Watch Magdalen Berns. 1) Intersex = abnormality. It leans closer to male/female (ex. micro penis). Abnormalities = outliers, faulty to its purpose: reproduction. Btw intersex don't ID as genderspecial, cis do. 2) Hormones =/= sex (No 'brain sex,' please. It's empirical). "Two genders" = cis/trans. 3) Sexism is because of perception. If raised as a man, one has entitlement from birth, unlike women. This is where violence/etc. comes in. This = TERFs' issue. Btw the guy behind "gender" was abusive!
Yeah, see, I was assuming you were a TERF the whole time, but I didn’t want to say it, because I had hope you were genuinely curious instead of a hopeless bigot, but nope! I guess I should have gone with my gut feeling.
[For my readers’ sake in case you somehow don’t know this yet: TERFs are Trans-Exclusionary “Radical” “““““Feminists”””””, and I’m not using these ironic quotes for no reason. As someone else coined, they’re doing the work of the patriarchy and branding it feminism more often than not, all in the name of equating women to their uteruses so they can exclude trans women from the spaces they need and deserve.]
Just for the record before I start: I won’t be replying to any further message from you, because I honestly don’t feel like giving TERFs a platform even if it’s just long enough to refute your points. So don’t bother sending more. I’m only posting this one (and therefore bothering to argue back) because I want to make it clear that TERFs are not welcome here.
I don’t even know where to start. But hey, you listed them with handy numbers, let’s do that.
- Sorting people as “abnormalities”? Because there’s nothing more scientific than saying everything that doesn’t fit your bias is just wrong, right? It’s not like the “norm” isn’t in and of itself something we as a society decided upon (social constructs! They’re everywhere!)
“Intersex don’t ID as genderspecial” [I had to look that up, because I guess TERFs had to come up with another term once tucute was thoroughly ridiculed] is…not even a debunking of my point? I only pointed out intersex people exist as a debunking of the sex binary, not the gender binary.
As for saying that the purpose of gender and/or sex is reproduction: wow, way to really fail to earn that F in the TERF acronym, right? Because there’s nothing more feminist than reducing people (especially women) into their sex organs!
- Hormones isn’t sex? Okay. So you’re telling me that, as a cis man, if I go to a doctor, they won’t assume that I have high levels of testosterone and low levels of estrogen? I’m not saying hormones alone define sex. Then again, I am saying we need to move away from sex as a notion altogether and start talking about the specifics of what is relevant to any given conversation. So really, I’m wondering if you’re not just regurgitating talking points.
“Brain sex”? Where did I use that? That’s an obsolete theory and it’s one that enforces the gender binary and sexist gender roles by saying that the “male” and “female” brain are fundamentally different. Of course I’m not defending that theory.
“Two genders = cis/trans”…um. I’m starting to feel you don’t even know what gender is on a colloquial level. Are you saying a cis man and a cis woman have the same gender?
- Ah, the good old “trans women have male privilege”. I mean, I didn’t even bring it up anywhere, but sure, I’ll be happy to address it while I’m at it.
Trans women don’t have male privilege while in the closet, anymore than a gay person who’s in the closet has straight privilege. They’re in the closet. There’s a reason the closet is considered a bad place to be. Does a closeted trans woman face different forms of violence as a cis woman, or as a trans woman who’s out and presents as a woman? Well, yeah, of course. But it doesn’t mean they face none at all, or that they have privilege.
And then we devolve into “the guy behind ‘gender’ was abusive” which…I don’t even know how to properly refute. I mean, gender has been a grammatical notion since…I don’t know, forever? I assume you mean the person who coined gender as a part of a person’s identity (if there even is a singular person who did that, which again, I highly doubt, seeing as the notion derived from grammar), but even then, it’s not like gender didn’t exist beforehand. We didn’t suddenly start identifying as male and female (and eventually as other genders) because one guy said we should.
Besides, you know,  and all.
tl;dr I’m not interested in debating TERFs, you can go away and never come back, please and thank you, bye. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.