I’m torn! I liked the episode but I also feel really anxious about it. Why Oliver doesn't trust her anymore? He admitted that he and Diggle had let her fall deeper and that maybe she didn't feel like she belonged this season and yet he doesn't back her play. Help me understand this please because I don't want to think like this about him. I wanted to enjoy episode 20 but this is upsetting.
Don’t come to tumblr/twitter much because of my job but I love Arrow, though I’ve only been watching it for a year. There are some I’ve been following that were really vocal about 5.19: they’ve basically been saying Oliver isn’t good enough for Felicity now and are angry at him for not trusting/backing her like she has him. Is it them who don’t understand or me? I thought it showed Oliver afraid. No mistrusting. And Felicity asking for equality. I saw a reply you gave once but I don’t know anyone who does them like that.
I wasn’t going to answer these initially because I feel they’ve been answered so fully by the names just below this but… I HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF OLICITY FEELS THAT CANNOT BE DENIED.
I needed to vent them! Overuse of gifs ahoy!
OK, first? Q2 Anon: I can give you the names of a few people who answer questions FAR better than I ever could if you’d like?
There are others that I’m sure you’ll find if you explore a bit ;)
There isn’t really much I can say past what hasn’t already been said by the 3 above.
But I need to clarify (even though you can’t answer) something Anon 1. You liked the episode?
Well I just about had a mini coronary. Honey, I don’t think you were seeing it properly. Episode 19 was like a piece fanfiction come to life. It was an episode to grin hard about and watch whilst gripping the edge of your seat. Something to feel deep in your chest the next day.
Everything in it – EVERY SINGLE SCENE – was a moment I’ve been waiting on pins to see.
And I mean, purely from the point of view of a fan: how could you not adore the return of the looks and the talking:
True, I DO think they made us wait a tad too long (kill me now – @scu11y22 knows especially, after episode 9 how close I came to having a full on shit-fit – but just a shit-fit, not a loss of hope) for this but I also believe that they wanted the whole Prometheus Vs Oliver = Oliver’s lowest moment score to occur prior to any progression that could be made between Oliver and Felicity…
It’s because they want them - their steps back to each other - to be part and parcel with Prometheus’s defeat.
And Prometheus is representative of Oliver’s demons. Of his darkness and his pain.
Something he can no longer run from like he has been doing for years. What he needs to face and defeat, to strive beyond.
It’s all so that the penultimate moment, episode 20, can mean so much more and have triple the affect it would have had without this.
Oliver can’t defeat Prometheus with his current mind-set. He can’t even stand against him: Prometheus has broken a vital piece of Oliver’s soul: his hope.
Think about it: Olicity closing the gap between them - healing that breach - each and reuniting possibly leading to the defeat of Prometheus. And what’s necessary for the defeat of Prometheus? For Oliver to step forwards into a light of his own making. A mission of his own choosing.
How much more epic can you get?
But you (Anon 1) (Anon 2, you’re fine girl/boy;)) were referring more to the deceptive lack of trust in this episode, correct?
That supposed absence of trust, the very thing that put a pause on this whole relationship? It’s an Oliver Queen smokescreen. Possibly subconscious on his part, at least initially. A not-so-flimsy cover up for Oliver’s real problem. A problem they’re going to bring about, in GREAT and uncompromising detail, in episode 20.
But let’s get into specifics.
It’s what we’ve been waiting for. And all of it, everything, was good. Everything coming will be better.
I think a problem a lot of people might also be having at the moment is the sudden rise of emotional intensity in the show.
Yes, I know: random. But.
Arrow has always been intense but it increases with each season: the actors are pushed into doing scenes and playing roles they’ve never done before, into bending rules and breaking past boundaries. Season 5 has been exemplary in this. But there’s been an upswing from episode 16, especially in regards to OTA and Olicity, that wasn’t as present earlier on. It’s been very welcome, but also, a bit of a shock.
They’ve had to wait you see: there’s been too much story to tell first. We got a lot of Olicity before anything else in season 4 so they needed to be true to their other stories first but you all know the other reasons as well. Lord know’s I’ve gone on about them too.
So now, everything feels powerful. Penetrating. Worrying? The script was so forceful in Dangerous Liasons, so intense: every scene featuring Oliver and Felicity was a scene that left a mark on the audience. People are feeling the heat - the kind of heat exhibited in 3.20 - and it’s such a burn that it people might consider it an omen.
Don’t feel anxious about it: not at all. It’s about facing the truth. About Oliver and Felicity facing each other. About facing themselves…
And they found themselves in each other once upon a time.
That still holds true. There was no way in hell that they were going to get to the root of each of their issues without them coming back to each other.
There’s no one he trusts, respects and admires more than Felicity Smoak.
But being honest with her - telling her about his 5.17 revelation (something he had to understand himself first) about his reasoning behind why he’s done what he’s done over the years - is something he thinks will make her fall out of love with him.
But it also might save her from becoming him.
This has absolutely nothing to do with trust.
For the first time, Felicity is the one he and Dig have to worry about… and like big tough Alpha males, it throws them completely out of whack.
It’s not about a lack of trust or a deliberate choice not to be there for her when she has been there for him every single time he needed someone.
He can’t possibly be ok with her behaving like him because she’s more. She’s better. She’s the example he measures all other acts of goodness and evil against. No other woman (or man) has come close.
And that’s just some of the examples and only the women.
But there’s been a lack of understanding between these two for the past year (A year… Christ, it’s been more than a year) and they need to hack it out but they wouldn’t be able to without a stimulus.
Now, Felicity TELLING Oliver that he doesn’t trust her was soooooo deeply satisfying, not because I agree with her. I don’t. She’s wrong. But I only know that because I’m the observer.
I loved it because she was finally being honest about how he’s made her feel. And how he’s made her feel isn’t just like she isn’t trusted:
It’s lonely. Alone.
She’s felt like she can’t go to him and ask for the assistance she needed, the help she wanted. The kind of love she deserves. Honestly, I’m pretty sure she didn’t want his help either. Not at this stage. She wanted to rely on herself. To decide for herself. To make the choices he and Dig have always made for her. To be their equal.
What she wanted was for him to say:
“I don’t like it. I don’t want you to do it. You’re asking me to stand back and watch you sell yourself because of a problem I caused. I don’t want it. It’ll hurt too much… but I’m going to. I’m going to because I trust you. You already know I love you. And now I’m going to prove what that actually means to me. I’m going to place all my trust in you because I believe. In. You.
But this is from the point of view of a woman who doesn’t fully understand Oliver Queen, through no fault of her own. She’s the closest any woman has ever come to truly knowing him: she DOES know him the best of everyone, even Thea…
And that is something he - subconsciously - can’t allow. He can’t have Felicity - the person he loves the most - close to his darkest demon. Can’t have her touched.
If she’d been ready at the time of their break up, maybe she would have seen something else and NOT a man who simply doesn’t trust her the way she craves to be trusted, the way she’d trusted him and still does trust him. Even after everything.
But she couldn’t help missing that because Oliver is emotionally stunted and very unaware of how his father’s promise and his survivor’s guilt have deepened that chasm inside him.
Oliver is also a man of his word.
He made a promise to himself and Dig and he was vehement in that promise.
It was a declaration of intent: I want her in this but not at the cost of what makes her… her.
Do you think that ever goes away for someone like Oliver? And do you think he ever forgets about that promise? No. It just grows stronger. It was crucial to him; especially right at the beginning of it all.
And for Felicity Smoak it is an absolute - a requisite - STRONGER than his need to protect Thea.
He grew to accept at the end of season 3 - after choosing for her for most of the season - that Thea’s life was her own, that her actions were her own, her body was her own to throw it onto fire if she wanted to.
He’d hate it… but he’d get it.
He can’t do that with Felicity because she’s his cornerstone.
Even after they broke up, even months later with this distance between them, she’s still the person who balances his world, who gives him structure.
When she first joined the team, she enabled his night work in a way he didn’t think possible and she was as safe as he could make her. Behind her computers. In HIS Foundry. Perfect.
She was where he could keep an eye on her and control how deep into the life she was. In fact she only ever touched close to danger when she was in the field, which was few and far between for this exact reason.
Even when she opted – even
when it was her choice – Oliver (and by extension Dig) only agreed when they
could control the danger level.
But even then, things can still go wrong.
The problem is that Felicity
has always been just as ‘in deep’ as the boys.
But she’s their precious gem: their lucky charm. Their lighthouse, their way home. The heart of the team.
What happens when a lighthouse goes dark?
The way home – your eyes –
You loose sight of reality.
It was taken for granted, Felicity’s natural light. Her faith. He thought if he left it alone, it was stay exactly as it was…
The light on Oliver’s path – as pitiful and as small, as narrow and filled with thorns and without forks and choices as that way has become – was, in his head, taken fully away in episode 19. He was left asunder and confused.
Adrift. Lost at sea…. he’s already lost at sea.
He was lost at sea for years until he chose to stay away from Starling (I prefer the name Starling City to Star City btw).
After his return, she became his anchor. Slowly.
Moment by moment.
Until she became irreplaceable.
And he didn’t realise just how deep that went… until he broke her heart. Until she left him. Alone.
They’re as alone as each other. Even when they’re with others. Even in a crowd. Even as they reached out to others, romantically or otherwise and it didn’t heal them.
Case in point: look at where they are right now. He thinks he’s a sociopathic serial killer and she’s willing to destroy her life to bring down the man who made him feel that way.
She is doing for Oliver what Oliver did for Thea in season 3.
All she’s asking is for him to let her.
But he can’t.
He promised Dig he’d protect her. Just her.
Not Laurel or Thea or Sara or anyone else, not even Dig… Felicity was the one whom he’d never have twisted. The one neither of them could or would sacrifice. IRREPLACEABLE.
Most importantly, he can’t have her become him. He’s been protecting her from that since day 1: he can’t fathom its possibility.
Oliver has paid a lot of prices, sacrificed so much of himself. And he’s lost things and people.
Her soul is the one price too high to pay.
Yet Oliver feels like everything he has touched, every person who’s into contact with him, has suffered because of him.
And now? …He feels what’s she doing with helix, how she’s behaving is because of him. A darkness that never comes out created by him. To Oliver, he has created this path of a deepening darkness for the woman he loves. Now he has to put up with what she’s been putting up with for years. And he doesn’t like it.
Drink it is:
Like a husband who’s argued with his wife, had his words royally and correctly thrown back at him and in the dog house. Big time!
What Oliver doesn’t realise is that light can alter over time. It can grow warmer or more distinct. Stronger. Can shift and shine a new way. A better way. A softer way. Some lights can draw weaker ones out and strengthen them.
Has anyone noticed the increased use of both purple and green this year on Arrow? Oliver’s and Felicity’s colours.
Not a coincidence.
When he sees her for who she really is, when he finds out how her view of him – in walking in his shoes – has changed, has grown, when he discovers that his confession doesn’t have the affect on her he thought it would, when she actually gives him a new and brighter understanding of herself… he’ll see her light for what it is. For the beauty in it. And he’ll love her all the more for it.
I think he’s going to tell her – when their air is ruining out, whilst he’s hurt and she’s defenceless – his painful truth and he’ll be waiting for the worse case scenario reaction from her.
And… I feel like he’s going to be given the shock of his life. Or something to that affect. (Am I just desperate?)
Whatever happens, it’ll make him view her as an equal in every sense of the term – he thought he already did, but there was still that last layer of bubble wrap for him/her to pop.
And in walking in her shoes – in trying to move on, in watching her make the hard choices and being powerless to stop her, in being on the other side of the fence and being the one who doesn’t get listened to – his understanding and already super high regard for her will shoot past the stratosphere.
Like Wendy said:
“She’s been through something now, and she sees him in a different light — and he also sees her in a different light. There’s a lot more mutual understanding, and even though I think it’s hard to top the mutual respect they already have for each other, that goes up as well.”
Won’t be surprised if they leave the bunker shooting each other awed, heart-eyed looks and thinking ‘wow’.
Remember the song?
I am so sorry
that I bothered you
Now I know why you have to hide
I didn’t know what you were going through
All I could see was my own sign
I will just fade away
I will let you be here
I won’t say a word until you come to me
Until you come to me
Until you come to me
They just tell me what you’re in there for
How could I know you did not say?
But now I know what I am living for
Tomorrow will be just another day
I will close my eyes
And I hear a quiet peep
I will wait in the shadows until you come to me
Until you come to me
Until you come to me, oh
Ah, sweet youth will all too quickly end
And we will never be this free
So all I ask is that we look again
Before we grow too old to see
I will fall alone
My elm was sweet and envy
Still I will be crying until you come to me
Until you come to me
Until you come to me, ah
Understanding. Readiness. Love. Trust. Heart.
I’ll be waiting for you. Until you come to me.
It’s a mutual thing (though I do think this refers to Felicity more than Oliver).
And then it’ll be almost as easy as falling, his new ideal. I think she’ll give him a new point of view. Or, at the very least, a way to see it differently.
Very soon they’ll be ready for each other. The right fit.
A hero for a hero.
She has to open the door but he needs to make her want to first. Strip each other down to the core.
And, come 5.22 (?) he needs step on through it all on his own.
They’re going to fall in sync.
And by 5.23 we’re finally going to breathe that breath of sweet relief.