i am not a good enough feminist

Does the sun ask itself, “Am I good? Am I worthwhile? Is there enough of me?” No, it burns and it shines. Does the sun ask itself, “What does the moon think of me? How does Mars feel about me today?” No it burns, it shines. Does the sun ask itself, “Am I as big as other suns in other galaxies?” No, it burns, it shines.
—  Andrea Dworkin, Our blood: prophecies and discourses on sexual politics (1976)

According to wiki Simon plans on taking Isabelle’s last name when they get married. I am equal parts glad Izzy is keeping the Lightwood name, that Simon gets to help further the Lightwood line, and that Simon is comfortable enough taking his wife’s last name as his own (as he should be but it’s not something all men would do). Can we all agree Izzy and Simon are both feminist badasses??

Also, Simon Lightwood does have a nice ring to it.

Ok I have lots of thoughts about that episode:
1) I could watch cheerleader Waverly for approximately 1728392y3828 hours
2) revised my earlier theory… waves isn’t helping doc, she’s obv hoarding shiny things like a weird Dragon
3) Waverly not remembering gooverly moments is critical
4) where the fuck did dolls come from in that last scene? Why was he in the barn w Waverly?
5) I am SO HERE for feminist Nicole becoming badass sheriff. That moment between them was so fucking amazing

I literally have 1000 things to write here but my brain is too ecstatic to focus enough to write them all down

Holy shit this show is so good… next week is gonna fuckin rock

Barbie says I have a sixteen inch waist Barbie says What?

What’s that you say? How did I get my sixteen inch waist?

Well, I removed two ribs, a kidney, and half of my intestines- 

but don’t worry, Barbie says, I donated my kidney.

Barbie says Look. At. My. Neck. Isn’t it long isn’t it thin Ken loves

to see all that skin Barbie says My neck can’t hold the weight of my head up so I lean on Ken’s shoulder 

Isn’t that romantic ?

Barbie says You want to know how I maintain my figure?
Barbie says I practice breatharianism! Plants are alive and humans are alive and I am mostly sort of barely alive plants survive on light and air, so why can’t I survive on light and air?

Barbie says When I look in the mirror, all I see are my bright white teeth and double d tits!

Barbie says I am the embodiment of the phrase top-heavy and I am proud of it.  

Barbie says Don’t tell Ken, but my back hurts all the time, she says The weight of silicone drags me down 

but you know what they say! No pain, no gain! Barbie says My wrists are three point five inches 

Barbie says Well, no, I can’t lift anything, but that’s hardly the point- Ken loves it. Barbie says Men looove a helpless woman.

Barbie says Ken broke up with me

- am I not good enough? Barbie says I changed myself for him, I killed myself for him, when I look into the mirror I can’t see me.

Barbie says There’s nobody to be beatiful for,

Barbie says It’s getting hard to breathe,

Barbie says I don’t remember how to love myself

anymore.

I need to rant

I watch Supergirl, Flash and Arrow and recommended all three for my boyfriend to watch too.  He watched Arrow and Flash on his own time and we watch Supergirl together.

He’s not completely caught up on all of them, (I am,) but yesterday we had an hour long conversation about the shows (mainly Supergirl), the storylines, the characters, etc.

We both loved Supergirl season 1.  We loved sassy and feminist icon Cat Grant putting everyone in their place, loved Kara’s character development, Alex and Kara sister bonding, grumpy space dad, Winn, James, everything.

And then there’s season 2.  

I talked it up because I love lesbian Alex, I love the introduction of M’gann and I absolutely fucking LOVE the addition of Lena Luthor.  I did warn him about the lack of character development for Kara and the unnecessary addition of Mon-El.  

While watching season 2, he immediately picked up on Lena’s obvious love for Kara.  That’s a no brainer, and truly, HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE IT?

We also discussed Mon-El and how he truly did NOT contribute anything meaningful to the first half of season 2.  He ate up screentime from other characters, (especially Alex and Maggie.  They could have explored so much more in Alex coming into her sexuality, she went from questioning, to acknowledging, to full on being totally in it.  Instead of giving Alex and Maggie five minutes an episode, cut the stereotypical white male love interest and give that story line the depth and attention it DESERVES.)

Now that we are on the second half of season 2, my boyfriend has recognized the reason behind Mon-El’s behavior, (him acting like an actual five-year-old because he ‘LIKES’ Kara.) We both think it’s stupid, but it’s more understandable.  

HOWEVER.

We both agreed that the show is about KARA.  It’s called Supergirl for fucks sake.  Her character has remained stagnant, her story line relying on Mon-El for content.  Her anger, her loss, her want for an identity on Earth, (all these beautiful things they began touching on in season 1) are all gone. Replaced by her, ‘training’ her new student, her getting a love interest, (who, while he has moments of seeming decent, does not listen, has a horrific past of being an abusive, misogynistic slave owner, and overall, is NOT a healthy relationship for Kara.)  

Kara has not grown in this season.  Glimmers of development like addressing her abandonment issues starting with Winn, James, and Alex keeping the Guardian secret, Alex starting to spend more time with Maggie, and the rift caused by Jeremiah’s homecoming.  But that was over before it even started,

Then there is the Super + Luthor relationship that had the ability to blossom and grow throughout the season where the big bad is, (should be? I don’t honestly even know at this point with all the Daxam bullshit,) Cadmus, aka Lena’s MOM.  

(Also to mention Lena is a wonderfully complex character with endless possibilities exploring how she was raised, how that affects her now, what kind of issues does she have from that?  I feel like her and Kara have so many similarities in what they have lost, they only difference being that Kara does have family and friends that genuinely love her.  Lena’s character just keeps getting put in shitty situations that are emotionally scarring.  Leave the poor girl ALONE. Give her some HAPPINESS.)

@ CW.  No one asked for Supergirl to be turned into a teen drama with the good-looking bad boy swooping in to save the day.  

Literally did not ask.

In conclusion, 

Develop your god damn characters.

Give the season a fucking coherent story line.

Give us our feminist, girl-power show back.

(and no, calling an episode, “Nevertheless, She Persisted” and putting Kara in a Girl Power sweater is not enough.)

Reasons to read The Dream Thieves it has quotes like this

  • Boys like him didn’t die; they got bronzed and installed outside public libraries
  • My sense of self-worth isn’t tied into my occupation.
  • If you never saw the stars, candles were enough.
  • “Did something … happen to you?
    “What? Oh. No. Does there have to be a reason? The answer’s just no! Isn’t that good enough?”
  • When he dreamt like this, he was a king. The world was his to bend. His to burn.
  • While I’m gone dream me the world. Something new for every night.

Also has quotes like

  • I would’ve thought you had more muscles. Don’t feminists have big muscles?
  • You’d talk about this with your grandmother? I cannot possibly imagine discussing my dating life with mine. She’s a lovely woman, I suppose. If you like them bald and racist.
  • One of you two Poverty Twins should touch it
  • You’re a bastard, and this doesn’t seem like a typical bastard activity.
  • I am being perfectly fucking civil

tofugoddess  asked:

What in your opinion are the upsides and downsides to both radical feminist theory and Marxist feminist theory? :)

THIS IS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION THANK YOU (as always i apologize for the hella long response)

First, i want to start off by saying that I would really define marxist feminism as kind of a sub-category of radical feminism. There is just such a tremendous overlap in theory, and quite a few radical feminists were also socialists, and vice versa. The real difference is kind of the plan-of-action, the ‘how to actually concretely fight the patriarchy’ part, and then kind of the in-practice cultures of marxist feminism and radical feminism.

I also wanna say that, in a perfect world, marxist feminist is a redundant phrase. Marx, Engels, Lenin and Zetkin all agreed that women’s rights must be part of a socialist program, without it you do not have socialism. That Marxism makes feminism unnecessary, because socialism is already fighting for equal rights for all, power to the people, no worker’s voice is stronger than another’s. There are many women marxists who do believe it is redundant and so they don’t apply the feminist label to themselves, Not because they are at all anti-feminist, and not out of condemnation to feminists of any kind, but because they see their ideas both as encompassing of the women’s struggle and not inclusive at all to the bourgeois feminist movement. If that makes sense. Anyway, I call myself a Marxist feminist because I don’t wish to distance myself from feminism, especially on this site, because I want to engage feminists and i want other feminists to see that we have ideas in common immediately, without me having to explain several marxist pillars. 

Both marxist and radical feminism look at the roots of womens oppression, they both analyze the social contexts in which patriarchy exists, and both recognize that femininity and masculinity are not innate, biological facts but culturally relative tools of oppression. 

So- the major pillars (or what I think they are) of radical feminism are included in marxism/marxist feminism. They differ then, in how we must dismantle the patriarchy. It has never been clear to me what the plan is in radical feminism. As far as I have been able to tell, its just analysis and like, growing consciousness or awareness at the socialization we as women experience. Or I have also seen separatism as a way to escape patriarchy. But otherwise, just suggestions of donating time and money to women’s shelters and charities, but none of these things actually change the system, none will deliver that huge blow that will take patriarchy down for good. If there is a radical feminist that knows differently, please do comment! I am not the most well-read person on the subject, so I could be wrong and just haven’t learned what that plan is yet. But yeah, as far as I know, that’s the plan.

The ultimate goal of marxism is to establish socialism. The idea behind marxism is that society changes when the people’s relationship to the means of production changed, and this is confirmed by what we know of archaeological history. When private property was first developed as a concept (and there was enough surplus from what people were producing to claim ownership on things) that was when women’s oppression began. Prior to that, there was what we call primitive communism, where resources were shared because there was not enough to go around anyway- communism for survival. There were divisions of labor between the sexes in most primitive communist societies (the whole hunter-gatherer idea) but there is a lot of evidence that these divisions were hardly strict, and not as pervasive as once thought. Then of course, under feudalism slavery was developed, and then later, with the transition to capitalism, racism really took hold. (there is a LOT of debate about when racism really ‘began’- but it did more or less coincide with the transition from feudalism to capitalism i believe.)

Sorry, that background was necessary. Basically, social relations in society change when the economics of society change.  Marxists then apply that idea to the future of humankind as well. They say, well if we want to dismantle these systems of oppression -sexism, racism, homophobia, ableism, etc) we have to change the relationship of the people to the means of production. We have to dismantle capitalism, and establish socialism. Giving women economic equality is the first step to dismantling patriarchy, and that cannot be done under capitalism. 

Now of course, no marxist/marxist feminist believes that all we need to do is have a socialist revolution and then Boom, we r done. After all, we still have the oppression of women, something that could have been dismantled with the transition from feudalism to capitalism, but wasn’t. There needs to be active intervention to ensure women’s equality under socialism after the revolution. After the Russian Revolution (which celebrates its 100th anniversary this year, and started with a women’s strike 100 years ago this wednesday!) there were programs established that gave access to free childcare, healthcare, contraception was legalized, it was easier for women to get divorced, women were given the right to vote and equal status to men was given immediately, and at one point the sciences had an equal representation of women- even almost tipping to give women a majority. This was the nation engaged in the space race with the US, remember. (I dont want to sound like I am in anyway romanticizing the USSR and I absolutely am NOT a Stalinist, but they got a couple things right in the early days and those are worth pointing out).

So that is what I consider the ‘upside’ to marxist feminism, or the ‘downside’ to radical feminism. WOW OK ALMOST THERE STAY WITH ME YALL.

The other way in which radical feminism and marxist feminism differ is the communities. Marxism is dominated by men. So fucking dominated by men. i have found a leftist group that is very welcoming, aware of women’s oppression, and I feel very comfortable speaking up in the group- but I am the ‘token’ female, the only one. And this is not just my group, but the national and international organizations my group belongs to. There’s an LGBT Rights pamphlet but they really only talk about the G and the T. And I do know it isn’t out of maliciousness, I have met the guy who wrote that pamphlet. Its just. Out of sight out of mind. The representation of women is just appallingly low. They are aware of it and really do want to change it, they are working on making women’s issues more prominent in discussions, making their spaces more welcoming to women, etc. But at the moment, my sex sometimes can feel like a burden, or extra responsibility. Like I have to represent an entire half of the world by myself. There isnt really a ‘marxist feminist’ community, just marxists.

In radical feminist circles, obviously it is men who are the minority if they are at all present. Its a very different community than marxism. Obviously it’s not perfect, there are issues that the radfem community needs to work out, but I appreciate things like how open i can be about my menstrual cycle, I can vent about men a little more viciously than i would with my male comrades- though they are pretty accepting of anti-men rants, I gotta say. It’s just nice to talk to women and the culture in radical feminism is just- being a woman and an asshole is more acceptable lol. I don’t have to be on my tiptoes with what words I use. I am not even sure how to explain it tbh. 

So that’s the upside of radical feminism/ the downside of marxism. I talked about a ton of different stuff and touched on a lot more things, so if you or anyone wants to ask me any follow up q’s i welcome asks. anon is always on. sorry for the essay.

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These are some more of the patches I printed and added to my Etsy shop recently. All of the patches shown here are printed from my own hand drawn artwork with feminist messages and cats! I’m really happy with how the “My Body My Choice” cat came out, since it was inspired by my beloved Zeppy.

The dress patches are supposed to say “My clothes DO NOT determine my consent no means no” but didn’t come out good enough to sell. I only have eight and I am going to be giving them away to the first eight people to purchase feminist patches from my shop (this includes my Riot Grrrl hearts and other embroidered patches).

I am not a feminist

I am not a feminist even though my dad is an abusive, manipulative, man cunt. Because I’m not dumb enough to think all fathers or men like that. My mom’s boyfriend is a better father than my biological one.

I wish I could just never have to talk to my dad sometimes. I know I have to, because he feels so bad that he acted that way and he “swears he’s changed”. And then a month or two pass and suddenly everything good from those past couple months is thrown out the damn window.

But I don’t say all fathers should get their special day taken away just because mine is shitty. You have to be an absolute fucking retard to believe all men are like that one guy you hate. No matter if it’s a brother, an ex boyfriend, a father, or a grandfather.

Feminism and BLM are currently just for a bunch of irresponsible ppl who want to blame everything on straight cis white men.

Yo. There are people out there who actually know Zendaya? Like people who get to witness her being the queen she is? I can’t even fathom being in the same country as this kick-ass feminist, hella talented, hella beautiful woman with strong stances on major issues and no qualms with standing up for herself and anyone who needs it, let alone being in the same room as her? The only thing I have going for me is good taste in women bc she set the standard, ya know?

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Beeing friends with the Mikaelsons is not easy. All the fights and enemies make it hard to survive. But at the same time you could'nt think of any better family to be friends with. Altough this friendship did cost you your humanity. Now your have to fight to survive another day. And Elijah is teaching you.

You get ready for the fight and get in position. Elijah is preparing as well. You swing your fist back to get the best speed out of the hit. Your fist rams forward in direction of Elijahs torso. Just before it hits him, he catches your fist.

Elijah : “As a devout feminist I refuse to say you hit like a girl.”

Y/N: "Well that´s maybe because I AM a girl.“

Elijah: “That does not mean that you have to hit like one. Now let´s do this again.”

His words made you slightly angry and you get back into position.

After a hour, give or take, you made slight progress. You prepare again.

You hit another time, but Elijah still catches your arm.

Elijah: “Not good enough, again.”

You break free of his grip in a turn and catch him by his collar with your arm and slam him against the nearby wall with all your strength. He looks surprised and defeated but also proud.

Y/N: “So much for not good enough, huh?” *Smirk*

Marina and the Diamonds songs for the types

INTJ: “I know exactly what I want and who I want to be, I know exactly why I walk and talk like a machine.” - Oh No!
INTP: “Can you teach me how to feel real? Can you turn my power off?” - I am Not a Robot
ENTJ: “You can’t have peace without a war.” - Power and Control
ENTP: “Gimme love, gimme dreams, give me a good self-esteem!“ - Blue

INFJ: “You bought a star in the sky tonight, and in your man-made dark the light inside you died.” - Buy the Stars
INFP: “Like the land joining the sea… Happiness, it followed me.” - Happy
ENFJ: “But if the earth ends in fire and the seas are frozen in time, there’ll be just one survivor - the memories of our lifetime.” - Immortal
ENFP: “Do you really want me to write a feminist anthem?” - Can’t Pin Me Down

ISTJ: “Ever since I can remember, life was like a tipping scale, like an abacus I played with, counting every win and fail.“ - Forget
ISFJ: “Do you think you will be good enough to love others and to be loved?” - Mowgli’s Road
ESTJ: “I’m not the only one who finds it hard to understand, I’m not afraid of God - I am afraid of Man.” - Savages
ESFJ: “You never told me what it was that made you strong and what it was that made you weak.“ - Obsessions

ISTP: “Drinking champagne, a bottle to myself, savor the taste of fabricated wealth.” - Shampain
ISFP: “Hollywood infected your brain, you wanted kissing in the rain.” - Hollywood
ESTP: “Life gave me some lemons, so I made some lemonade.” - Bubblegum Bitch
ESFP: “All I ever wanted was the world.” - Primadonna

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Not good enough even for sexual harassment (OR: The privilege of being "ugly" in society's eye)

“…It was weird and shameful, wanting to be harassed. But if felt that the fact men almost never harassed me in the “I am flirting with you” way meant I was “ugly”. Which, in a way, was true…”

I started writing this, with the feeling that many feminist people will be angry at me for writing something like this, but my friends essurred me that it probably won’t be the case.

So, here you go.

Debunking the Alt Right: MRAs and Feminism

This is just a very obvious one, less of a singular point and more of a broad notion but I think this indicative of the larger mindset of the Alt Right….actually no, this is a mindset of the right, I’m just using MRAs as an example because they are ludicrously easy to disprove.  They will talk a great deal about how feminists say this or what beliefs feminists have or how feminists are totally planning to do this or that and how they oppose feminism ideologically.  And then you ask them about specifics and surprise surprise…they can’t name anything other than a few quotes that they saw spread around the internet, and maybe they can name check the SCUM Manifesto.   They don’t know anything about feminism, they don’t don’t know the history, they can’t name any of the major feminist figures and thinkers except maybe Anita Sarkessian.  If you name any of the major feminist writings, essays, theories, terminology, or even fucking basic tenants.  They might say “I oppose second wave or third wave” feminism but they don’t really understand how those movements emerged, who were some of the major thinkers, where they disagreed with each other, what cultural/historical context they emerged in, or even anything more than a single dismissive sentence.  

Gee, its almost like MRAs are just trying to find an excuse to hate women and aren’t an actual valid movement at all but nothing more than a hate group, who would have fucking thought. 

   ANy time you press these people on these issues, they will fucking fold.  THey will spend pages explaining why they shouldn’t have to answer that question, why they don’t need to understand something to oppose something, they might murmur something about how you can oppose the Nazis without reading Mein Kampf, and then get really huffy that you expect them to actually understand something that they oppose.  Then they will slink off going ‘Why would I want to read something written by a bunch of bitches saying how men are evil hur hur” and then they go away.  Tehse are the same people by the away who whine and moan about how universities don’t teach MRA subjects and act surprised when nobody who actually studies any of their subjects take them seriously.  Like when they are like “Oh feminism comes from cultural marxism” and anybody who is remotely educated on the subject points out that the movement existed before Marx was born they just kinda flounder because they don’t fucking know.  Because again, this isn’t an ideology, this is a prejudice that they are painting an ideology over and pretending it is legitimate.

      Just to give an example of what actual grown ups do when it comes to their ideologies, as I have made clear before I don’t like Marxism, in fact my very first Debunking wasn’t against the Alt Right, but Marxist political theory.  But I understand what Marxism actually is and specifically what it is not.  I’ve read most of the major Marxist texts, I am familiar with Marxist thinkers, philosophers, politicians, artists, theorists, and economics.  I can explain Party Vanguardism, Proletariat of the Masses, what Marx’s definition of Capital is, and the Marxist interpretation of historical progress.  I can tell you what the difference is between a Trotsist, Stalinist, and Maoist, and I can tell you how Leninism differed from Marxist Orthodoxy.  So when I say “Hey I think Marxism doesn’t serve as a good foundation of goverment” I knwo what I am bloody talking about.  This is also true of Objectivism, despite being the literal worse thing ever made by a Human, I fucking read Atlas Shrugged and so there is literally no reason why these lazy fucks can’t read some basic fucking feminist criticism.

   As a rule, if something is studied in universities and people spend their lives talking about it, a random meme online is unlikely to provide you with enough information to make an informated rejection of it.  Except for Post Modernist Philosophy 

[TAKE AWAY MOMENTS FROM SO SAD TODAY]

“Babies are born, because parents feel that they themselves are not enough.”

"I am an eater who got into a car accident with my father’s car because I was pouring artificial sweetener into a container of cottage cheese and ran a red light […] I am an eater who is a horrible feminist, probably. I dream of what I works eat if I identified as a man and it looks vastly different from what I eat as a woman […] But I am an eater who is a good feminist, maybe, because I am being honest with you now.”

"God, for me, is more of a feeling, a feeling of peace. I think my god lives in a silence that exists inside me. It’s such a delicious fucking silence, so profound. But this can also get tricky, because if I’m feeling crazy then I’m like, Where the hell is god? Has god abandoned me? Like, no peace, no god. But it’s still better then some bro deity telling me I’m a piece of shit.”

"So, the Internet has destroyed my attention span to to the extent that I can no longer email.”

"I am very loyal to my fantasies.”

"I don’t want to be sad. Or, I want to be sad about the things that I choose to be sad about. But I guess that is not how life works.”

I’m so sick of pandering to men with my feminism. Nothing I do is ever good enough. I say “we fight against circumcision,” and they expect me to be accountable for the feminists who don’t.

I say “male victims of rape are even less likely to come forward than women and that culture needs to change” and they want me to answer for the people who say men can’t be raped.

I say “the expectation that men cannot be emotional is cruel. We need to fight for their right to feel something besides anger” and I am asked to answer for the women who want to date tough guys.

They say “what about false rape accusations.” And when I respond with facts and figures that prove that false rape allegations are no more prevalent than false allegations in any other crime, I am sneered at with derision.

I am asked to answer for the sins of all women while they cry #notallmen. I spend more time soothing men that we fight for them too than I do speaking in support of my sisters and I’m finished.

I will no longer try to fit their mold of acceptable feminism when it turns out that mold does not exist.

I will not try to be a respectable feminist for one more day. They are not the gatekeepers of acceptable activism. They will always shout us down because they do not want equality.

They DO NOT WANT EQUALITY. These people who try to gate keep what is acceptable from activists against sexism and racism and homophobia, they don’t want a respectable activist. They want a silent activist. They don’t want equality because equality is a threat to their privilege.

  • Feminists: Female Antifems just look for male approval!
  • Me: Ah, yes. Male approval. I need it so much that I won't go to classes without first getting the approval of at least 5 men that my outfit is good enough. I'll even ask 3 men to approve each of my thoughts before I voice them. I really need male approval!!! Like, really bad! Without it... I might die. I will shrivel up into nothingness just because a man didn't give me his approval. PLEASE GIVE ME APPROVAL! I am incapable of having my own opinions, thoughts, and feelings!! Please men help me! APPROVE OF ME!!!!!
Worst Case Scenarios

You know: There is power in being a pessimist sometimes.

The week since Hillary Clinton lost the election, to a man whose name I still have trouble saying aloud, has been painful in the extreme for a lot of people. “I’m still coping with this. I feel like I always will be,” a young guy told me on Twitter. I keep seeing women, in particular, write about how they’re crying every day, grieving as if they’ve lost a friend. Some admit they’ve been “drunk for a week.”

It’s not that I don’t feel this. I was the one to announce Trump’s win to my friends at our election party. We’d all started out laughing, and then gotten quieter and quieter. In the end, I just looked up from my phone and said well, CNN is projecting Trump for Wisconsin, so it does appear that he has won. My voice was deep and flat, and I didn’t cry. I didn’t feel much at all. We filed out in silence. My mother called me while I was in the cab. This is just how it is for women, huh?  This is how it always is, I said. She told me this was a temporary setback. I didn’t believe her, but I also didn’t argue. I got into bed, still wearing the off-white sweater I’d thrown on at the last minute to commemorate the day — there were so many conflicting plans, with the pantsuits, and the suffragette white; the white was more #problematic, but at least I had something lying around the house — and watched the results on Twitter until I fell asleep. When I woke up, I peeled the “I Voted” sticker off my sweater.

Taking the sticker off. That was when I cried.  

So I let myself cry a bit. I took a day to feel hopeless and petty. Maybe, next time, I just won’t vote unless there’s a woman on the ticket! Maybe, for the rest of my life, I’ll only vote for women! How’s that, huh? But that lasted for about five minutes. You don’t vote for yourself; you vote for your fellow citizens, especially those who are worse off. You can’t throw the entire country under a bus just because you got your feelings hurt. That was why I hated the fucking Berners so much, because they didn’t get that. I couldn’t repeat their mistake.

I’m actually pretty good in a worst-case scenario, believe it or not. 

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