’s was for Dany’s. I mean, yes, it was also emotionally devastating, of course. But purely in terms of storytelling assuredness, of thematic clarity, of writing an arc, I can’t imagine it done better. 

cynicalclassicist  asked:

So why did D&D think Ramsay needed more focus then Stannis? Do the words Creator's Pet perhaps apply here?

I suspect it’s partly an outgrowth of the fact the writers don’t care about plots north of Moat Cailin, and partly general misunderstanding of Ramsay’s original dramatic purpose.

The writers have never been interested in Northern politics, Ned’s legacy, or Jon Snow’s fraught relationship with Winterfell. They’ve never understood Stannis or invested effort into Sansa. They’ve all but ignored the fact that the Ironborn have occupied large chunks of the North since season two. And those are the central pillars of the plot in the North (except for Sansa, as of AFFC, but I expect that to change in TWoW). These things are all factors that take multiple seasons of thoughtful writing to get across properly.

But Theon and Jeyne Poole getting tortured, those plots they could get their heads around. They saw nice, discrete, season-length character arcs in that. And so they built nice, discrete, season-length character arcs around Theon and Jeyne Poole Sansa being tortured. Since Ramsay is the chief torturer in those arcs, he’s on screen a lot. In terms of plot, with all the book plots I listed pared back to almost nothing, Ramsay has become a blunt dramatic instrument, there to be a roadblock preventing Yara from rescuing Theon and Brienne from rescuing Sansa and the vague, amorphous Northern society from participating in any sort of plot-relevant anti-Bolton activity. Need something accomplished between Moat Cailin and the Wall? Too bad, Ramsay time!

It’s a boring role, though, Ramsay. One-note and intentionally so on GRRM’s part. It would be easy to think you were wasting an actor. So they gave him more to do, dramatically speaking, a bit more nuance, forgetting why it was GRRM chose to make Ramsay Snow so utterly one-dimensional (and also a minor character). They have the time to expand Ramsay’s role, now, since they edited out Jon’s concern for his sisters, Stannis’ campaign in the North, and the fantastic stuff with the Northern lords convening in Winterfell. (With regards to Stannis, I suspect we’ll see Jon Snow take over his role, as we saw Tyrion take over Barristan’s and Dany’s narrative roles in Meereen. Ramsay, I think, is simply the instrument of removing Stannis as a military power in this case.) That’s how we get from the gleeful torturer in season three, through an increased focus on Ramsay’s daddy issues in seasons four and five, to poor sad Ramsay mourning his dead abuse victim girlfriend (she was never scared of him, honest!) in season six.

I suspect this is the case because this is pretty similar to what happened with Tywin Lannister in seasons one to four. Book!Tywin is nowhere near as one-note as Ramsay, but he is an ice-cold emotional abuser (and a lot of other bad things) without a shred of humour to him. Personally, I find scenes where Tywin interacts with his children painful to read precisely because Tywin does not give them anything, emotionally speaking, not the slightest indication that he’s affected by them and therefore that they matter to him. The emotional range he displays in public is very limited. That has to be hard to write for screen.

With Tywin, the writers took a shortcut to showing depth. Hence stern grandpa Tywin talks about Jaime’s dyslexia with Arya, going so far as to laugh at her “most girls are idiots” comment, displays actual passion when talking to Tyrion (even if it’s seething rage over his failed murder attempt), and reframes the Red Wedding as something he did to protect his family. 

This “depth” and “nuance” means that the nature of how book!Tywin abused his family on a day-to-day basis is necessarily dulled.

Likewise, misunderstanding why Ramsay’s a one-dimensional villain means the writers have missed the broader thematic point (I know, I’m as shocked as you are). Ramsay’s one-note evil is not an asset. As far as problem-solving goes, all Ramsay has is a hammer, and to him, every problem looks like a kneecap. Unsurprisingly, this is not a good way to win friends and influence people. It’s not a good way to keep allies. Ramsay’s gone past the Machiavelli point of “avoid being hated.” The point of a lot of the Winterfell stuff in ADWD is to see how people nominally in Roose’s own camp are plotting against him - not just to see Theon tortured more.

But yeah, between not caring and not understanding, that’s how we got Ramsay the Villain Sue. Thanks for the question, @cynicalclassicist!

anonymous asked:

Would you say Theon is a villain? I've seen many people describe him as such but I wouldn't call him one.

short answer: nope.

long answer: no, because Theon is supposed to be a lot of things among which is a deconstruction of the traitor trope (I’m linking you that meta because if I rehash it now I’ll never end this, it’s the third bullet point XDD), but like, a villain is someone who is not just the foe in the story (also because they can be protagonists), they do evil things because most of the time either they want to or they think it’s their moral duty to, and anyway they’re perfectly aware of what they’re doing. I mean, if we’re talking villains in asoiaf, I’d go and say fucking Gregor/Roose/Ramsay/the Freys/possibly Tywin/maybe possibly LF though Tywin more because he’s an utter piece of shit than because of strict literary reasons, and that’s reductive anyway bc asoiaf isn’t coded in that kind of distinction. But like idk a villain is *thinks of other fantasy fandoms and shit* I DUNNO SAURON/SARUMAN/RANDALL FLAGG/THE RED SKULL/ULTRON/YOU NAME IT. Antagonists can be villains but they can also be people put against the protagonist while not being inherently villains or bad people (see: WINTER SOLDIER *cough*).

Given this, assuming that the audience is siding with the Stark side because they’re presented as the *good guys*/protagonists on the *good* side at that point of the story, when Theon betrays Robb he is being an antagonist for that side obviously, and he’s doing plenty of horrible things, but the point is that he didn’t want to and didn’t start with that plan. The guy just wanted his dad to ally with Robb so he’d get what he wanted and feel like he belonged somewhere while being on equal footing with his best friend instead of his hostage, and since he’s a walking Freudian case for reasons that are mostly outside his control (I mean, he didn’t ask to be born in a culture where being a *shy kid* means that you got a fair amount of abuse thrown at you before you were nine before being shipped as a hostage somewhere else where there’s one person who is close to you/likes you and all their relatives/your captors keep their distance because they could have to kill you at some point - then he developed all of his self-esteem/identity/belonging issues because of that but like it was completely outside his control) and he wasn’t fit to be in charge and he didn’t know what he was doing he ended up digging his own grave. Never mind that he was also being manipulated by Ramsay aka The Actual Villain for half of his Winterfell stint but whatever.

And the point is that Theon does shitty things because he has issues and just wants someone to fucking like him because he’s that fucked up, not because he’s evil. Which shows because the moment he pretty much gives Ramsay the mental middle finger and rejects the Reek identity completely the first thing he does is saving Jeyne’s hide when he has nothing to gain for it. I mean I think it was @bringingbackmara who said it once upon a time but in asoiaf there are exactly two scenarios of the typical ‘hero saves maiden/girl from the horrid monster’ and one is Jaime and Brienne in the bear pit and the other is Theon and Jeyne escaping from WF and I 100% agree with that, and that was the first decision the guy took for himself without any other influence since idk deciding he’d invade WF, probably. If you write Theon off as a villain you didn’t understand anything about his arc - he’s there to show you that the hostage system is fucked up, to deconstruct the traitor trope and to have THE identity arc of the series among other things, not because he’s a villain. He does have an antagonist role if we assume that the Stark side is the *good* side or if you look at it from that perspective (but he’s not if you look at it from the Lannister perspective for one), and assuming that the Stark side is the good one and the rest somehow aren’t is really having a read of these series that completely kills the entire point of it wanting to be complex and not a ‘good guys vs bad guys’ story. I mean honestly if you look at who’s alive on both Stark and Lannister side you can’t say who’s the good guy and who’s the villain since right now everyone including the ten year old kid *cough* Bran *cough* is being so morally gray you couldn’t be grayer. Gdi the one who’s being least morally gray is Jaime as far as I’m concerned in this precise moment in the narrative, and he started looking like the one who wasn’t even morally gray and more in the complete asshole territory. (Not that I ever thought Jaime really was a 100% bad guy for reasons even at that point but this isn’t about Jaime so.) Finding villains in asoiaf is already a hard feat tbh because not many characters are actively coded as such (I wouldn’t even say Cersei is one, and maybe we can count Joffrey because he makes bad things because he’s deranged and he always had a villain/antagonist role even as far as his relatives were concerned, but then again things are fairly complicated for him too so…), but Theon being one out of every not strictly-coded-as-the-flawless-fantasy-hero character in those books is completely far-fetched.

So sorry but nah, if you think Theon’s a villain you didn’t understand shit at least about his SL.

Maya didn't do something wrong.

I feel like a lot of people keep on hating Maya just because she likes lucas. They shouldn’t cause she tried to keep it for 2 years and she is not theone who admitted , it’s Riley who frigured it out , and just randomly told Lucas about it. Also is really hard to keep feelings and it hurts especially if your crush has a something with your best friend. I mean rucas shippers didn’t saw Texas ? Maya didn’t tell lucas or riley, and when riley finds out (by her own) maya didn’t want tell lucas even if riley was pushing her. Just saying…

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darksister7  asked:

Hi! first of all, I really enjoy your posts and meta(: my question: I remember Theon thinking about how he once hoped that Ned would marry him to Sansa and then he would be a part of the family. Do you think that there was any chance, in a world where Robert didn't make the Joffrey/Sansa betrothal, that Ned might have considered that? Theon IS the heir to Pyke, and maybe a Lady like Sansa could be a good Stark-influence on him, like Ned hoped when he took him as ward after his fathers rebellion

Well… sure, there’s a chance? I mean, there’s not no chance. It would’ve been probably just a very low chance, as I think both Ned and Cat would have been very reluctant to send their little girl to (the hellhole that is) the Iron Islands, even with a Stark-raised Theon. Especially since if you look at history, the fate of greenlander wives (rock wives, even) of the king/lord of the Iron Islands has never been particularly good.

Though this does bring up the question of exactly what Ned had planned to do with Theon. Just keep him as a ward/hostage until Balon died, and then send him home as the heir? Even assuming that it would happen in Theon’s relative youth, this shows a fundamental lack of understanding of ironborn culture (which, as we know, influenced Theon also), and probably would have ended really badly. Unless sending Theon home wouldn’t have been just tossing him out there to fend for himself, but would include a decent sized northern army to make sure the inheritance proceeded in order… but that also probably wouldn’t have ended well.

Also, the fact that neither Sansa nor Robb were betrothed before the arrival of the royal party may say a lot about Ned. I mean, it’s not like there weren’t any offers – Rickard Karstark even brought his daughter Alys to Winterfell when she was 6 and Robb was 8 in hopes of making a match. And Catelyn was betrothed when she was 12 and Brandon was 14, so the kids were at the right age for it. So honestly the fact that it seems that the first time Ned even considered an offer for Sansa was when Robert asked; and for Robb the offers he’s aware of only really began to arrive when he was raising the levies after Ned was imprisoned – well, obviously it was because of Plot, but it’s still kind of weird, considering the setting.

Like, it tells us that Ned: (1) considered his children children and not mini-adults and/or resources (certainly a contrast to many lords); (2) had no major dynastic ambitions – possibly as a reaction to the theorized Southron Ambitions plot of his father’s that ended so badly; and (3) may have been ignoring or subtly discouraging any offers from his bannermen. Or acquaintances, even – like, when Bronze Yohn Royce visited Winterfell while escorting Waymar to the Wall, if he didn’t offer his daughter Ysilla for Robb, directly or implied, I’ll eat my hat. (There are several Royces on the Stark family tree, it wouldn’t be that out of the ordinary.) And yet Ned’s so surprised when Robert makes the offer… ah well.

Anyway, back to Theon– as I said, while a betrothal to Sansa was not impossible, even he knew it was only “a child’s fancy”. If the royal party had never come to Winterfell and/or the Joffrey betrothal had never been offered, Sansa probably would have been matched to a northern lord’s son, or perhaps (since she loved southern ways) to someone in the Riverlands or the Vale. (You can see some more thoughts on the subject here and here.) And Theon (if he chose to settle down, or if Ned decided maybe?) probably would have married some northern girl, though I can’t think who right now. Hope that satisfies!